The Logic of Gay Marriage Equality

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charisenexcelcis

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I'm not gay but is it really any better in gods eyes for me to go and get drunk in las vegas and marry a man whos name I don't know yeah I know its a sin to be gay but I don't think that god approves of you judging them most of the people that know that are gay had been sexually abused or even physically abused to a point of confusion and distrust sexual abused causes major mental and emotional scars we are better of in a society with gay men and women then pedophiles
It is important that we separate homosexuals from homosexuality. God loves homosexuals. But homosexuality is an abomination for what it does to the one who practices it.

Regarding what you say concerning the homosexual, if that is the cause, why shouldn't we seek a cure rather than let them live in the torment of their mental and emotional scars?
 
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It is important that we separate homosexuals from homosexuality. God loves homosexuals. But homosexuality is an abomination for what it does to the one who practices it.

Regarding what you say concerning the homosexual, if that is the cause, why shouldn't we seek a cure rather than let them live in the torment of their mental and emotional scars?
That may be the cause in some cases, I'm not sure, but I do know for a fact that not everyone who is gay had something tramatic go on in childhood


*edit: I quoted your post not realizing it wouldn't quote the one you quoted as well lol
 
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Good Read and I totally agree, this Nation is heading down and has for a long time...lol
 
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Good Read and I totally agree, this Nation is heading down and has for a long time...lol
The world is heading down, and has for a long time
 

zone

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Well that's something neither of us can know for sure, I agree we are on a very bad path but we can't know how things will unfold in the future although I sure am not confident at this moment in time.

But I don't agree there is no potential for things to improve, many things must change and I've no doubt by the time I reach your age things will be very different, but I won't live with such a cynical outlook as to believe that it will only get worse, even if it looks that way today.

somebody's already posted this i'm sure, but a reminder of what is SET FORTH AS AN EXAMPLE.
the discomfort with God's Word is that there is no wiggle room whatsoever.

no one will be able to say they did not know: certainly people who have access to the Scriptures and STILL say they don't know will be in real trouble.

this seems a no-brainer, but gee! there's a reason we refer to homosexuality as sodomy: "Sodom"

Jude 1:7
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

same is true for the warnings against theft and murder and lying and all of it.
so what do we do?
REPENT and receive forgiveness of sins....and stop sinning, as Jesus said, or something worse may happen to you.
i need forgiveness everyday.
 
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"4. Do I have (or ever had in North American history) the right to marry another man? No, the Canadian and American governments never allowed any heterosexual the right to marry within the same sex."




I haven't read the entire thread and all of its posts, but please explain...
 

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"4. Do I have (or ever had in North American history) the right to marry another man? No, the Canadian and American governments never allowed any heterosexual the right to marry within the same sex."




I haven't read the entire thread and all of its posts, but please explain...
"God is dead." - Nietzsche, 1886
"Nietzsche is dead." - God, 1900

wow.
everytime i see this i shiver.
 
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Read the posts in the thread.

"4. Do I have (or ever had in North American history) the right to marry another man? No, the Canadian and American governments never allowed any heterosexual the right to marry within the same sex."




I haven't read the entire thread and all of its posts, but please explain...
 
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It is important that we separate homosexuals from homosexuality. God loves homosexuals. But homosexuality is an abomination for what it does to the one who practices it.

Regarding what you say concerning the homosexual, if that is the cause, why shouldn't we seek a cure rather than let them live in the torment of their mental and emotional scars?


I agree with charisenexcelcis.... god hates the sin not the sinner, although i think the only 'cure' for homsexuality is Christ

Gay marrige is wrong, yes. and we should discourage and stand against it, for sure, but should we cut off friends/famliy cause they are gay? i don't think so because loving people, and showing how life is supposed to be is more imortant but thats my opinion i guess :)
 
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charisenexcelcis

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I agree with charisenexcelcis.... god hates the sin not the sinner, although i think the only 'cure' for homsexuality is Christ

Gay marrige is wrong, yes. and we should discourage and stand against it, for sure, but should we cut off friends/famliy cause they are gay? i don't think so because loving people, and showing how life is supposed to be is more imortant but thats my opinion i guess :)
I agree. Christ fellowshipped with those who were cut off by their sins from the rest of society. Just make sure that you are spiritually strong enough, or rather that you allow the Holy Sprit to be strong enough in you.
 

