The Best Church for You - By Brother James L. Melton

[homwardbound]

Again Homwardbound, not only was the original Hebrew and Greek texts inerrant and perfect, but so is the English Bible which we have today, which is the King James Authorized Version.




Okay, I get the picture and understanding from reading the text here of what it is trying to get across, but remember Homwardbound, Satan is subtil, he will give you 90 to 98% truth and then bring in his lies, because that way, he can deceive more people. Rat poison is about 98-99% good, edible food with about 1% or less poison in it.





Yep that's perfect. That is exactly how the text reads. It is talking about how when a person get's saved, he is now a new creature in Christ Jesus. He is a changed person. And the ministry of reconciliation is basically going out and witnessing to the lost. And getting them saved by the preaching of the Gospel. Hence we have the ministry of reconciliation. And we also have the word of reconciliation since God hath committed it unto us. Therefore we are now ambassadors for the Lord Jesus Christ and whatsoever we do, we should do it to glorify Him and to we should do it to the glory of God.




Well, I can still get the meaning of what the passage is trying to say. But there is one issue I have here, and that is they remove the phrase: "if any man be in Christ." They changed it to "when a man becomes a new creature in Christ." You see, now it is a process. Now is sanctification a process? Absolutely. But the real Bible says: Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new (2 Cor. 5:17). In other words, the man is automatically a new creature. And of course, he will still struggle in the flesh as we know Paul did (See Romans 7), but the point here is, the text doesn't say when a man becomes a new creature in Christ. The true text says, If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature.





There is also an issue here Homwardbound, they alter the text again. And they alter it greatly. Notice the previous example which I gave you. The Scriptures declare that if a person is in Christ, then they are a new creature. The Message translation does not say "In Christ." The Message says "and we see that anyone united with the Messiah." So no longer does someone have to be in Christ, they just have to be united with Him. That may not seem like a big change to you Homwardbound, but it is a big change in terms of Doctrine.


Now in a sense are we united with Christ? Well in a way you could consider that to be so, but still that is not what the Bible says. The Bible teaches that if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature.

When a person gets saved, two main miraculous things happen at once. 1) That person is baptized into the Body of Christ and becomes bone of His bone and flesh of His flesh. (See 1 Corinthians 12:12-14, 27 & Ephesians 5:30). And 2) That person is sealed with the Holy Spirit of God unto the Day of Redemption ( See Ephesians 1:13 and also Ephesians 4:30).

So when the Message translation changes the phrase: "If any man be in Christ" to "anyone united with Christ" they are changing important Bible Doctrine. Okay? You have to be in Christ to be His.



Well again, I can see the overall message even in the NLT but the point is, it is not as strong as the King James Bible.


It is so watered down, I mean when you read these new and modern translations, it doesn't even sound like your reading the Bible! Well that's because the modern translations are false bibles. Remember they may have a lot of truth in them, but they do not have the whole truth.


Plus the NLT removes a biblical term like "Flesh." And replaces it with the term "Human." Human is not a Bible word. Human does not appear anywhere in the Authorized King James Bible.


Also, remember this verse Homwardbound:


A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. - Galatians 5:9 (Holy Bible)





Yes Homwardbound, that passage of Scripture is talking about our Spiritual condition and standing after we accept Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Saviour. That is what that passage of Scripture is teaching. It is teaching us that we are all one in Christ Jesus. That is our spiritual standing in Christ. So if a gentile gets saved, he is now a Christian. And if a Jew gets saved, he also is now a Christian. There is no distinction in the Church Age. But there will be a distinction in the time of Jacob's trouble. Which will take place after the Rapture of the Body of Christ.


Now Homwardbound, having addressed each of those responses of yours now, I want to show you some of the leaven and distortions of the Scriptures that are contained within the modern bible versions.

I know that you believe that KJV is an inerrant translation and I see you have gained much growth. Now is this growth here from God, or from this Bible translation? Waht I am saying who reveals the truth? The spirit or us as we read any translation?
How do we know truth by the spirit of God or by man's translations, and I think KJV version a good translation, but could not understand until God by the resurrected Christ showed me what born again is, that being dead to sin by Christ at the cross and risen to new life as Christ was risen, thus being born of the Spirit of God that was lost when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of evil. I call it evil only, because that is exactly what it is, the good part that people talk of is not good, that part masquerades as good, when as Christ said only God is good
Anyway, thanks for your side of what you see, it helps to us both to see truth, I just do not see any Bible translation as a perfect translation, for instance the word Church is not an original translation? Church means buildiing and this word Church was translated from the word Ecclesia, which means the called out ones, not building. And if one looks in Acts where Stephan was stoned to death by the clergy. Ask why they stoned him to death? Because he said God does not reside in buildings. Now Saul saw this Stephan go to his death willingly and say Father forgive them they do not know what they do.
Man over the years again interfers with God's full truth, setting up places to go and worship, using the word Church as if God today is going to be there if God were here on earth to day Hebrews 8:1-4 is the truth of where the true tabernacle is at and the reason God would not be in any worship service here today if God were here today in the flesh as he was back then, he was where? out in the highways and by ways. People weren't attending service they were wanting to go whereever Christ was at and hear him, see the miracles that was performed through him.
So what killed Christ? Was it possibly the flesh in concern worry over Job security? HMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no one going to service, no money, HMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we got to get rid of him you think.
Man has done his best to translate the word to keep a need in the laymen, so we have to go to a place and give.
Now I asked one time a Pastor that was great with the word, I asked are you getting paid? He said yes. I said will you go for the next year doing what you do now without pay? Well you might know the answer. And I am not saying that preachers do not have the right. I am saying the Gospel full has been hurt to the point that when I ask another laymen, Do you know what Christ did for you? The answer I usually get is yes, he died for me. I then ask what did his resurrection do? And ususlly most are stumped only having recieved a half sham Gospel, and still in need of life, which is proivided from God as a gift by the resurrection. Because without the resurrection we are to pitied of all people as Paul said in 1 cor 15
So the truth is out here in this world today, but not the whole truth, the full Gospel, I find most only focused on the death, and death is not life. The resurrection of christ is life and is not talked about enough to see what John 10:10 actually was meant by Christ, he came to give us life. How by the flesh? No by the resurrection where life is, in God in the Spirit of God. Born again, dead to sin and alive to God

 

[homwardbound]

Here is a serious error that is contained in the modern perversions.


