The Best Church for You - By Brother James L. Melton
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Tell me does the Holy Ghost live within you. Has God taken up residence in you to teach you truth from error so you can be set free?
So God does talk to his children to this very day yes? Or is it only through the KJV. There are many that think this way, so they can use the word, whether KJV or any other version to persaude others to come under their fallacy being fake. Just as the serpent was to Adam and Eve.
Is there any doubt in you that God just love you? Do you doubt that when Christ went to the cross that he went for the sins of the whole world?
Did he take all sin away at the sheddinig of his blood? When God said to renew our minds, what did God mean and to whose thought pattern? The world's of do not sin and you will be blessed? Or to God's who took away the sin of the world through Christ, not counting any of then against you, me and all the world?
Which is good news? taken away or we have more to do?
Since God took it all away from God's vantage point through Christ, how much more are we going to saved by his life? Saved by the resurrection.
All scripture points to the truth, all versions point to truth, and it reallydepends on the motive behind why one wants to know God. I personally see the below I am posting is what God wants from each of us, you choose God or KJV
"Comfort God by letting God know that you would see God just to dwell in God's Presence. Not for teaching, not for material gain, not even for a message, but for God. The longing of the human heart to be loved for itself is something caught from the Great Divine Heart."
So God does talk to his children to this very day yes? Or is it only through the KJV. There are many that think this way, so they can use the word, whether KJV or any other version to persaude others to come under their fallacy being fake. Just as the serpent was to Adam and Eve.
Is there any doubt in you that God just love you? Do you doubt that when Christ went to the cross that he went for the sins of the whole world?
Did he take all sin away at the sheddinig of his blood? When God said to renew our minds, what did God mean and to whose thought pattern? The world's of do not sin and you will be blessed? Or to God's who took away the sin of the world through Christ, not counting any of then against you, me and all the world?
Which is good news? taken away or we have more to do?
Since God took it all away from God's vantage point through Christ, how much more are we going to saved by his life? Saved by the resurrection.
All scripture points to the truth, all versions point to truth, and it reallydepends on the motive behind why one wants to know God. I personally see the below I am posting is what God wants from each of us, you choose God or KJV
"Comfort God by letting God know that you would see God just to dwell in God's Presence. Not for teaching, not for material gain, not even for a message, but for God. The longing of the human heart to be loved for itself is something caught from the Great Divine Heart."
It seems to me that KJV, and thisperson you are followoing have become your God
There is only one mediator between God and man, Christ Jesus. The Bible is a beautiful tool, but is not the word in itself, Christ is not bound to KJV or any other translation(s) God is the word and the word came to earth,and now the word is at the right hand of God making constant intercession for us. So we can approach the throne of grace in confidence, knowing we have Chirst the righteous in our place so we can go directly to Father and get instructions, not more forgiveness because we are forgiven past tense by Christ at the death and made alive at the resurrection. But this world has put a damper on this truth, gettiing all to work at it, instead of beleive, then see then recieve the new life provided to all that beleive at the resurrection
No one needs just KJV only ot get this truth.
And do you agree here with this truth about God? since you have the only truth revealed in KJV
There is only one mediator between God and man, Christ Jesus. The Bible is a beautiful tool, but is not the word in itself, Christ is not bound to KJV or any other translation(s) God is the word and the word came to earth,and now the word is at the right hand of God making constant intercession for us. So we can approach the throne of grace in confidence, knowing we have Chirst the righteous in our place so we can go directly to Father and get instructions, not more forgiveness because we are forgiven past tense by Christ at the death and made alive at the resurrection. But this world has put a damper on this truth, gettiing all to work at it, instead of beleive, then see then recieve the new life provided to all that beleive at the resurrection
No one needs just KJV only ot get this truth.
And do you agree here with this truth about God? since you have the only truth revealed in KJV
You know I understood and heard God through the Livig Bible Pharaphrased when I read this version cover to cover while in the USMC. How could that be. I beleived God and today still do. I use all translations and see errors as God shows me, then look up other translations and compare, then ask God for the truht, because I know truth sets one free and error puts or keeps one in bondage. So the only true resource that I or anyone has is God living in me to seperate error from truth.
So anytime I am in bondage,then I know somewhere along this walk, i adopted some error and have been brought back into bondage and need to be set free. You say go to KJV, and I say go directly to the Source God himself in the heavens
[h=3]John 16:12-15[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. [SUP]13 [/SUP]However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. [SUP]14 [/SUP]He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. [SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
See the source? Not the Kjv version only, God himself to put one's faith in anything else above the source is error and puts one working at salvation in theenergy of their own flesh. Being Decieved, by having other stuff before God himself directly. Bible KJV a great tool, yet so is the living Bible Pharaphrased
So anytime I am in bondage,then I know somewhere along this walk, i adopted some error and have been brought back into bondage and need to be set free. You say go to KJV, and I say go directly to the Source God himself in the heavens
[h=3]John 16:12-15[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. [SUP]13 [/SUP]However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. [SUP]14 [/SUP]He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. [SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
See the source? Not the Kjv version only, God himself to put one's faith in anything else above the source is error and puts one working at salvation in theenergy of their own flesh. Being Decieved, by having other stuff before God himself directly. Bible KJV a great tool, yet so is the living Bible Pharaphrased
Well here is the thing Nicenecreed, what I am saying is that the word of God is authoritative and it is infallible. Having said that, what is the One Book that gone through the most scrutiny and through the test of time?
If you are honest with yourself, then you would have to say it is the Authorized Version. I don't know if you realize this Nicene, but most of these new versions and modern translations such as the LB, CEV, TEV, ASV, The Voice, etc. don't really last that long. Some of them can't even make it to twenty years without going obsolete, and that is a fact, and the ones that do make it over 20 or 30 years make like that because they are marketed through secular and mainstream publishing companies.
But let me ask you a question though Nicene, why all the modern translations? I mean in this mass of confusion (there are about 233+ English modern translations out there) how does one know what God truly said? All these modern translations do not say the same thing and anyone who claims so is clearly lying through their teeth whether out of ignorance or out of willful deception.
But here is another question for you Nicene, has Bible belief grown over the last, let's say, 30 years?
