Judge this abortion case
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Can you just leave a child at a hospital though? Like even saying you didnt get an abortion because you thought it to be wrong, and hadn't found anyone for an adoption, would you have to keep the kid or would the hospital take care of it? I mean I guess that would be better than abortion if you didnt want to raise it
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All life is hung on by a tiny tiny "silver cord" as that old hymn goes. How prideful of us mere humans to assume & usurp God's authority on the matter of life. And how very human it is to try and figure out our own lives without God's authority IN it. That is where we go wrong in our choices every time. All life is precious in HIS sight and HE alone is the AUTHOR of life. Romans 3:4 Let God be found true though every human being is false and a liar...
Some issues are not left up for debate. God sent His Son Jesus to pay for the sins of the world. There is no other way., For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through HIM might be saved. One way. We can't add to or take away from Jesus. Then we build on to that truth as we learn of Jesus.
We also have been told not to take life. And especially the unborn who have no one to speak for them. As Christians we must speak for them., not waffle trying to please everyone's personal situation because we entered the realm of "human reasoning". Quality of life IS a very sad excuse for abortion. For no one knows but God the quality of anyone's life.
No matter how confusing our lives get, we must hold fast to the truths God has shown us regardless of how we may feel about the consequences of our problems. Don't take the "human" way out-- Because it is NOT easy to live without God's input and blessings in our lives- it is impossible. As this couple found one thing led to another. The more they sought to solve their own problems, the more confused and messed up they got.
Ask forgiveness and be forgiven and move on in Him if you have had an abortion. Or if you have tried to live your life without God 1st in it. Jesus came for this very reason, to cleanse us and make us new. Thank You Lord Jesus. ladylynn
Some issues are not left up for debate. God sent His Son Jesus to pay for the sins of the world. There is no other way., For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through HIM might be saved. One way. We can't add to or take away from Jesus. Then we build on to that truth as we learn of Jesus.
We also have been told not to take life. And especially the unborn who have no one to speak for them. As Christians we must speak for them., not waffle trying to please everyone's personal situation because we entered the realm of "human reasoning". Quality of life IS a very sad excuse for abortion. For no one knows but God the quality of anyone's life.
No matter how confusing our lives get, we must hold fast to the truths God has shown us regardless of how we may feel about the consequences of our problems. Don't take the "human" way out-- Because it is NOT easy to live without God's input and blessings in our lives- it is impossible. As this couple found one thing led to another. The more they sought to solve their own problems, the more confused and messed up they got.
Ask forgiveness and be forgiven and move on in Him if you have had an abortion. Or if you have tried to live your life without God 1st in it. Jesus came for this very reason, to cleanse us and make us new. Thank You Lord Jesus. ladylynn
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I sure hope you're not suggesting an aborted child goes to hell and suffers forever. Also, I'm concerned about the child's suffering. I'm sorry, but I don't believe God makes every little thing happen. If that was true, the abortion would also be in His plan. Was the abortion part of His plan?
My issue, again, is I'm not sure where our responsibilities start and end. If it's up to me alone, I would not bring a severely deformed and mentally impaired child into this world. If I knew God wanted differently, obviously I would choose differently. That's the issue right there.
My issue, again, is I'm not sure where our responsibilities start and end. If it's up to me alone, I would not bring a severely deformed and mentally impaired child into this world. If I knew God wanted differently, obviously I would choose differently. That's the issue right there.
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Are you then a prophet? Can you foretell that that child would indeed have a terrible life? Seems to me i know a God that can and does perform miracles all the time. Who told you that child would have a terrible life? Because one doctor said that child is better off dead then to be alive in that condition, means it's OK to kill the life of the child?
Who creates life, God or satan? Does not God decide who will get pregnant and who will not get pregnant?
What if the parents had Faith that God would heal their child before it was born? And because of that Faith God does it for them, what then?
You nor that doctor can know the fate of that child in its very early development stage. Isn't that when it is legal for an abortion, in the very beginning of the development stages of the fetus life? So the doctor determined that this fetus would have a terrible life, based on what? the condition of the fetus in the development stages?
Abortion is destroying what God is trying to create.
But Hey, Smile, you mom chose life!
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Who creates life, God or satan? Does not God decide who will get pregnant and who will not get pregnant?