Now I will first give you the true reading, the reading that is from God's perfect and infallible word, the King James Bible and then I will give you the readings that are in the modern perversions. Let's start with 1 Corinthians 1:18

1 Corinthians 1:18​

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

New International Version (©2011)
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

New Living Translation (©2007)
The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God.

English Standard Version (©2001)
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but it is God's power to us who are being saved.

International Standard Version (©2012)
For the message about the cross is nonsense to those who are being destroyed, but it is God's power to us who are being saved.

NET Bible (©2006)
For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
The message about the cross is nonsense to those who are being destroyed, but it is God's power to us who are being saved.

Now Homwardbound, question for you. What is different about the modern translations?

Are they saying the same thing?

Nope. The Modern Translations commit blasphemy in this verse. They change two doctrinal truths. Two important doctrinal truths are destroyed here in the modern perversions.

You say, what are they?

Well first, the modern translations say that it is the message that is foolishness to those who are lost. And that is complete blasphemy. And of course they are talking about the message of the Cross. Basically the message of the Gospel. That is one way that you can tell that these modern bible versions are NOT of the Lord.

The Bible says that it is the METHOD (which is preaching) that is considered foolishness to the lost. Not the MESSAGE. But it is the PREACHING of the Cross that is to them that perish foolishness. There is a difference.

You see Homwardbound, there is a lot more to this Bible Version Issue and Controversy than you may think. And the more deeper you study into the Bible Version Issue, you will find that out, just like I did. There are many doctrines that get changed and distorted in the modern bible versions. And this one here I just showed you is a very serious one.

Now notice the other thing that the modern versions change. Notice how the modern perversions remove PREACHING from their text. Now why is that? Well, maybe it is because the Devil hates preaching. I mean think about it Homwardbound, God chose Preaching as the method He would use to reconcile the lost to Himself. He ordained the preaching of the Cross, the preaching of the Gospel as His method of winning and gaining the lost. And because of this truth, the Devil hates and despises preaching. Hence, preaching is removed from this passage and some other passages as well. Now remember, the Devil is subtil, so he is not going to totally remove preaching from his modern bibles, but he will remove it in very important passages where it deals with and has to do with the cross.

No wonder there is not too much good sound Bible preaching anymore, because these days most of the mega and modern churches use the modern versions which take out Preaching!

These modern versions take out preaching from the Scripture in important passages like the one given above.

So again, it is not the Message that is considered foolishness. It is the Preaching that is considered foolishness to them that perish. In other words, it is the METHOD. And NOT THE MESSAGE!

And another thing that should be addressed is the change that the new versions make in regard to salvation. Notice they say "those that are BEING saved."

I thought Salvation was a one time event. I thought Salvation was instantaneous. Well, it is. But not according to the modern perversions.

Because they teach that we are BEING saved. It is no longer us which ARE Saved. Again, it is just another subtil change of an important doctrinal truth.

So the truth of the matter is that we ARE SAVED. We are NOT BEING SAVED, but we are saved.


And let's see, who teaches that salvation is a process? Oh yea, that's right, it is the Roman Catholic church that teaches that. Because they teach works salvation, which is also why they teach that you can lose your salvation. See how it all adds up? See how it is all connected together. How one heresy lines up with another heresy?

So not only do the modern perversions commit serious blasphemy in 1 Corinthians 1:18, but they also teach works salvation in the very same passage. And you guys wonder why I call these modern bible perversions Catholic bibles? Because they are Catholic bibles, they teach Catholic doctrine.

What stuck out to me here in your post was and is the differance in being Saved and are saved between the KjV and all the other translations
And I know when I have a glass of water in my hand it is pure water, and if I just add one drop of ink it is tainted. And thank you for this showing of what man has done over the years.
I have noticed a lot in reading differant translations and posts as well here that somehow the scripture seems to point to being saved after belief, When in Fact at belief we are saved God did this and gave this as free gift to us.
To me it is like a worm, I was once a worm crawling on the ground, grounded, not knowing that one day I would become a Butterfly and not be grounded anymore. Born again as a worm is and becomes a Butterfly.
You know after viewing this fact and seeing that by belief in Christ I am like this Butterfly born again. And as I watched the Butterfly I saw this Butterfly not always go the right places, or do the right things that got him captured or and killed. I suddenly realized that no matter what this Butterfly does, where it goes it will never ever be a worm again, it is born again. So I realized this and have been thankful to God ever since, so thankful, that I have had time to go into this world's traps
But I see from the translation changes what you are warning the beleiver about and how one takes their focus off of God and not know it trying to work at their salvation, instead of resting in it, where God past tense already did it all for us via the cross, and is meant for appreciation unto rest in God, No more stress, worry, fighting and arguements
Thanks for sharing

 

[ChosenbyHim]

What stuck out to me here in your post was and is the differance in being Saved and are saved between the KjV and all the other translations
And I know when I have a glass of water in my hand it is pure water, and if I just add one drop of ink it is tainted. And thank you for this showing of what man has done over the years.
I have noticed a lot in reading differant translations and posts as well here that somehow the scripture seems to point to being saved after belief, When in Fact at belief we are saved God did this and gave this as free gift to us.
To me it is like a worm, I was once a worm crawling on the ground, grounded, not knowing that one day I would become a Butterfly and not be grounded anymore. Born again as a worm is and becomes a Butterfly.
You know after viewing this fact and seeing that by belief in Christ I am like this Butterfly born again. And as I watched the Butterfly I saw this Butterfly not always go the right places, or do the right things that got him captured or and killed. I suddenly realized that no matter what this Butterfly does, where it goes it will never ever be a worm again, it is born again. So I realized this and have been thankful to God ever since, so thankful, that I have had time to go into this world's traps
But I see from the translation changes what you are warning the beleiver about and how one takes their focus off of God and not know it trying to work at their salvation, instead of resting in it, where God past tense already did it all for us via the cross, and is meant for appreciation unto rest in God, No more stress, worry, fighting and arguements
Thanks for sharing

Homwardbound, that was a really good example that you gave in regard to the glass of pure water, and that even one drop of ink can taint and contaminate the drinking water. And that is exactly what the modern versions do. You see; there will be truth in the modern versions but what makes it very deceptive is that the modern versions also contain lies and dangerous heresies. Like the one I showed you previously where the new versions teach works salvation.