Has the belief in the Inerrance and infallibility of Scripture grown over the recent years? Or has it plummeted?
And by the way, I will get to your second post, I just don't have the time to address each point and question you brought up. I have some things which I need to get done today, but I'll be sure to respond to your second post though.
If you are honest with yourself, then you would have to say it is the Authorized Version. I don't know if you realize this Nicene, but most of these new versions and modern translations such as the LB, CEV, TEV, ASV, The Voice, etc. don't really last that long. Some of them can't even make it to twenty years without going obsolete, and that is a fact, and the ones that do make it over 20 or 30 years make like that because they are marketed through secular and mainstream publishing companies.
But let me ask you a question though Nicene, why all the modern translations? I mean in this mass of confusion (there are about 233+ English modern translations out there) how does one know what God truly said? All these modern translations do not say the same thing and anyone who claims so is clearly lying through their teeth whether out of ignorance or out of willful deception.
But here is another question for you Nicene, has Bible belief grown over the last, let's say, 30 years?
Has the belief in the Inerrance and infallibility of Scripture grown over the recent years? Or has it plummeted?
And by the way, I will get to your second post, I just don't have the time to address each point and question you brought up. I have some things which I need to get done today, but I'll be sure to respond to your second post though.
megaman a good translation with errors as the rest, if one is looking for salavation and God sees their motive as pure as in
"Comfort God by letting God know that you would see God just to dwell in God's Presence. Not for teaching, not for material gain, not even for a message, but for God. The longing of the human heart to be loved for itself is something caught from the Great Divine Heart."
Then that one and all the rest will see the truth, and the truth will be revealed and we will see to
Lesson our judgement of others. We never see the whole picture. Never.
there are 1,000 reasons a person can behave a particular way. We don't know what is going on in their movie that motivates them to act in that way. I never know how I'd behave if I were in the other shoes. Today little by little, it would be good to learn to be more forgiving. Learn to where we can come from a place of help, rather than Judgement.
Judgements are only based on what one sees, from their owns thoughts. From their own experiences. There is truly only one that knows all. that one would be and is the creator of all.
If one learns to listen to the creator as Jesus Christ revealed to all mankind. (Christ taught us, to do nothing or say nothing w/o Father's instruction first and foremost), we would make the right judgements, with out condemnation. ( coming from the one listening),much less likely
The ones that argued would reveal their true selves, as was done in the day of visitation from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Steer clear from arguements, seek the truth in all things and one shall be free from the world and it's traps.
A man must learn to understand the motives of human beings, their illusions, and their sufferings.
"Comfort God by letting God know that you would see God just to dwell in God's Presence. Not for teaching, not for material gain, not even for a message, but for God. The longing of the human heart to be loved for itself is something caught from the Great Divine Heart."
Then that one and all the rest will see the truth, and the truth will be revealed and we will see to
Lesson our judgement of others. We never see the whole picture. Never.
there are 1,000 reasons a person can behave a particular way. We don't know what is going on in their movie that motivates them to act in that way. I never know how I'd behave if I were in the other shoes. Today little by little, it would be good to learn to be more forgiving. Learn to where we can come from a place of help, rather than Judgement.
Judgements are only based on what one sees, from their owns thoughts. From their own experiences. There is truly only one that knows all. that one would be and is the creator of all.
If one learns to listen to the creator as Jesus Christ revealed to all mankind. (Christ taught us, to do nothing or say nothing w/o Father's instruction first and foremost), we would make the right judgements, with out condemnation. ( coming from the one listening),much less likely
The ones that argued would reveal their true selves, as was done in the day of visitation from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Steer clear from arguements, seek the truth in all things and one shall be free from the world and it's traps.
A man must learn to understand the motives of human beings, their illusions, and their sufferings.
Are you serious? Bracelets at that time were one solid piece,one had to slide them OVER the hands in order to wear them.
Most people do realize that when one holds their arms down the bracelet rests right at the the end of the arm or wrist
area. The concept is one and the same all they are doing is describing it a bit differently. They are ALL saying the very same thing. You're nit picking on this one.
Most people do realize that when one holds their arms down the bracelet rests right at the the end of the arm or wrist
area. The concept is one and the same all they are doing is describing it a bit differently. They are ALL saying the very same thing. You're nit picking on this one.
Well here is the thing Agricola, it all goes back your heart. Are you taking time to listen to the Holy Spirit's leading and guiding? One time I once heard Kent Hovind say, that he believed that some of the translators behind the modern versions were actually sincere. But then he also said, what is it that you are understanding in the modern versions?
Since the modern translations were translated from the wrong texts, what his point was that what ever you are understanding is simply the wrong thing. Now here is another thing Agricola, and I brought this to Blain's attention. Satan is very subtil, so a lot of times, what Satan will do is, in order to deceive someone, he will bring in about somewhere over 90% truth mixed with lies.
That is just how Satan works. And if you ever study some of Satan's ministers, now I am talking about real ministers of Satan. You know, those ministers out there who won't preach on Hell, who won't preach against sin, who won't expose false prophets like Benny Hinn, and Oral Roberts, and Joel Osteen, and Creflo "Give me a dollar." Etc.
Satan's ministers are transformed as ministers of righteousness, remember that. So Satan's bibles would also look and seem almost like the real one.
Now consider this too, I used to use an NIV and a NLT. That is before God opened my eyes to the Bible Version Issue. And Bryan Denlinger used an NIV for 15 years before he was shown the truth about the new and modern bible versions. And a lot of the testimonies you hear of Christians who used to use the modern versions but now how they read and believe the King James Bible. It is amazing because once there eyes were opened to the truth, they automatically knew which Bible was God's word.
Also Agricola, ask yourself this question, have you ever met a Christian who was NIV-only? Or ESV-only? or Message-only? or let's say NKJV-only?
I know I have never met one.
I also know that there are times of grace that God will have on a Christian that is using the modern bible versions out of ignorance, and God works with people differently according as He wills. But one thing is for sure though Agricola, you have been shown the Bible Version Issue, so you will be held at a much higher level of accountability. One of the things I believe that we as Christians will have to give account for at the Judgment Seat of Christ, is how we handled the word of God. How we treated God's words.