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Read the posts in the thread.



"4. Do I have (or ever had in North American history) the right to marry another man? No, the Canadian and American governments never allowed any heterosexual the right to marry within the same sex."


Still doesn't make any sense to me... I couldn't find posts dealing with this particular matter (could you point them out to me?)

Under what circumstances will the Government of Canada (or my province, to be more precise) deny me the right to marry another male, homosexual or not?
 

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Greetings Red Tory, I appreciate your participation in this thread (and it is always good to see another Canadian on this site).

My main point in this thread was to deal with the definition of the word "equality" that the homosexual movement used (and continues to use) in order to attain marriage rights. When I raised my fourth point that "I as a heterosexual never had the right to marry another man" I meant that historically in Canada's history. Right now men have the right to marry other men in Canada, but that is only a recent development. Before homosexuals were allowed to marry in Canada, their main argument to gain marriage rights was to use "equality" with heterosexuals in which to further their cause. I was attempting to critique their logical use of the word "equality" because for them to gain the right to marry other men, they were not getting equal rights with everyone else (since no other social group historically had the right to marry within the same sex) but rather they were attempting to gain a brand new right for themselves.

So in my opinion, the homosexual movement purposely misused the word "equality" to build public and government support in order to gain a right that never existed before in Canada's history. And in this thread I wanted to hear other people's opinion as to whether or not this is a legitimate critique of the homosexual movements use of the word "equality." In an earlier post, Traderjane mentioned a court case in the U.S. called "Loving vs Virginia" in which they apparently dealt with this one particular issue. But I have not yet had a chance to check out that case and the arguments used during the proceedings.

I re-read my initial post and I see I could have stated my argument much more clearly. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

In Christ, Matthew
 
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Scripture never lists homosexuality as the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah. Read Elijah's list: Top of the list is that they did not take care of the poor. Homosexuality is never mentioned.
 
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Scripture never lists homosexuality as the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah. Read Elijah's list: Top of the list is that they did not take care of the poor. Homosexuality is never mentioned.
Post this list so we all can see it please
 
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BTW, thanks for resurrecting this thread. Some of the best arguments against homosexuality I've ever heard. :)
 
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Post this list so we all can see it please
Ezekiel 16

48 As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, your sister Sodomand her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done.
49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

Thomas is correct in the fact it does NOT specifically say homosexuality but it IS included
within the context of detestable things. Doing detestable things also included human sacrifice,sacrifice of children to Molech,etc.



 
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For clarity sake, I will repeat my one single question for this thread - What "specific" marriage right(s) do heterosexuals have that homosexuals do not have themselves?

$$$

It all boils down to monetary and tax advantages that heterosexuals enjoy over homosexuals.

Societies have always been setup to encourage heterosexual activity as this is what sustains it in the first place!

Its like pulling teeth to get this out of the gay community, however, that is my experience from discussions with them...they want the same monetary advantages...
 
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Who someone can and can't love is already limited, as stated in the original post, for both heterosexuals and homosexuals, "equally". The problem is that those limits are limited to the one kind of human a heterosexual male would want to marry - an adult female. That's where it isn't equal, because quite obviously a homosexual male wouldn't want to marry an adult female.

There was a time when blacks couldn't marry whites. Did the limit require the adult female to be of the same skin color as the heterosexual male?

Alright i see why people think what they do, I just dont think we should be trying to say who people can and cant love. IN the US they at least no the ramifications of what we think about what they are doing. They dont care. And while I will never goes as far as to be an 'activist' and participate in pro-marriage rallies or whatever, I will not vote against it.