And you are welcome Homwardbound, I am glad that I could be of help to you in regard to this very important issue. To God be all the glory. And I am glad that you have seen for yourself what the men behind these modern bible versions have done. And how they have distorted the pure Gospel. There are a lot of other serious doctrinal changes in the modern versions.



And yes; salvation is a finished work. Once you trusted and believed on Christ for your salvation Homwardbound, you were saved once and for all. You were baptized into the Body of Christ and you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of God. In Christianity it is Done. And in all the religions of the world, you know the false religions out there like Hinduism, Islam, Catholicism, Mormonism, Scientology, etc. It is do, do, do. See? In all the false religions out there, it is all about works salvation. And the new versions line up with them. Because they wrongly teach Christians that they are "being saved" when that is not true. Christians are already saved. Now what the Christian does grow in on a daily basis is sanctification. Sanctification always comes after salvation.

I like how Brother Lester Roloff used to say: "Education without regeneration is an abomination."

Another thing you have with the modern versions is the mass of confusion over what God said. And there has been a sharp decline over the belief in the inerrancy of the Scripture. And I believe the main cause is the new versions. I know I mentioned this before, but it definitely needs to be repeated. And that is that there an estimated 233+ English translations out there today. So I can understand why there is an ever growing number of Christians who are no longer believing in the inerrancy of Scripture. We are definitely living in a sad state today. Please allow me to share a quote by Brother Will Kinney as I want to share an excerpt from one of his articles:


"It is a fact that most professing Christians today do not believe in an infallible Bible nor in the infallibility of Scripture in any language. I have put together an rather extensive article with various quotes and polls from present day Evangelicals which prove that this is the present state of Christianity all over the world.” -Will Kinney (The Infallibility of Scripture - are you a Bible believer or a Bible agnostic?)



Afterall, we are living in the last days where the falling away has already taken place and we now are living in the apostasy where many churches have become apostate.



Furthermore; absolutely. Yes again; you make a great point when you said that God already provided salvation for us. And yes it is past tense, it has already been done. Jesus Christ said "It is Finished." Meaning that His sacrifice and the payment that He made for our sins on the Cross of Calvary was enough. Nothing is to be added to salvation. If a person is to be saved, then he must trust and believe on Christ alone. That man or lady cannot trust anything else, he cannot trust in his self righteousness, his good works, his church membership, his baptism, or anything else. He must simply repent and trust Christ. He must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved. And once he is saved, he is saved forever. He is sealed. He is blood bought and redeemed. He is purchased by the Lord Jesus Christ.


And again Homwardbound, you are most welcome. I am glad I had this opportunity to share this information with you. I thank God and give Him all the glory that by His grace, your eyes have been opened to the Bible Version Issue. And to the textual changes in the modern versions. And I also am glad that you are now beginning to see the changes that the new versions make. Also, that you are beginning to understand the serious implications of these changes which are in the modern versions. Especially pertaining to New Testament Salvation. Furthermore, that these textual changes change and distort the doctrine of Salvation.

 

[homwardbound]

Homwardbound, that was a really good example that you gave in regard to the glass of pure water, and that even one drop of ink can taint and contaminate the drinking water. And that is exactly what the modern versions do. You see; there will be truth in the modern versions but what makes it very deceptive is that the modern versions also contain lies and dangerous heresies. Like the one I showed you previously where the new versions teach works salvation.

And you are welcome Homwardbound, I am glad that I could be of help to you in regard to this very important issue. To God be all the glory. And I am glad that you have seen for yourself what the men behind these modern bible versions have done. And how they have distorted the pure Gospel. There are a lot of other serious doctrinal changes in the modern versions.



And yes; salvation is a finished work. Once you trusted and believed on Christ for your salvation Homwardbound, you were saved once and for all. You were baptized into the Body of Christ and you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of God. In Christianity it is Done. And in all the religions of the world, you know the false religions out there like Hinduism, Islam, Catholicism, Mormonism, Scientology, etc. It is do, do, do. See? In all the false religions out there, it is all about works salvation. And the new versions line up with them. Because they wrongly teach Christians that they are "being saved" when that is not true. Christians are already saved. Now what the Christian does grow in on a daily basis is sanctification. Sanctification always comes after salvation.

I like how Brother Lester Roloff used to say: "Education without regeneration is an abomination."

Another thing you have with the modern versions is the mass of confusion over what God said. And there has been a sharp decline over the belief in the inerrancy of the Scripture. And I believe the main cause is the new versions. I know I mentioned this before, but it definitely needs to be repeated. And that is that there an estimated 233+ English translations out there today. So I can understand why there is an ever growing number of Christians who are no longer believing in the inerrancy of Scripture. We are definitely living in a sad state today. Please allow me to share a quote by Brother Will Kinney as I want to share an excerpt from one of his articles:


"It is a fact that most professing Christians today do not believe in an infallible Bible nor in the infallibility of Scripture in any language. I have put together an rather extensive article with various quotes and polls from present day Evangelicals which prove that this is the present state of Christianity all over the world.” -Will Kinney (The Infallibility of Scripture - are you a Bible believer or a Bible agnostic?)



Afterall, we are living in the last days where the falling away has already taken place and we now are living in the apostasy where many churches have become apostate.



Furthermore; absolutely. Yes again; you make a great point when you said that God already provided salvation for us. And yes it is past tense, it has already been done. Jesus Christ said "It is Finished." Meaning that His sacrifice and the payment that He made for our sins on the Cross of Calvary was enough. Nothing is to be added to salvation. If a person is to be saved, then he must trust and believe on Christ alone. That man or lady cannot trust anything else, he cannot trust in his self righteousness, his good works, his church membership, his baptism, or anything else. He must simply repent and trust Christ. He must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved. And once he is saved, he is saved forever. He is sealed. He is blood bought and redeemed. He is purchased by the Lord Jesus Christ.


And again Homwardbound, you are most welcome. I am glad I had this opportunity to share this information with you. I thank God and give Him all the glory that by His grace, your eyes have been opened to the Bible Version Issue. And to the textual changes in the modern versions. And I also am glad that you are now beginning to see the changes that the new versions make. Also, that you are beginning to understand the serious implications of these changes which are in the modern versions. Especially pertaining to New Testament Salvation. Furthermore, that these textual changes change and distort the doctrine of Salvation.