Again Agricola, which Bible believer in here ever said that if you read another bible version that you would go to hell? Stop putting words in here that I never said. What I did say is that if you want any spiritual power in your life as a Christian, then you are going to need to submit fully to God's perfect word. You are going to need to read, trust and believe the words of the living God. And no, King James Onlyism is not dangerous, it is living without any Final Authoirty that is dangerous Agricola.
Also here is another thing to consider. A lot of the brethren that claim to be King James Only, are sometimes not really King James Bible believers. You say how is that possible? Well, Bryan Denlinger made a good point in one of his videos. He said that he was not King James Only but that he was a King James Bible believer. And that there is a difference. You see, Brother Denlinger used to use a lot of the new versions because of his work as a researcher. He did not use the new versions because he believed them, he used the new and modern versions for documentation. To show the blatant errors and problems that were in the new and modern versions. So Brother Denlinger read the new versions with a critical mentality. With the understanding that the King James Bible was the perfect and pure word of God.
Another thing is that people that are King James Only, a lot of times they will profess that they only use the KJV, but a lot of times, if there is a reading in the KJV that they do not like or that they do not agree with, then they will correct that reading in the KJV with the Greek or Hebrew. So they basically do the same thing that an Alexandrian bible agnostic will do, and that is they'll say well here in verse such and such "a better rendering would be" or "well in the Original Greek the text actually read this way." Do you see it? It is exactly the same philosophy, except you this time have people who claim to be for the King James Bible doing exactly the same thing that the modern version supporters do. So in reality, these people who claim that they are KJV Only are not really King James Bible believers, because they do not believe that the text is perfect and inerrant. Now here me out, I am not saying that all KJV Only people are like this, but there are quite a few out there that are like that. That's why I am a King James Bible believer. And am I also a KJV Only, well you can consider me a KJV Only who believes that the KJV is 100% perfect and inerrant.
Since the modern translations were translated from the wrong texts, what his point was that what ever you are understanding is simply the wrong thing. Now here is another thing Agricola, and I brought this to Blain's attention. Satan is very subtil, so a lot of times, what Satan will do is, in order to deceive someone, he will bring in about somewhere over 90% truth mixed with lies.
That is just how Satan works. And if you ever study some of Satan's ministers, now I am talking about real ministers of Satan. You know, those ministers out there who won't preach on Hell, who won't preach against sin, who won't expose false prophets like Benny Hinn, and Oral Roberts, and Joel Osteen, and Creflo "Give me a dollar." Etc.
Satan's ministers are transformed as ministers of righteousness, remember that. So Satan's bibles would also look and seem almost like the real one.
Now consider this too, I used to use an NIV and a NLT. That is before God opened my eyes to the Bible Version Issue. And Bryan Denlinger used an NIV for 15 years before he was shown the truth about the new and modern bible versions. And a lot of the testimonies you hear of Christians who used to use the modern versions but now how they read and believe the King James Bible. It is amazing because once there eyes were opened to the truth, they automatically knew which Bible was God's word.
Also Agricola, ask yourself this question, have you ever met a Christian who was NIV-only? Or ESV-only? or Message-only? or let's say NKJV-only?
I know I have never met one.
I also know that there are times of grace that God will have on a Christian that is using the modern bible versions out of ignorance, and God works with people differently according as He wills. But one thing is for sure though Agricola, you have been shown the Bible Version Issue, so you will be held at a much higher level of accountability. One of the things I believe that we as Christians will have to give account for at the Judgment Seat of Christ, is how we handled the word of God. How we treated God's words.
Again Agricola, which Bible believer in here ever said that if you read another bible version that you would go to hell? Stop putting words in here that I never said. What I did say is that if you want any spiritual power in your life as a Christian, then you are going to need to submit fully to God's perfect word. You are going to need to read, trust and believe the words of the living God. And no, King James Onlyism is not dangerous, it is living without any Final Authoirty that is dangerous Agricola.
Also here is another thing to consider. A lot of the brethren that claim to be King James Only, are sometimes not really King James Bible believers. You say how is that possible? Well, Bryan Denlinger made a good point in one of his videos. He said that he was not King James Only but that he was a King James Bible believer. And that there is a difference. You see, Brother Denlinger used to use a lot of the new versions because of his work as a researcher. He did not use the new versions because he believed them, he used the new and modern versions for documentation. To show the blatant errors and problems that were in the new and modern versions. So Brother Denlinger read the new versions with a critical mentality. With the understanding that the King James Bible was the perfect and pure word of God.
Another thing is that people that are King James Only, a lot of times they will profess that they only use the KJV, but a lot of times, if there is a reading in the KJV that they do not like or that they do not agree with, then they will correct that reading in the KJV with the Greek or Hebrew. So they basically do the same thing that an Alexandrian bible agnostic will do, and that is they'll say well here in verse such and such "a better rendering would be" or "well in the Original Greek the text actually read this way." Do you see it? It is exactly the same philosophy, except you this time have people who claim to be for the King James Bible doing exactly the same thing that the modern version supporters do. So in reality, these people who claim that they are KJV Only are not really King James Bible believers, because they do not believe that the text is perfect and inerrant. Now here me out, I am not saying that all KJV Only people are like this, but there are quite a few out there that are like that. That's why I am a King James Bible believer. And am I also a KJV Only, well you can consider me a KJV Only who believes that the KJV is 100% perfect and inerrant.
I can TOTALLY understand you ... I find many churches and 'christians' these days cold and plastic, the churches want money and your time; and a significant number of Christians extend their hand in a plastic love, those that are nice, and the others are just cold reptiles...I have found..., not a great deal are genuine, but are trying to win brownie points to their status in heaven in their mind by trying to convert you to their 'thinking' about what God and Christ is or should be for you...
...blatant, but that is how I find it. I visit about 3 or 4 churches, rotating --- still have not found one that is truly suitable for me..., and is how I find it and have seen it to date with some Christians and interactions and non-interactions with them --- and sometimes the yoga center down the road seems that much friendlier and more genuinely welcoming...
...I have no time for plastic Christians, plastic churches and those full of themselves with some unique to themselves distancing 'self-rightousness' ... I only have time for the Truth that sets me free - and that Truth is the real God and the real Christ - that actually gives a genuine stuff about me, and those near me --- nothing less will do --- as Christ said, the 'Truth will set you free'...