What if the parents had Faith that God would heal their child before it was born? And because of that Faith God does it for them, what then?
You nor that doctor can know the fate of that child in its very early development stage. Isn't that when it is legal for an abortion, in the very beginning of the development stages of the fetus life? So the doctor determined that this fetus would have a terrible life, based on what? the condition of the fetus in the development stages?
Abortion is destroying what God is trying to create.
But Hey, Smile, you mom chose life!
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Are you a prophet? It's very easy to not do something to save yourself. It's much harder to make the decision to end a pregnancy so a child will not suffer needlessly. Obviously prophecy has nothing to do with this. This has to do with the reality of living in this world. It's horribly difficult for a child under such circumstances, as well as the parents, though the child's welfare is first priority. You think that child won't SUFFER in this life?? As I said, if I knew God didn't want me to do that, obviously I would not. But I don't know that nor do you.
The suffering a child experiences in an abortion is virtually nothing compared to the suffering of living this life in such a state. That you won't address with all your platitudes.
The suffering a child experiences in an abortion is virtually nothing compared to the suffering of living this life in such a state. That you won't address with all your platitudes.
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You think God actually plans every pregnancy in this world? Pregnancies that come about by rape? Pregnancies where children are born into situations where they're horribly abused, unloved, and die that way? You think that's in His plan? Well I don't. His plan is to bring everything that happens around to good. That's it. He takes the results of what happens and works with it.
You misunderstand, i was asking if that person or the doctor was a prophet, you know someone that is able to foretell what is going to happen in the future. The poster said the child would have a terrible life, how does that poster KNOW that that child would have a terrible life. The poster is basing his assumption that the child would have a terrible life based solely on the words of a man who examines the fetus, saying it is going to be deformed and have a terrible life.
my point is the poster nor the doctor can possibly KNOW what kind of life that child would have, unless they were truly a prophet of God and can foretell the future and KNOW that the child would be deformed and have a terrible life. Seems to me that God healed a deformed man in the Bible did He not? Are you then saying it would be impossible for God to heal that fetus into a healthy child? Or are you going to trust the words of a man over the faith of God. i wander how many cases there are where a doctor said the Baby would be deformed and it turned out just fine? if it is one out of every hundred, then that means theres a 1% chance the baby will be fine and not deformed at all, and will have a normal life. Do you KNOW? Does the Doctor KNOW? Does the poster KNOW? The answer is NO. none of them KNOW. You know they said Einstein was retarded as well, dropped out of school because of english class or something like that. Mozart was another who was gifted. How do you know this deformed child would not be a genius that comes up with cars that run on water, but hey, if he's deformed, lets kill it, because why, the parents don't want to deal with the situation. i wander how many deformed people in wards are actually happy, and love life, and enjoy life, even though they are deformed.
i will tell you the Truth, no Doctor KNOWS 100% that a child will be retarded, when the child is still in the development stages. NO DOCTOR.
Who decides if a person gets pregnant? God does.
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my point is the poster nor the doctor can possibly KNOW what kind of life that child would have, unless they were truly a prophet of God and can foretell the future and KNOW that the child would be deformed and have a terrible life. Seems to me that God healed a deformed man in the Bible did He not? Are you then saying it would be impossible for God to heal that fetus into a healthy child? Or are you going to trust the words of a man over the faith of God. i wander how many cases there are where a doctor said the Baby would be deformed and it turned out just fine? if it is one out of every hundred, then that means theres a 1% chance the baby will be fine and not deformed at all, and will have a normal life. Do you KNOW? Does the Doctor KNOW? Does the poster KNOW? The answer is NO. none of them KNOW. You know they said Einstein was retarded as well, dropped out of school because of english class or something like that. Mozart was another who was gifted. How do you know this deformed child would not be a genius that comes up with cars that run on water, but hey, if he's deformed, lets kill it, because why, the parents don't want to deal with the situation. i wander how many deformed people in wards are actually happy, and love life, and enjoy life, even though they are deformed.
i will tell you the Truth, no Doctor KNOWS 100% that a child will be retarded, when the child is still in the development stages. NO DOCTOR.
Who decides if a person gets pregnant? God does.
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Again, Who creates LIFE?