Thanks back, and God has been working with me to teach me it is all God and none of me. I remember what Christ said to his disciples when they came to him about others preaching Christ and were not of them, this was being worldly on their part. But Christ said leave them alone, for a divided kingdom can not stand, Satan casting out satan.
Paul also mentioned those the preach in sincereity and those that don't either way CHRIST is being preached. So no matter what version, what way, where they go to Church or not, if Christ is being Preached then those that beleive will know the truth and the truth will set them free. Now anytime I see I am in bondage, I know there is error in my truth, and need to be taught all over again in listening to God, my hidden man of the heart. This world and all it gloss takes many back captive to this world, but not those of the elect, for God will show us all when we take the wrong turn, and will never leave us or forsake us. No one can snatch us out of the palm of God's hand, no weapon formed against us shall ever prosper. Since God is for us who can be against us? All things somehow work towards the good of God and beiing in God even somehow the bad we recieve works somehow towards our benefit, just not seen at the time of tragedy.
I want to share 3 verses in the word that says it all to me
[h=3]Matthew 5:17[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]The Fulfillment of the Law[/h][SUP]17 [/SUP]“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.


[h=3]Matthew 5:17[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


[h=3]John 19:30[/h]New Living Translation (NLT)

[SUP]30 [/SUP]When Jesus had tasted it, he said, “It is finished!” Then he bowed his head and released his spirit.


[h=3]John 19:30[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]30 [/SUP]When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


Hebrews 9:15
New Living Translation (NLT)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]That is why he is the one who mediates a new covenant between God and people, so that all who are called can receive the eternal inheritance God has promised them. For Christ died to set them free from the penalty of the sins they had committed under that first covenant


[h=3]Hebrews 9:15[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance

To me I see it very clear that it is finished in and by the cross and we recive the new life in the resurrected Spirit of Christ

 

[homwardbound]

Oh and I want to show this the only true place of worship and way to worship is in Spirit and truth, and the Kingdom is in heaven not here on earth in any buiding

[h=3]John 4:23-24[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


[h=3]Hebrews 8:1-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Thanks back, and God has been working with me to teach me it is all God and none of me. I remember what Christ said to his disciples when they came to him about others preaching Christ and were not of them, this was being worldly on their part. But Christ said leave them alone, for a divided kingdom can not stand, Satan casting out satan.
Paul also mentioned those the preach in sincereity and those that don't either way CHRIST is being preached. So no matter what version, what way, where they go to Church or not, if Christ is being Preached then those that beleive will know the truth and the truth will set them free. Now anytime I see I am in bondage, I know there is error in my truth, and need to be taught all over again in listening to God, my hidden man of the heart. This world and all it gloss takes many back captive to this world, but not those of the elect, for God will show us all when we take the wrong turn, and will never leave us or forsake us. No one can snatch us out of the palm of God's hand, no weapon formed against us shall ever prosper. Since God is for us who can be against us? All things somehow work towards the good of God and beiing in God even somehow the bad we recieve works somehow towards our benefit, just not seen at the time of tragedy.
I want to share 3 verses in the word that says it all to me
Matthew 5:17

New International Version (NIV)

The Fulfillment of the Law

[SUP]17 [/SUP]“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.


Matthew 5:17

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


John 19:30

New Living Translation (NLT)

[SUP]30 [/SUP]When Jesus had tasted it, he said, “It is finished!” Then he bowed his head and released his spirit.


John 19:30

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]30 [/SUP]When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


Hebrews 9:15
New Living Translation (NLT)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]That is why he is the one who mediates a new covenant between God and people, so that all who are called can receive the eternal inheritance God has promised them. For Christ died to set them free from the penalty of the sins they had committed under that first covenant


Hebrews 9:15

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance

To me I see it very clear that it is finished in and by the cross and we recive the new life in the resurrected Spirit of Christ

Well one thing that has to be understood Homwardbound and that is this. If the pastor is preaching out of a NIV, then he is preaching another Christ. Why Because the Jesus in the NIV does not consider equality with God. While the the Lord Jesus in the King James Bible though it not equal to be equal with God.

Here are the two readings of Philippians 2:6


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New International Version (©2011)
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;


King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Who, being in the form of God,thought it not robbery to be equal with God:


So unless the preacher is preaching from the true word of God, there will not be any real spiritual growth. There is a lot of spiritual malnutrition in the churches right now because of the modern versions. The modern version movement promotes doubt over the inerrancy of Scripture and it also promotes confusion as well.

Because you can no longer have congregational and responsive reading in these big churches where there is over 50 or 60 different translations being used.


Also, in the King James Bible there are 3 sets of 7 references of the following words and phrases:

1. The Word
2. The Mediator
3. "After the order of Melchisedec"

The three sets of references in the KJV add up to 777.

Now the NIV takes away 1 of each of these words and phrases.

So the NIV, being that it removes 1 reference from each set, the three three sets of references in the NIV add up to 666.

I first learned this truth when I saw the very first video by Bryan Denlinger on the Bible Version Issue. In fact, I will share with you the video that he did on this study at the conclusion of this response.

Here is the proof:

The Word:
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References to the Word can be found in the following Scriptures in the King James Bible:

John 1:1(3 references), John 1:14 (1 reference), 1 John 1:1 (1 reference), 1 John 5:7 (1 reference), and Revelation 19:13 (1 Reference)

The NIV has all of them in except for 1 John 5:7.

1 John 5:7
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King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

New International Version (©2011)
For there are three that testify:


Next, the Mediator.

The Mediator

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The King James Bible has the following references in the Scriptures for the Mediator. Here they are:

Galatians 3:19 (1 reference), Galatians 3:20 ( 2 references), 1 Timothy 2:5 ( 1 reference), Hebrews 8:6 (1 reference), Hebrews 9:15 (1 reference) and Hebrews 12:24(1 reference).

The NIV has each of the references except where it takes the second reference to the Mediator out in Galatians 3:20.

Galatians 3:20

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King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

(2 references to the mediator)

New International Version (©2011)
A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

(only 1 reference to the mediator here in the NIV)

Now for the next one, we have the phrase: "After the order of Melchisedec." Which appears 7 times in the King James Bible, but only 6 times in the NIV.

"After the order of Melchisedec"


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References are: Psalm 110:4 (1 reference), Hebrews 5:6 (1 reference), Hebrews 5:10 (1 reference), Hebrews 6:20 (1 reference), Hebrews 7:11 (1 reference), Hebrews 7:17 (1 reference), and Hebrews 7:21 (1 reference).