I have had some great fellowship in some Messianic groups for a season, but odd things happen everywhere at some point in time...I do love a good genuine fellowship and church/group however...where to find that...., God knows...its a wilderness spiritually out there...
...blatant, but that is how I find it. I visit about 3 or 4 churches, rotating --- still have not found one that is truly suitable for me..., and is how I find it and have seen it to date with some Christians and interactions and non-interactions with them --- and sometimes the yoga center down the road seems that much friendlier and more genuinely welcoming...
...I have no time for plastic Christians, plastic churches and those full of themselves with some unique to themselves distancing 'self-rightousness' ... I only have time for the Truth that sets me free - and that Truth is the real God and the real Christ - that actually gives a genuine stuff about me, and those near me --- nothing less will do --- as Christ said, the 'Truth will set you free'...
I have had some great fellowship in some Messianic groups for a season, but odd things happen everywhere at some point in time...I do love a good genuine fellowship and church/group however...where to find that...., God knows...its a wilderness spiritually out there...
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The King James bible is nowhere near perfect and inerrant. The first 1611 bibles had the apocrypha in them and King James insisted it was 'canon' , as well as a zodiacal calendar. The first series of translations were also full of errors, where one of the translators was actually drunk much of the time. It was not until the Oxford press printing that it was cleaned up somewhat, however much of the catholic dhouy-rheims translation from the vulgate was still there, ie: charity instead of love, and 1 John 5:8 which was added from the monk 'Froys' footnotes, and is not in the original text.
In addition, King James sponsored the rewriting of the Bishops Bible which became the King James Bible due to the fact that he didn't like the bible of the reformers, ie: the Geneva bible (the first bible with verses and chapters in English) due to the footnotes in there by the reformers which stated that the Egyptian midwives did the right thing by disobeying the Pharoah and hiding Moses. King James regarded this as 'seditious'. The footnotes also stated that the seat of the pope was the antichrist. It should also be noted; that King James was a homosexual and perverse man by historical records, and would do perverse things like kill an animal and roll around in its blood laughing. It was easier for him to 'appear charitable' than to actually 'show love', hence 'charity instead of love' in the translation suited him to the ground...
I use the NASB when the original Hebrew/Greek is not around, as the most accurate word for word translation commonly available, although it does have a number of flaws, and in some instances some passages in the KJV are more correct to a minor percentage, but overall the NASB is more correct..., not one is totally as it should be, only the original Hebrew and Greek are the closest, even the Aramaic NT..., so its just nonsense to promote the KJV only scenario --- I used to believe that when I did not know better, until I researched and found it to be far from true - however, it is much better than the word for meaning modern translations such as NIV etc...
In addition, King James sponsored the rewriting of the Bishops Bible which became the King James Bible due to the fact that he didn't like the bible of the reformers, ie: the Geneva bible (the first bible with verses and chapters in English) due to the footnotes in there by the reformers which stated that the Egyptian midwives did the right thing by disobeying the Pharoah and hiding Moses. King James regarded this as 'seditious'. The footnotes also stated that the seat of the pope was the antichrist. It should also be noted; that King James was a homosexual and perverse man by historical records, and would do perverse things like kill an animal and roll around in its blood laughing. It was easier for him to 'appear charitable' than to actually 'show love', hence 'charity instead of love' in the translation suited him to the ground...
I use the NASB when the original Hebrew/Greek is not around, as the most accurate word for word translation commonly available, although it does have a number of flaws, and in some instances some passages in the KJV are more correct to a minor percentage, but overall the NASB is more correct..., not one is totally as it should be, only the original Hebrew and Greek are the closest, even the Aramaic NT..., so its just nonsense to promote the KJV only scenario --- I used to believe that when I did not know better, until I researched and found it to be far from true - however, it is much better than the word for meaning modern translations such as NIV etc...
Again Homwardbound, not only was the original Hebrew and Greek texts inerrant and perfect, but so is the English Bible which we have today, which is the King James Authorized Version.
Okay, I get the picture and understanding from reading the text here of what it is trying to get across, but remember Homwardbound, Satan is subtil, he will give you 90 to 98% truth and then bring in his lies, because that way, he can deceive more people. Rat poison is about 98-99% good, edible food with about 1% or less poison in it.
Yep that's perfect. That is exactly how the text reads. It is talking about how when a person get's saved, he is now a new creature in Christ Jesus. He is a changed person. And the ministry of reconciliation is basically going out and witnessing to the lost. And getting them saved by the preaching of the Gospel. Hence we have the ministry of reconciliation. And we also have the word of reconciliation since God hath committed it unto us. Therefore we are now ambassadors for the Lord Jesus Christ and whatsoever we do, we should do it to glorify Him and to we should do it to the glory of God.
Well, I can still get the meaning of what the passage is trying to say. But there is one issue I have here, and that is they remove the phrase: "if any man be in Christ." They changed it to "when a man becomes a new creature in Christ." You see, now it is a process. Now is sanctification a process? Absolutely. But the real Bible says: Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new (2 Cor. 5:17). In other words, the man is automatically a new creature. And of course, he will still struggle in the flesh as we know Paul did (See Romans 7), but the point here is, the text doesn't say when a man becomes a new creature in Christ. The true text says, If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature.
There is also an issue here Homwardbound, they alter the text again. And they alter it greatly. Notice the previous example which I gave you. The Scriptures declare that if a person is in Christ, then they are a new creature. The Message translation does not say "In Christ." The Message says "and we see that anyone united with the Messiah." So no longer does someone have to be in Christ, they just have to be united with Him. That may not seem like a big change to you Homwardbound, but it is a big change in terms of Doctrine.
Now in a sense are we united with Christ? Well in a way you could consider that to be so, but still that is not what the Bible says. The Bible teaches that if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature.
When a person gets saved, two main miraculous things happen at once. 1) That person is baptized into the Body of Christ and becomes bone of His bone and flesh of His flesh. (See 1 Corinthians 12:12-14, 27 & Ephesians 5:30). And 2) That person is sealed with the Holy Spirit of God unto the Day of Redemption ( See Ephesians 1:13 and also Ephesians 4:30).