God does. God and only God decides who will get pregnant and who will not get pregnant. It was a curse of God for a person to be barren in the Old Testament, and it was a blessing of God for a person to bare children. But this generation, no longer looks at it as a blessing from God to bare children, they look at it as a mistake that needs to be corrected by aborting the life, so as to no longer have to deal with the situation.
To be able to become pregnant is a BLESSING from God, many can't become pregnant.
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God does. God and only God decides who will get pregnant and who will not get pregnant. It was a curse of God for a person to be barren in the Old Testament, and it was a blessing of God for a person to bare children. But this generation, no longer looks at it as a blessing from God to bare children, they look at it as a mistake that needs to be corrected by aborting the life, so as to no longer have to deal with the situation.
To be able to become pregnant is a BLESSING from God, many can't become pregnant.
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Well, I understand what you're saying, and it would take an enormous amount of prayer and thinking it through before any action took place. And maybe I wouldn't do it. I certainly never believe abortion is acceptable in any normal circumstance. But as for God making every pregnancy happen? I personally don't believe that. Jesus, when he said that if anyone made a "little one" fall, it would be better if he'd tied that millstone around his neck and etc. etc., that such things "were not" God's will. Scriptures say in many places that things happen that are not God's will. I believe it was never God's will that mankind has suffered like this. But it is His will to turn everything around that went wrong in order to serve a good purpose.
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Again, it's not just about "not wanting to deal with a situation," because such a situation is humongous. I've seen it in my church where a woman has a severely deformed mentally damaged child she cares for. The poor woman has a deeply haunted tortured look in her eyes as that child lies in the wheelchair spinning her head and arms while she shouts animal sounds with totally empty uncomprehending eyes. That's the reality of the situation.
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Well, the truth is, right now the mother gets to decide. God obviously gave her that right or she wouldn't be able to do it. Each one of us can only do the best we can with what we know. And since a person has been given the right under man's law, most people assume they have the right to choose. They aren't thinking with your mind. They only have their own mind to think this out with. I think it's really odd that the same people that believe it's wrong under any circumstance to abort a fetus also believe if that person chooses wrong in this world, they'll be sent to hell where they'll be tortured for a never-ending period of time. That's quite a paradox.
Well, the truth is, at one time not long ago, the Gov. of Germany legally had the right to exterminate Jewish men, women, and children. Did God OBVIOUSLY give them the right to do that? See how sophomoric your statement that God gives women the right to choose to murder their unborn children is? I have spoken to women who have vehemently taken your stance only to find out that THEY had an abortion in the past and were desperately trying to make peace with their decision that was haunting them for so long. At no time did I or my wife ever tell them or anyone else committing any other sin, that having an abortion, meant the inability to be saved. Thank the Lord Jesus that many of them came to this realization and were able to forgive themselves. The only thing that will resign someone to hell is the rejection of Jesus Christ as Lord and savior.
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"Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.
" How do you know that my belifes are false? How can you prove that your Right? Even more Prove that your relingion is the right one" The Bible was made by man, Most Bible say made in china. Catholice, Chirstain-Jews, Southern, Baptiz, Mormons, All believe in God - We Believe in Jesus, We beleive he is our savour of our souls. Judge Not, and you will not be judged. You might not believe in my religion, and thats your right. I never pushed my belief on you or any one els in this fourm. You might not like mormons and you may hate mormons. But Remember what Jesus said:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
I am nor judging you or any one of wrong doing, but teaching that "we are one" Jesus wants us all to get along and Be Perfect. Love - Pray - Teach The Gold we all need to follow.
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.
" How do you know that my belifes are false? How can you prove that your Right? Even more Prove that your relingion is the right one" The Bible was made by man, Most Bible say made in china. Catholice, Chirstain-Jews, Southern, Baptiz, Mormons, All believe in God - We Believe in Jesus, We beleive he is our savour of our souls. Judge Not, and you will not be judged. You might not believe in my religion, and thats your right. I never pushed my belief on you or any one els in this fourm. You might not like mormons and you may hate mormons. But Remember what Jesus said:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
I am nor judging you or any one of wrong doing, but teaching that "we are one" Jesus wants us all to get along and Be Perfect. Love - Pray - Teach The Gold we all need to follow.