So in the King James Bible; each of these references to the phrase After the order of Melchisedec are 7 references.


Again; the NIV has each of those references except for Hebrews 7:21.

Hebrews 7:21
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King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

New International Version (©2011)
but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him: "The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: 'You are a priest forever.'"

As you can see Homwardbound, the NIV removes the phrase "after the order of Melchisedec."

So we can see that there are 3 titles for Jesus Christ in the King James Bible that there are 7 references to each of the 3 titles. Hence, you have 777 in the King James Bible.

But in the NIV, since it removes one reference for each title, you no longer have 777. But now you have 666 in the NIV.

KJV 777

The numbers in the King James Bible for each of the three titles in regard to the number of references, you have the numbers adding up to 777.

And for the NIV, you have the numbers adding up to 666. Hence, NIV 666.

Therefore, the NIV is an antichrist bible. It is not a legitimate bible.

As promised, here is the first video I ever saw by Bryan Denlinger on the Bible Version Issue:


KJV 777 vs NIV 666

[video=youtube;sAPP_vWrcGA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAPP_vWrcGA[/video]

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[RachelBibleStudent]

so the NIV is an antichrist bible because antichrist occult methods say so...

we need a facepalm emoticon...

 

[SarahM777]

How about this one?

 

[Angela53510]

Without the word of God, we would have never gotten the doctrine of the Trinity. It is from the pure word of God, that we got the doctrine of the Godhead and of the trinity.

So let's just examine this first statement:

• The word "Trinity" was first used by Tertullian (c.155-230)
• The doctrine of the Trinity is commonly expressed as: "One God, three Persons"
• The doctrine is formally defined in the Nicene Creed, which declares Jesus to be: "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father."
• Council of Nicea - 325 AD

So we have a word coined by a man in somewhere in the second or third century. Then it is affirmed by the church in the 4th century.

Then KJV comes out in 1611. Let's say from The Council of Nicea to KJV is 1286 years.

That means the doctrine of the Trinity was around for 1300 years before KJV. And yet you claim sound doctrine comes only from KJV specifically, the doctrine of the Trinity????

Hilarious!

Now, I read English Standard generally sometimes the Message just for a different look. I also read in French, Koine Greek and Masoretic Hebrew. I find the Trinity in all those versions. Well, the doctrine would have to be found within the original languages the Bible was written in, or the doctrine would not be true.

As for this very late edition of the Bible, worshiped by some, exclusively claimed to be the only version, one wonders how the doctrine of the Trinity came about without this version of the Bible, and survived 1300 years without it ever having been written. Or how people of other language groups could know Christ if they cannot read a Bible written 400 years ago in English only. Oh right, translate KJV into other languages, a trick known as NOT going back to the earliest manuscripts and translating from the Hebrew and Greek into those other languages. How English-centric!

I won't even have a go at all the mistakes of KJV, or all the versions of KJV, and all the obsolete words, which tend to rend it unreadable.

Keep up with these kinds of mistakes, and everyone will never pick up a KJV again!

 

[Agricola]

King James : Dost not thou want a glass half filled with wine?
All other satan bibles : Do you not want your glass half empty?

Here we have King James Bible right by saying it is positive thing that the glass is full, FULL, that is it has substance, however in the satanic bibles, the words have been changed to empty, this is satans way of telling us we are useless and we have nothing, and are no where near full, therefore its making the reader give up on God and will send him to hell for doubting God.

Of Course, this is simply a parody, but it is a serious parody, when you look at what the King James Only claims, you will see most of it is simply pedantic and the changes they rant over are still saying the same thing, such as is a glass half full or half empty.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

so the NIV is an antichrist bible because antichrist occult methods say so...

we need a facepalm emoticon...

The NIV is an antichrist bible because it attacks the person and deity of Jesus Christ.

And it removes one reference for each of the three titles that is given for the Lord Jesus Christ as shown in the video KJV 777 vs NIV 666 by Bryan Denlinger.

You better wake up Rachel. Not too much time left. You better get right with the Lord.

 

[sunshinelovin1700]

The NIV is an antichrist bible because it attacks the person and deity of Jesus Christ.

And it removes one reference for each of the three titles that is given for the Lord Jesus Christ as shown in the video KJV 777 vs NIV 666 by Bryan Denlinger.

You better wake up Rachel. Not too much time left. You better get right with the Lord.

I myself don't care for the NIV after finding out Jesus was made into Lucifer......(1) Just about everybody knows the word "Lucifer" as another name for Satan. The word "Lucifer" is found one time in the King James Bible.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
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(2) But what about the NIV? The word "Lucifer" is clean, bald-headed gone and now this creature is identified as the "morning star". Lucifer is the "morning star" in the NIV.

How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
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(3) So we know that in the NIV the "morning star" is a negative, evil figure. Right? He was fallen from heaven. He was cast down to the earth. Can we find the "morning star" anywhere else in the NIV? Yes! The following passages in the NIV show the "morning star" as Jesus Christ! But the NIV just called the fallen creature of Isaiah 14:12 "morning star". Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV! Lord have mercy, Jesus! Help me, Lord.
NIV: Revelation 22:16,
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you [1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
NIV: 2 Peter 1:19,
And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
NIV: Revelation 2:28--
I will also give him the morning star.


So I'm with you on not liking other Bible versions but who are you to say Rachel needs to get right with the Lord?

[h=3]Matthew 7:1-5[/h]King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

We are to lift each other up... with love...How do you assume Rachel isn't right with our Lord?... I don't want to argue please.

 

[Agricola]

Unfortunately the King James Only Cult consider everyone who reads a Bible other then the 1611, will be going to hell, of course they do sometimes deny this, but read between the lines and see the subtle threats and overtones, they do really think that any other Bible will send you to hell, I have even had cult members tell me this direct.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

So let's just examine this first statement:

• The word "Trinity" was first used by Tertullian (c.155-230)
• The doctrine of the Trinity is commonly expressed as: "One God, three Persons"
• The doctrine is formally defined in the Nicene Creed, which declares Jesus to be: "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father."
• Council of Nicea - 325 AD

So we have a word coined by a man in somewhere in the second or third century. Then it is affirmed by the church in the 4th century.

Question for you Angela53510; where did Tertullian discover the doctrine of the Trinity?