So when the Message translation changes the phrase: "If any man be in Christ" to "anyone united with Christ" they are changing important Bible Doctrine. Okay? You have to be in Christ to be His.
Well again, I can see the overall message even in the NLT but the point is, it is not as strong as the King James Bible.
It is so watered down, I mean when you read these new and modern translations, it doesn't even sound like your reading the Bible! Well that's because the modern translations are false bibles. Remember they may have a lot of truth in them, but they do not have the whole truth.
Plus the NLT removes a biblical term like "Flesh." And replaces it with the term "Human." Human is not a Bible word. Human does not appear anywhere in the Authorized King James Bible.
Also, remember this verse Homwardbound:
A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. - Galatians 5:9 (Holy Bible)
Yes Homwardbound, that passage of Scripture is talking about our Spiritual condition and standing after we accept Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Saviour. That is what that passage of Scripture is teaching. It is teaching us that we are all one in Christ Jesus. That is our spiritual standing in Christ. So if a gentile gets saved, he is now a Christian. And if a Jew gets saved, he also is now a Christian. There is no distinction in the Church Age. But there will be a distinction in the time of Jacob's trouble. Which will take place after the Rapture of the Body of Christ.
Now Homwardbound, having addressed each of those responses of yours now, I want to show you some of the leaven and distortions of the Scriptures that are contained within the modern bible versions.
Okay, I get the picture and understanding from reading the text here of what it is trying to get across, but remember Homwardbound, Satan is subtil, he will give you 90 to 98% truth and then bring in his lies, because that way, he can deceive more people. Rat poison is about 98-99% good, edible food with about 1% or less poison in it.
Yep that's perfect. That is exactly how the text reads. It is talking about how when a person get's saved, he is now a new creature in Christ Jesus. He is a changed person. And the ministry of reconciliation is basically going out and witnessing to the lost. And getting them saved by the preaching of the Gospel. Hence we have the ministry of reconciliation. And we also have the word of reconciliation since God hath committed it unto us. Therefore we are now ambassadors for the Lord Jesus Christ and whatsoever we do, we should do it to glorify Him and to we should do it to the glory of God.
Well, I can still get the meaning of what the passage is trying to say. But there is one issue I have here, and that is they remove the phrase: "if any man be in Christ." They changed it to "when a man becomes a new creature in Christ." You see, now it is a process. Now is sanctification a process? Absolutely. But the real Bible says: Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new (2 Cor. 5:17). In other words, the man is automatically a new creature. And of course, he will still struggle in the flesh as we know Paul did (See Romans 7), but the point here is, the text doesn't say when a man becomes a new creature in Christ. The true text says, If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature.
There is also an issue here Homwardbound, they alter the text again. And they alter it greatly. Notice the previous example which I gave you. The Scriptures declare that if a person is in Christ, then they are a new creature. The Message translation does not say "In Christ." The Message says "and we see that anyone united with the Messiah." So no longer does someone have to be in Christ, they just have to be united with Him. That may not seem like a big change to you Homwardbound, but it is a big change in terms of Doctrine.
Now in a sense are we united with Christ? Well in a way you could consider that to be so, but still that is not what the Bible says. The Bible teaches that if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature.
When a person gets saved, two main miraculous things happen at once. 1) That person is baptized into the Body of Christ and becomes bone of His bone and flesh of His flesh. (See 1 Corinthians 12:12-14, 27 & Ephesians 5:30). And 2) That person is sealed with the Holy Spirit of God unto the Day of Redemption ( See Ephesians 1:13 and also Ephesians 4:30).
So when the Message translation changes the phrase: "If any man be in Christ" to "anyone united with Christ" they are changing important Bible Doctrine. Okay? You have to be in Christ to be His.
Well again, I can see the overall message even in the NLT but the point is, it is not as strong as the King James Bible.
It is so watered down, I mean when you read these new and modern translations, it doesn't even sound like your reading the Bible! Well that's because the modern translations are false bibles. Remember they may have a lot of truth in them, but they do not have the whole truth.
Plus the NLT removes a biblical term like "Flesh." And replaces it with the term "Human." Human is not a Bible word. Human does not appear anywhere in the Authorized King James Bible.
Also, remember this verse Homwardbound:
A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. - Galatians 5:9 (Holy Bible)
Yes Homwardbound, that passage of Scripture is talking about our Spiritual condition and standing after we accept Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Saviour. That is what that passage of Scripture is teaching. It is teaching us that we are all one in Christ Jesus. That is our spiritual standing in Christ. So if a gentile gets saved, he is now a Christian. And if a Jew gets saved, he also is now a Christian. There is no distinction in the Church Age. But there will be a distinction in the time of Jacob's trouble. Which will take place after the Rapture of the Body of Christ.
Now Homwardbound, having addressed each of those responses of yours now, I want to show you some of the leaven and distortions of the Scriptures that are contained within the modern bible versions.
Here is a serious error that is contained in the modern perversions.
Now I will first give you the true reading, the reading that is from God's perfect and infallible word, the King James Bible and then I will give you the readings that are in the modern perversions. Let's start with 1 Corinthians 1:18
1 Corinthians 1:18
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
New International Version (©2011)
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
New Living Translation (©2007)
The message of the cross is foolish to those who are headed for destruction! But we who are being saved know it is the very power of God.
English Standard Version (©2001)
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but it is God's power to us who are being saved.
International Standard Version (©2012)
For the message about the cross is nonsense to those who are being destroyed, but it is God's power to us who are being saved.
NET Bible (©2006)
For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
The message about the cross is nonsense to those who are being destroyed, but it is God's power to us who are being saved.
Now Homwardbound, question for you. What is different about the modern translations?
Are they saying the same thing?
Nope. The Modern Translations commit blasphemy in this verse. They change two doctrinal truths. Two important doctrinal truths are destroyed here in the modern perversions.
You say, what are they?
Well first, the modern translations say that it is the message that is foolishness to those who are lost. And that is complete blasphemy. And of course they are talking about the message of the Cross. Basically the message of the Gospel. That is one way that you can tell that these modern bible versions are NOT of the Lord.
The Bible says that it is the METHOD (which is preaching) that is considered foolishness to the lost. Not the MESSAGE. But it is the PREACHING of the Cross that is to them that perish foolishness. There is a difference.
You see Homwardbound, there is a lot more to this Bible Version Issue and Controversy than you may think. And the more deeper you study into the Bible Version Issue, you will find that out, just like I did. There are many doctrines that get changed and distorted in the modern bible versions. And this one here I just showed you is a very serious one.
Now notice the other thing that the modern versions change. Notice how the modern perversions remove PREACHING from their text. Now why is that? Well, maybe it is because the Devil hates preaching. I mean think about it Homwardbound, God chose Preaching as the method He would use to reconcile the lost to Himself. He ordained the preaching of the Cross, the preaching of the Gospel as His method of winning and gaining the lost. And because of this truth, the Devil hates and despises preaching. Hence, preaching is removed from this passage and some other passages as well. Now remember, the Devil is subtil, so he is not going to totally remove preaching from his modern bibles, but he will remove it in very important passages where it deals with and has to do with the cross.
No wonder there is not too much good sound Bible preaching anymore, because these days most of the mega and modern churches use the modern versions which take out Preaching!
These modern versions take out preaching from the Scripture in important passages like the one given above.
So again, it is not the Message that is considered foolishness. It is the Preaching that is considered foolishness to them that perish. In other words, it is the METHOD. And NOT THE MESSAGE!
And another thing that should be addressed is the change that the new versions make in regard to salvation. Notice they say "those that are BEING saved."
I thought Salvation was a one time event. I thought Salvation was instantaneous. Well, it is. But not according to the modern perversions.
Because they teach that we are BEING saved. It is no longer us which ARE Saved. Again, it is just another subtil change of an important doctrinal truth.
So the truth of the matter is that we ARE SAVED. We are NOT BEING SAVED, but we are saved.
And let's see, who teaches that salvation is a process? Oh yea, that's right, it is the Roman Catholic church that teaches that. Because they teach works salvation, which is also why they teach that you can lose your salvation. See how it all adds up? See how it is all connected together. How one heresy lines up with another heresy?
So not only do the modern perversions commit serious blasphemy in 1 Corinthians 1:18, but they also teach works salvation in the very same passage. And you guys wonder why I call these modern bible perversions Catholic bibles? Because they are Catholic bibles, they teach Catholic doctrine.
Utterly ridiculous. This is the danger of cherry picking verses and failing to use correct context. King James Only Cult has cherry picked this verse and made and issue out of it, when there is none.
This alone shows the foolishness and intellectual stupidity of King James Only who are twisting these scriptures to thier own perverted cultish agenda.
CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT.
So what is the problem? In short we are being told that the new versions are saying that the message of the cross is foolish, but of course in the King James it says the Preaching is foolish and the King James Only Cult are claiming its a subtle change made by Satan.
So why is this not a problem? Well Context Context Context. If you read what is really being said, lets look at the previous verese first.
It must be clear to anyone who is not a cult member of King James, that the issue with this verse is really non-existent and just a fabrication for a wider agenda to promote the cults teaching.
Non-believers say the message of the cross is foolishness, it is basic fact of life. We know how many athiests mock and scorn the message of the cross, it is the message they scorn, so later versions are correct.
To say its the PREACHING that is deemed foolishness, is implying that Paul is next to useless as a Preacher. Many atheists know a good orator and debater when they hear one, and although the message my be deemed foolish, they do not think the manner in which the argument and persuasion is delivered.
Therefore the cult of King James Only are twisting this that it is blasphemy, that the new versions are somehow telling us the message of the cross is foolish, and all this is done by satan to tell us that the message of the cross is foolish, when infact it is the King James Only Cult who are the real fools.
If you read on, it defines what the foolishness is as well and we have the famous verse most of us already know.
19 For it is written , I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
. 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified , unto the Jews a stumblingblock *, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised , hath God chosen , yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are :
29 That no * flesh should glory in his presence *.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us * wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written , He that glorieth , let him glory in the Lord.
This alone shows the foolishness and intellectual stupidity of King James Only who are twisting these scriptures to thier own perverted cultish agenda.
CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT.
So what is the problem? In short we are being told that the new versions are saying that the message of the cross is foolish, but of course in the King James it says the Preaching is foolish and the King James Only Cult are claiming its a subtle change made by Satan.
So why is this not a problem? Well Context Context Context. If you read what is really being said, lets look at the previous verese first.
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize , but to preach the gospel : not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect . 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
It must be clear to anyone who is not a cult member of King James, that the issue with this verse is really non-existent and just a fabrication for a wider agenda to promote the cults teaching.
Non-believers say the message of the cross is foolishness, it is basic fact of life. We know how many athiests mock and scorn the message of the cross, it is the message they scorn, so later versions are correct.
To say its the PREACHING that is deemed foolishness, is implying that Paul is next to useless as a Preacher. Many atheists know a good orator and debater when they hear one, and although the message my be deemed foolish, they do not think the manner in which the argument and persuasion is delivered.
Therefore the cult of King James Only are twisting this that it is blasphemy, that the new versions are somehow telling us the message of the cross is foolish, and all this is done by satan to tell us that the message of the cross is foolish, when infact it is the King James Only Cult who are the real fools.
If you read on, it defines what the foolishness is as well and we have the famous verse most of us already know.
19 For it is written , I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
. 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified , unto the Jews a stumblingblock *, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised , hath God chosen , yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are :
29 That no * flesh should glory in his presence *.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us * wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written , He that glorieth , let him glory in the Lord.
No Agricola, the new versions are wrong and in complete error. The King James Bible is right when it says that the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness.
What gave you the idea that Paul was a great orator? I know for a fact Agricola that you did not get that idea from Scripture, because it is not there.
2 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: - 1 Corinthians 2:1-7 (Holy Bible)
So again Agricola, what made you think that Paul was a good orator? I mean that is what you were implying from the statement you made above about good orators and debaters. But from reading 1 Corinthians 2:1-7, that was not the case. And what made you think that preaching and debating were somehow alike? Just because someone may be a good orator, or public speaker, or debater, that does not make them a good preacher.