Where did the early church fathers get the doctrine of the trinity?

I mean did the doctrine of the trinity come from the early church fathers? Or did it come from Scripture?
Without the Scriptures, we would not have any doctrine to go on.

Wasn't the word of God available in first and second century?

Then KJV comes out in 1611. Let's say from The Council of Nicea to KJV is 1286 years.

That means the doctrine of the Trinity was around for 1300 years before KJV. And yet you claim sound doctrine comes only from KJV specifically, the doctrine of the Trinity????

Angela, again where did the church fathers at the council of Nicea get the doctrine of the trinity? Where did it come from?

They did not invent the doctrine out of thin air.

The King James Bible is the perfect, preserved word of God. So we have a perfect standard and know what the originals said in the Hebrew and Greek language.

So although we do not have the original autographs, we have a copy of how the original autographs read. Why? Because God promised to preserve His pure words.

6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. - Psalm 12:6-7 (Holy Bible)

So I am going to stand by my statement. We don't get our doctrine from the church tradition or the tradition of the church fathers or which ever else. We get our doctrine from the word of God.

Hilarious!

Now, I read English Standard generally sometimes the Message just for a different look. I also read in French, Koine Greek and Masoretic Hebrew. I find the Trinity in all those versions. Well, the doctrine would have to be found within the original languages the Bible was written in, or the doctrine would not be true.

Well why do most of the modern versions take out the clearest verse on the trinity in the whole Bible? You know which verse I am referring to right?

I am referring to 1 John 5:7.

And yes, the doctrine of the Trinity would have to have been in the Original autographs. And it was, I know by faith it was because the Holy Bible teaches the doctrine of the trinity. The trinity and Godhead is also clearly taught in 1 John 5:7.

As for this very late edition of the Bible, worshiped by some, exclusively claimed to be the only version, one wonders how the doctrine of the Trinity came about without this version of the Bible, and survived 1300 years without it ever having been written. Or how people of other language groups could know Christ if they cannot read a Bible written 400 years ago in English only. Oh right, translate KJV into other languages, a trick known as NOT going back to the earliest manuscripts and translating from the Hebrew and Greek into those other languages. How English-centric!

I won't even have a go at all the mistakes of KJV, or all the versions of KJV, and all the obsolete words, which tend to rend it unreadable.

Keep up with these kinds of mistakes, and everyone will never pick up a KJV again!

Angela, you are wrong. There are absolutely NO mistakes in the precious Authorized King James Holy Bible. There cannot be any errors or mistakes in God's perfect word. God cannot lie (See Titus 1:2).

All the "alleged" and "supposed" "errors" or "mistakes" that you think are in the King James Bible can be explained by simply doing a diligent Bible study in the King James Bible. And by rightly dividing the word of truth.

You have to study. This ain't fast food Christianity. You are going to need to study if you want to find out the truth of the Bible Version Issue. You do not have to be ignorant on this issue Angela.

And by the way; the Byzantine manuscripts have been shown to be very early in date also. Look up an article which Brother Will Kinney did on the Byzantine text and manuscripts.

You can read as many versions as you want to. That is your choice. But I choose to stick with the perfect and pure word of God.

I don't need to read the counterfeits that are out there.

All I need is my King James Bible. It is the absolute truth and absolute Final Authority of all matters of faith and practice.

The King James Bible has been tried and tested. It is the perfect word of God.

 

[SarahM777]

I myself don't care for the NIV after finding out Jesus was made into Lucifer......(1) Just about everybody knows the word "Lucifer" as another name for Satan. The word "Lucifer" is found one time in the King James Bible.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
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(2) But what about the NIV? The word "Lucifer" is clean, bald-headed gone and now this creature is identified as the "morning star". Lucifer is the "morning star" in the NIV.

How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
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(3) So we know that in the NIV the "morning star" is a negative, evil figure. Right? He was fallen from heaven. He was cast down to the earth. Can we find the "morning star" anywhere else in the NIV? Yes! The following passages in the NIV show the "morning star" as Jesus Christ! But the NIV just called the fallen creature of Isaiah 14:12 "morning star". Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV! Lord have mercy, Jesus! Help me, Lord.
NIV: Revelation 22:16,
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you [1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
NIV: 2 Peter 1:19,
And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
NIV: Revelation 2:28--
I will also give him the morning star.


So I'm with you on not liking other Bible versions but who are you to say Rachel needs to get right with the Lord?

Matthew 7:1-5

King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

We are to lift each other up... with love...How do you assume Rachel isn't right with our Lord?... I don't want to argue please.

UMMM If you all want to forget that this verse it is ALSO IN THE KJV

Job 36

Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?


What do you all do with this verse? You all want to try taken all the verses within the context of which they are written and quit trying to make them say something they are not.

It is quite obvious that the Bible uses the words morning star in multiple ways. EVEN YOUR BELOVED KJV
At least be honest about that.

 

[Agricola]

Chosenbyhim, the only ignorance on show here is yours. You follow blindly a cult whos leaders rant on about Canabalizing Rebekah when clearly failing to understand that a nose ring is a beautiful thing to show marriage betrothal. Then there are perverted evil satanic verses which changes the word Easter in the 1611 to PAssover in other versions.

AS I said before, if the cult has issues over these things, then how do you expect anyone to take the rest of the claims seriously. Then you have the audacity to tell people to do proper Bible Study, when its clear its you and the cult who need to do proper study, then you will see why changing Easter to Passover is not the work of satan.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

I myself don't care for the NIV after finding out Jesus was made into Lucifer......(1) Just about everybody knows the word "Lucifer" as another name for Satan. The word "Lucifer" is found one time in the King James Bible.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
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(2) But what about the NIV? The word "Lucifer" is clean, bald-headed gone and now this creature is identified as the "morning star". Lucifer is the "morning star" in the NIV.

How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
​

(3) So we know that in the NIV the "morning star" is a negative, evil figure. Right? He was fallen from heaven. He was cast down to the earth. Can we find the "morning star" anywhere else in the NIV? Yes! The following passages in the NIV show the "morning star" as Jesus Christ! But the NIV just called the fallen creature of Isaiah 14:12 "morning star". Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV! Lord have mercy, Jesus! Help me, Lord.
NIV: Revelation 22:16,
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you [1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
NIV: 2 Peter 1:19,
And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
NIV: Revelation 2:28--
I will also give him the morning star.