So your logic is way off Agricola. It is way off. And yes, context does help.
Let me share the 1 Corinthians 1 Passage again:
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. - 1 Corinthians 1:18-24 (Holy Bible)
So from reading the passage in the context of which it is in, we can see that God ordained the method of preaching to save them that believe. And that it pleased Him to use the method of preaching.
Now having showed what the true Bible says, now let's see how the modern versions render 1 Corinthians 1:21
New International Version (©2011)
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
English Standard Version (©2001)For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
For since, in God's wisdom, the world did not know God through wisdom, God was pleased to save those who believe through the foolishness of the message preached.
International Standard Version (©2012)
For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not know God, God was pleased to save those who believe through the nonsense of our preaching.
So now you have seen that the modern perversions commit more blasphemy in 1 Cor. 1:21. They teach that it is the message that is foolishness when IT IS NOT! It is the Method. NOT the MESSAGE.
Now on the contrary though and surprisingly, Daniel Wallace's Net Bible actually gets it right this time. Since it shows that it is the METHOD that is considered foolish and NOT the message.
NET Bible (©2006)
For since in the wisdom of God the world by its wisdom did not know God, God was pleased to save those who believe by the foolishness of preaching.
Again Agricola, there is a difference between Preaching and Debating. Just as there is a difference between a preacher and a public speaker, or a good orator. They aren't the same, so stop confusing them. Stop confusing the one with the other.
And again, the text of the King James Is right and it is absolutely correct.
What gave you the idea that Paul was a great orator? I know for a fact Agricola that you did not get that idea from Scripture, because it is not there.
2 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: - 1 Corinthians 2:1-7 (Holy Bible)
So again Agricola, what made you think that Paul was a good orator? I mean that is what you were implying from the statement you made above about good orators and debaters. But from reading 1 Corinthians 2:1-7, that was not the case. And what made you think that preaching and debating were somehow alike? Just because someone may be a good orator, or public speaker, or debater, that does not make them a good preacher.
So your logic is way off Agricola. It is way off. And yes, context does help.
Let me share the 1 Corinthians 1 Passage again:
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. - 1 Corinthians 1:18-24 (Holy Bible)
So from reading the passage in the context of which it is in, we can see that God ordained the method of preaching to save them that believe. And that it pleased Him to use the method of preaching.
Now having showed what the true Bible says, now let's see how the modern versions render 1 Corinthians 1:21
New International Version (©2011)
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
English Standard Version (©2001)For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
For since, in God's wisdom, the world did not know God through wisdom, God was pleased to save those who believe through the foolishness of the message preached.
International Standard Version (©2012)
For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not know God, God was pleased to save those who believe through the nonsense of our preaching.
So now you have seen that the modern perversions commit more blasphemy in 1 Cor. 1:21. They teach that it is the message that is foolishness when IT IS NOT! It is the Method. NOT the MESSAGE.
Now on the contrary though and surprisingly, Daniel Wallace's Net Bible actually gets it right this time. Since it shows that it is the METHOD that is considered foolish and NOT the message.
NET Bible (©2006)
For since in the wisdom of God the world by its wisdom did not know God, God was pleased to save those who believe by the foolishness of preaching.
Again Agricola, there is a difference between Preaching and Debating. Just as there is a difference between a preacher and a public speaker, or a good orator. They aren't the same, so stop confusing them. Stop confusing the one with the other.
And again, the text of the King James Is right and it is absolutely correct.
TigerScent777, if the King James Bible is not the perfect word of God like you say it is, then which Bible out there is the perfect and inerrant word of God?
I am aware that the apocrypha was in the Original 1611 King James Bible. And you claim that King James insisted it was canon, where is your proof? Where is the evidence to validate your statement?
King James was not a homosexual TigerScent777, do not be deceived by those false rumors out there. Back in that time the penalty for Sodomy was to be hanged. Sodomy was a crime that could get you executed back in the early 17th century.
In 1650, 25 years after the death of King James, it was Anthony Weldon who wrote a paper slandering and falsely calling James a sodomite. Now shortly afterward, that report was ignored for the most part because there were still people alive who knew that the rumor was not true. So no, King James was not a homosexual. Do not believe those false rumors.
King James was an evangelist of the Gospel. And he had his enemies. King James identified the pope as antichrist. See what Catholic ambassador had to say about King James:
"He is a Protestant...the King tries to extend his Protestant religion to the whole island. The King is a bitter enemy of our religion. He frequently speaks of it in terms of contempt. He is all the harsher because of this last conspiracy against his life...He understood that the Jesuits had a hand in it."
Now here is further proof that King James was NOT a Homosexual:
In his work; the Basilicon Doron, King James wrote:
"There are some horrible crimes that ye are bound in conscience never to forgive: such as witchcraft, willful murder, incest, and sodomy."
King James also wrote against soft delicacies in a man:
"But especially eschew to be effeminate in your clothes, in perfuming, preening, or such like...and make not a fool of yourself in diguising or wearing long your hair or nails, which are but excrements of nature...Guard against corrupt leide and effeminate ones."
And here is the bottom line Tigerscent777:
There is no recorded objective documentation that King James ever practiced or promoted sodomy, the historical record only knows of King James' heterosexuality and condemnation of sodomy.
You should get a copy of the book: King James Unjustly Accused?
TigerScent777, the Original Hebrew and Greek is not around today, it vanished a long time ago. And no, the King James Bible is the perfect and pure word of God. And the modern bible versions, starting with the RV of 1881 are all counterfeits.
And by the way TigerScent777, who told you that only the Original Hebrew and Greek are the closest?
We have to have a perfect standard on this Earth. God gave to us His word. And you can either accept that he did or you can choose not to. I, however, choose to believe God's promise to preserve His pure words (See Psalm 12).
I am aware that the apocrypha was in the Original 1611 King James Bible. And you claim that King James insisted it was canon, where is your proof? Where is the evidence to validate your statement?
King James was not a homosexual TigerScent777, do not be deceived by those false rumors out there. Back in that time the penalty for Sodomy was to be hanged. Sodomy was a crime that could get you executed back in the early 17th century.
In 1650, 25 years after the death of King James, it was Anthony Weldon who wrote a paper slandering and falsely calling James a sodomite. Now shortly afterward, that report was ignored for the most part because there were still people alive who knew that the rumor was not true. So no, King James was not a homosexual. Do not believe those false rumors.
King James was an evangelist of the Gospel. And he had his enemies. King James identified the pope as antichrist. See what Catholic ambassador had to say about King James:
"He is a Protestant...the King tries to extend his Protestant religion to the whole island. The King is a bitter enemy of our religion. He frequently speaks of it in terms of contempt. He is all the harsher because of this last conspiracy against his life...He understood that the Jesuits had a hand in it."
Now here is further proof that King James was NOT a Homosexual:
In his work; the Basilicon Doron, King James wrote:
"There are some horrible crimes that ye are bound in conscience never to forgive: such as witchcraft, willful murder, incest, and sodomy."
King James also wrote against soft delicacies in a man:
"But especially eschew to be effeminate in your clothes, in perfuming, preening, or such like...and make not a fool of yourself in diguising or wearing long your hair or nails, which are but excrements of nature...Guard against corrupt leide and effeminate ones."
And here is the bottom line Tigerscent777:
There is no recorded objective documentation that King James ever practiced or promoted sodomy, the historical record only knows of King James' heterosexuality and condemnation of sodomy.
You should get a copy of the book: King James Unjustly Accused?
TigerScent777, the Original Hebrew and Greek is not around today, it vanished a long time ago. And no, the King James Bible is the perfect and pure word of God. And the modern bible versions, starting with the RV of 1881 are all counterfeits.
And by the way TigerScent777, who told you that only the Original Hebrew and Greek are the closest?
We have to have a perfect standard on this Earth. God gave to us His word. And you can either accept that he did or you can choose not to. I, however, choose to believe God's promise to preserve His pure words (See Psalm 12).
So you do agree with later version are right after all, as I said all non beleivers think the message of the cross is foolish, which is what is being conveyed here. It is not blasphemy to say "People thought the message of the cross was foolish". If the statement being made was "The Message of the Cross is foolish", then yes that is blasphemy, but the passages do not say that, it is other peoples opinion that it was all foolish, therefore its not blasphemy or trying to tell us the message of cross is wrong.
So here we have it follks, if this is not the actions of a cult, then what is? The rest of the post demonstrates a totally blinkered view which again twists things to own agenda. Of course these more heavier verses are being to be tied in with theology, which no obvious conclusion can be drawn, which should be familiar with people who like debating timing of rapture for example, who use same verses to put their point across.
However when you go back to the other verses, arguing over nose rings and was it a wrist bracelet or arm bracelet, destroys all intellectual credibility that this cult claims it has, it demonstrates that it is a cult which worships King James Bible.
This is also demonstrated that just by changing one word, from Easter To Passover to this cult is also a blasphemy which is the work of Satan. That shows how you can not take this cult seriously and you should have nothing to do with likes of Chosen by Him.
Following this cult will just bind you and blinker your growth in Christ and you will just focus on being obsessed with finding "errors" in other translations.
OF course I will still continue to read the King James but I will also do so side by side with other versions, concordance and study notes, not forgetting the Holy Spirit.
I still have not had a proper reply from this cult that if it is so bad reading any other veresion, why has not the Holy Spirit told me direct when I pick up and read the NIV?
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It also makes one wonder why he never includes the footnotes where there is a question on a verse in the NIV. For all the years I have used the NIV I have never questioned Jesus deity,virgin birth,that He was and is sinless,et al. The Lord's promise is that the Holy Spirit would lead us into all truth. I do still use the KJV,but there are words that no longer mean the same thing then as they do now. The English itself has changed,let alone you have words that are no longer used.
A good example of this is the Christmas Carol "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" Taken in our understanding of the word merry it does not make sense because when the carol was written in the 1500's the word merry had a much different meaning
When modern people say “Merry” Christmas, the word merry means happy. When “God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen” was written, merry had a very different meaning. Robin Hood’s “Merry Men” might have been happy, but the merry that described them meant great and mighty. Thus, in the Middle Ages, a strong army was a merry army, a great singer was a merry singer, and a mighty ruler was a merry ruler.
So when the English carolers of the Victorian era sang, “merry gentlemen,” they meant great or mighty men. Ye means you, but even when translated to “God rest you mighty gentlemen,” the song still makes very little sense. This is due to another word that has a much different meaning in today’s world and a lost punctuation mark.
The word rest in “God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen” simply means keep or make. Yet to completely uncover the final key to solving this mystery of meaning, a comma needs to be placed after the word “merry.” Therefore, in modern English, the first line of “God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen” should read “God make you mighty, gentlemen.” Using this translation, the old carol suddenly makes perfect sense, as does the most common saying of the holidays, “Merry Christmas.”
Stories behind Christmas Songs
StoriesBehindChristmasSongs
Part of the problem is English is still a living breathing language and it still changes over time,the only languages that do not change are the dead languages that no one still speaks.
A good example of this is the Christmas Carol "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" Taken in our understanding of the word merry it does not make sense because when the carol was written in the 1500's the word merry had a much different meaning
When modern people say “Merry” Christmas, the word merry means happy. When “God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen” was written, merry had a very different meaning. Robin Hood’s “Merry Men” might have been happy, but the merry that described them meant great and mighty. Thus, in the Middle Ages, a strong army was a merry army, a great singer was a merry singer, and a mighty ruler was a merry ruler.
So when the English carolers of the Victorian era sang, “merry gentlemen,” they meant great or mighty men. Ye means you, but even when translated to “God rest you mighty gentlemen,” the song still makes very little sense. This is due to another word that has a much different meaning in today’s world and a lost punctuation mark.
The word rest in “God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen” simply means keep or make. Yet to completely uncover the final key to solving this mystery of meaning, a comma needs to be placed after the word “merry.” Therefore, in modern English, the first line of “God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen” should read “God make you mighty, gentlemen.” Using this translation, the old carol suddenly makes perfect sense, as does the most common saying of the holidays, “Merry Christmas.”
Stories behind Christmas Songs
StoriesBehindChristmasSongs
Part of the problem is English is still a living breathing language and it still changes over time,the only languages that do not change are the dead languages that no one still speaks.
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