So I'm with you on not liking other Bible versions but who are you to say Rachel needs to get right with the Lord?

Matthew 7:1-5

King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

We are to lift each other up... with love...How do you assume Rachel isn't right with our Lord?... I don't want to argue please.

Well Sunshine1700, I want to first thank you for showing that corruption that is in the NIV, and of course that has been on here before. And I am glad that you have been able to discern that corruption that is in the NIV. It seems that the more information you give to the Christians out there who support the new versions, the more they just to pretend it is not there. But it is.

Well maybe I should have been more detailed with my words. In context, I was telling Rachel that she needs to get right with the Lord in terms of the Bible Version Issue which is an issue over Final Written Authority.

Because she is not in the right on this issue. And it is quite clear that she is not in the right, she is on the wrong side of this issue.

And also Sunshine1700, that passage in Matthew 7 which you shared on judging others. Well the context of that passage is hypocritical judgment. And we know that because in Matthew 7:15 Jesus says: 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

To beware of the false prophets which are out there, we have to judge and discern between the real and the false teachers who are out there. So doing that does indeed involve judgment.

Here is the context of the passage:

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes. - Matthew 7:13-29 (King James Bible)

You see when I discovered the Bible Version Issue, and when I was shown the truth on it. And I had to then make a decision. And part of that decision was which side I was going to choose to be on. And I chose to be on the side that defends Final Written Authority.

So I am not doing any hypocritical judgment here. Again, in context with the issue being discussed on this thread, I was letting Rachel know that she needs to get right with the Lord on this Bible Version Issue. So again, I should have been just a little more clear in regard to what my statement to her was pertaining to.

But again Sunsine1700, I do thank you for acknowledging that truth in regard to the correct rendering of Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12, versus the false reading of morning star & daystar in Isaiah 14:12 in the modern versions.

And who knows maybe you may be able to reach Rachel, seeing that you two are friends.

Sometimes we just need to rebuke those that need it, that way they be sound in the faith. And yeah I understand that we need to encourage and love one another, I agree with you there.

But we also need to contend for the faith and for the truth that we have been shown. Even if it means rebuking at times other fellow Christians who need it.

And trust me, I know that I need rebuking too at times. I am not above correction. There have been brethren on here who have corrected me before and I thanked them for it. And I acknowledged the points which they were right on.

 

[homwardbound]

Well one thing that has to be understood Homwardbound and that is this. If the pastor is preaching out of a NIV, then he is preaching another Christ. Why Because the Jesus in the NIV does not consider equality with God. While the the Lord Jesus in the King James Bible though it not equal to be equal with God.

Here are the two readings of Philippians 2:6


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New International Version (©2011)
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;


King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Who, being in the form of God,thought it not robbery to be equal with God:


So unless the preacher is preaching from the true word of God, there will not be any real spiritual growth. There is a lot of spiritual malnutrition in the churches right now because of the modern versions. The modern version movement promotes doubt over the inerrancy of Scripture and it also promotes confusion as well.

Because you can no longer have congregational and responsive reading in these big churches where there is over 50 or 60 different translations being used.


Also, in the King James Bible there are 3 sets of 7 references of the following words and phrases:

1. The Word
2. The Mediator
3. "After the order of Melchisedec"

The three sets of references in the KJV add up to 777.

Now the NIV takes away 1 of each of these words and phrases.

So the NIV, being that it removes 1 reference from each set, the three three sets of references in the NIV add up to 666.

I first learned this truth when I saw the very first video by Bryan Denlinger on the Bible Version Issue. In fact, I will share with you the video that he did on this study at the conclusion of this response.

Here is the proof:

The Word:
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References to the Word can be found in the following Scriptures in the King James Bible:

John 1:1(3 references), John 1:14 (1 reference), 1 John 1:1 (1 reference), 1 John 5:7 (1 reference), and Revelation 19:13 (1 Reference)

The NIV has all of them in except for 1 John 5:7.

1 John 5:7
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King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

New International Version (©2011)
For there are three that testify:


Next, the Mediator.

The Mediator

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The King James Bible has the following references in the Scriptures for the Mediator. Here they are:

Galatians 3:19 (1 reference), Galatians 3:20 ( 2 references), 1 Timothy 2:5 ( 1 reference), Hebrews 8:6 (1 reference), Hebrews 9:15 (1 reference) and Hebrews 12:24(1 reference).

The NIV has each of the references except where it takes the second reference to the Mediator out in Galatians 3:20.

Galatians 3:20

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King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

(2 references to the mediator)

New International Version (©2011)
A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

(only 1 reference to the mediator here in the NIV)

Now for the next one, we have the phrase: "After the order of Melchisedec." Which appears 7 times in the King James Bible, but only 6 times in the NIV.

"After the order of Melchisedec"


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References are: Psalm 110:4 (1 reference), Hebrews 5:6 (1 reference), Hebrews 5:10 (1 reference), Hebrews 6:20 (1 reference), Hebrews 7:11 (1 reference), Hebrews 7:17 (1 reference), and Hebrews 7:21 (1 reference).

So in the King James Bible; each of these references to the phrase After the order of Melchisedec are 7 references.


Again; the NIV has each of those references except for Hebrews 7:21.

Hebrews 7:21
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King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

New International Version (©2011)
but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him: "The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: 'You are a priest forever.'"

As you can see Homwardbound, the NIV removes the phrase "after the order of Melchisedec."

So we can see that there are 3 titles for Jesus Christ in the King James Bible that there are 7 references to each of the 3 titles. Hence, you have 777 in the King James Bible.

But in the NIV, since it removes one reference for each title, you no longer have 777. But now you have 666 in the NIV.

KJV 777

The numbers in the King James Bible for each of the three titles in regard to the number of references, you have the numbers adding up to 777.

And for the NIV, you have the numbers adding up to 666. Hence, NIV 666.

Therefore, the NIV is an antichrist bible. It is not a legitimate bible.

As promised, here is the first video I ever saw by Bryan Denlinger on the Bible Version Issue:


KJV 777 vs NIV 666

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The differant translations are established all have errors in them, yet Christ is being preached
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.


[h=3]Mark 3:23-25[/h]New Living Translation (NLT)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]Jesus called them over and responded with an illustration. “How can Satan cast out Satan?” he asked. [SUP]24 [/SUP]“A kingdom divided by civil war will collapse. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Similarly, a family splintered by feuding will fall apart.


[h=3]Mark 3:23-25[/h]New Life Version (NLV)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]Jesus called them to Him and spoke to them in picture-stories. He said, “How can the devil put out the devil? [SUP]24 [/SUP]A nation cannot last if it is divided against itself. [SUP]25 [/SUP]A family cannot last if it is divided against itself.

So are we divided with all the differant versions, when Christ is preached?
And is the KJV being the only translation that you see as the way, the truth, and the life, does no one else come to the Father except through the King James version?
Where is the true tabernacle? Is it here on earth? Where is the kingdom of God? Where do you go to Church at?


[h=3]Hebrews 8:1-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
[SUP]4[/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:


[h=3]Hebrews 8:1-4[/h]New Living Translation (NLT)

[h=3]Christ Is Our High Priest[/h]8 Here is the main point: We have a High Priest who sat down in the place of honor beside the throne of the majestic God in heaven. [SUP]2 [/SUP]There he ministers in the heavenly Tabernacle, the true place of worship that was built by the Lord and not by human hands.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And since every high priest is required to offer gifts and sacrifices, our High Priest must make an offering, too. [SUP]4 [/SUP]If he were here on earth, he would not even be a priest, since there already are priests who offer the gifts required by the law.

Anyway two translations saying the same, using differant words, and is up to each to discipher truth from error in trusting God to show us when it is in error. And alltranslations have errors in them. God who lives in us by belief in the Spirit shows us the truth of what is said and what is error

 

[homwardbound]

Question for you Angela53510; where did Tertullian discover the doctrine of the Trinity?

Where did the early church fathers get the doctrine of the trinity?

I mean did the doctrine of the trinity come from the early church fathers? Or did it come from Scripture?
Without the Scriptures, we would not have any doctrine to go on.

Wasn't the word of God available in first and second century?




Angela, again where did the church fathers at the council of Nicea get the doctrine of the trinity? Where did it come from?

They did not invent the doctrine out of thin air.

The King James Bible is the perfect, preserved word of God. So we have a perfect standard and know what the originals said in the Hebrew and Greek language.

So although we do not have the original autographs, we have a copy of how the original autographs read. Why? Because God promised to preserve His pure words.

6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. - Psalm 12:6-7 (Holy Bible)

So I am going to stand by my statement. We don't get our doctrine from the church tradition or the tradition of the church fathers or which ever else. We get our doctrine from the word of God.





Well why do most of the modern versions take out the clearest verse on the trinity in the whole Bible? You know which verse I am referring to right?

I am referring to 1 John 5:7.

And yes, the doctrine of the Trinity would have to have been in the Original autographs. And it was, I know by faith it was because the Holy Bible teaches the doctrine of the trinity. The trinity and Godhead is also clearly taught in 1 John 5:7.




Angela, you are wrong. There are absolutely NO mistakes in the precious Authorized King James Holy Bible. There cannot be any errors or mistakes in God's perfect word. God cannot lie (See Titus 1:2).

All the "alleged" and "supposed" "errors" or "mistakes" that you think are in the King James Bible can be explained by simply doing a diligent Bible study in the King James Bible. And by rightly dividing the word of truth.

You have to study. This ain't fast food Christianity. You are going to need to study if you want to find out the truth of the Bible Version Issue. You do not have to be ignorant on this issue Angela.

And by the way; the Byzantine manuscripts have been shown to be very early in date also. Look up an article which Brother Will Kinney did on the Byzantine text and manuscripts.

You can read as many versions as you want to. That is your choice. But I choose to stick with the perfect and pure word of God.

I don't need to read the counterfeits that are out there.

All I need is my King James Bible. It is the absolute truth and absolute Final Authority of all matters of faith and practice.

The King James Bible has been tried and tested. It is the perfect word of God.

So no errors, please explain the meaning of this verse below?
Hebrews 10:25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

 

[homwardbound]

Well Sunshine1700, I want to first thank you for showing that corruption that is in the NIV, and of course that has been on here before. And I am glad that you have been able to discern that corruption that is in the NIV. It seems that the more information you give to the Christians out there who support the new versions, the more they just to pretend it is not there. But it is.

Well maybe I should have been more detailed with my words. In context, I was telling Rachel that she needs to get right with the Lord in terms of the Bible Version Issue which is an issue over Final Written Authority.

Because she is not in the right on this issue. And it is quite clear that she is not in the right, she is on the wrong side of this issue.

And also Sunshine1700, that passage in Matthew 7 which you shared on judging others. Well the context of that passage is hypocritical judgment. And we know that because in Matthew 7:15 Jesus says: 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

To beware of the false prophets which are out there, we have to judge and discern between the real and the false teachers who are out there. So doing that does indeed involve judgment.

Here is the context of the passage:

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes. - Matthew 7:13-29 (King James Bible)

You see when I discovered the Bible Version Issue, and when I was shown the truth on it. And I had to then make a decision. And part of that decision was which side I was going to choose to be on. And I chose to be on the side that defends Final Written Authority.

So I am not doing any hypocritical judgment here. Again, in context with the issue being discussed on this thread, I was letting Rachel know that she needs to get right with the Lord on this Bible Version Issue. So again, I should have been just a little more clear in regard to what my statement to her was pertaining to.

But again Sunsine1700, I do thank you for acknowledging that truth in regard to the correct rendering of Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12, versus the false reading of morning star & daystar in Isaiah 14:12 in the modern versions.

And who knows maybe you may be able to reach Rachel, seeing that you two are friends.

Sometimes we just need to rebuke those that need it, that way they be sound in the faith. And yeah I understand that we need to encourage and love one another, I agree with you there.

But we also need to contend for the faith and for the truth that we have been shown. Even if it means rebuking at times other fellow Christians who need it.

And trust me, I know that I need rebuking too at times. I am not above correction. There have been brethren on here who have corrected me before and I thanked them for it. And I acknowledged the points which they were right on.

I am sorry but you are seeminglypromoting that if I , or anyone else does not agree with you, or better put fit in your basket of eggs.
Let me ask you this are only the KJV that adhere to the original KJV people, are they the only ones going to Heaven? Does God not accept us, those that believe God, trust in God? You seem to be making reading the KJV as law, or else.
I do not think you mean to put burdens on others but you are and making it a must for everyone else, is this right of you?