Sunday - the first day of the week

[crossnote]

What? I don't get your point. And read my post again. I edited and tried to clarify.

My actual point is ...

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (Rom 7:4)

...not speaking of animal sacrifices but moral code as in coveting as in...

What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, "You shall not covet." But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead.
(Rom 7:7-8)

nothing to do with outward regulations but the inward parts of us.

Good night all.

 

[JaumeJ]

Thank you for referring to your previous post. Many of the prophets of old were not prophesied to be, yet they were. John the Immerser was prophesied to be, the Two to come during the time of the Beast along with the Beast and his prophet are foretold. I find this intriguing. Because of this logical approach, and from the teaching of Paul, himself, I have no problem seeking understanding from the teachings of Jesus, Yeshua, directly rather than making another my source for a specific subject.

After all, Yeshua tells us to come and take His yoke upon us for it is easy and His burden is light, we should learn from Him, and this privilege I will not give up for any group of people voting to teach to the contrary. There is never error in learning from Yeshua.

I gave the answer in post #132
btw thanks for your gentleman like responses

 

[Shiloah]

My actual point is ...

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (Rom 7:4)

...not speaking of animal sacrifices but moral code as in coveting as in...

What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, "You shall not covet." But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead.
(Rom 7:7-8)

nothing to do with outward regulations but the inward parts of us.

Good night all.

Well, I don't see that. I see dead to the sacrificial laws. Dead to the wages of sin is death, but in Christ our sins are forgiven and we receive eternal life. But I do agree that those laws are now written on our hearts.

 

[JaumeJ]

With the Father we are not any nationality, we are not even male or female, we are as He, that is we are being made like He is; not that we are going to be He, that is what the enemy thought. It is enough to be like He. This, in the Kingdom, will be glorious and eternal. Can you imagine, all being like Yeshua, the Father? It is tremendous, joyous, glorious (to God), too much to describe in words. What the Lord has prepared for us cannot be uttered.
Praise God, amen.

I believe both Jew and Gentile were both locked up under sin. Since now there is one NEW man ...neither Jew nor Gentile, but a new man, we can't say they became part of what we were or we became part of what they were. We are now all part of something new...a NEW Creation in Christ.

 

[Abiding]

John 15

1“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it, that it may bear more fruit.
3“You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
4“Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me, and I in him, he bears much fruit; for apart from Me you can do nothing.
6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch, and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7“If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it shall be done for you.
8“By this is My Father glorified, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples.
9“Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love.

Isn't this what we are grafted into, dear friend?
Not the nation of Israel, but The Father as Root, and Christ as the Vine? ♥

Amen where u been?

 

[psychomom]

Amen where u been?

just vacationing in illness-land.

but I guess pretty much woe to everyone that I begin to feel better.

 

[zone]

Let us keep it plain and simple. Jesus never declared the first day of the week as the Sabbath or the day of worship or the Lord's day. There is mention of the day of the Lord in Revelation, but it is never associated by any with authority as being the first or the seventh day. Yeshua never commanded the first day to replace the Seventh day, that would be disorderly at best.

Also, all who so laboriously argue about which day is the Sabbath for others are working contrary to the Word. That is if you believe Paul about anyone revering one day over another, observing a certain diet over another etc. with a clear conscience in the sight of Yahweh is not guilty of sin.

So, why are you attempting to make something a sin that is not? It really is a waste of everyone's time, no matter how many scritpures are weaved together. There must be understanding otherwise it is just using up others' time.

If you love me in Yeshua, you will hear me out........I do not post this just for me, it is for the benefit of all.

please do not derail my Sunday the first day of the week is Holy to CHRISTIANS thread.
there are plenty of Saturday Sinai Mosaic Law threads.

 

[Share55]

An age old question indeed.
[h=3]Colossians 2:16-23[/h]King James Version (KJV)
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances , 21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.


[h=4]Matthew 24:15 KJV[/h] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth , let him understand

In the OT God said there would come a day when mankind shall no more need to be taught His Word as He would write it upon his heart and then later he said 'I laugh because mankind still has need to be taught'

The Bible says that God made the Sabbath for mankind not mankind for the Sabbath. Who better to teach God's Word than God Himself?
To do God's Word we must be a living example as Jesus when He walked among mankind through helping others, giving, mercy, and love etc.

 

[nathan3]

Why not just put your rest in Christ everyday. Why keep just one day to observe Christ ? Christ is Lord of the Sabbath .

Worshiping a day, does not seem biblical. seeing, Christ came to full fill the law, and Christ is in us.

 

[JaumeJ]

Why is everyone teaching against the Word, that is, providing you believe Paul's writings are the Word? I have posted this before to deaf ears and blind eyes.

According to the Word, if any person observes one day as revered over another in the sight of Yahweh, God, and he does so with a clear conscience, it is not sin, it is not wrong at all.

To suggest one must be as another in regard to what day is to be observed is suggesting the other sin when he does not believe you.

Do not be a stumbling block for your brethren.

I observe the Sabbath on the only day it is commanded to do so, the Seventh Day. I do this with a clear conscience in the sight of the Father, and I find it very fulfilling, gratifying and loving.

Do you believe it should be the first day in the sight of the Father? By all means, it is quite fine for you.

Do not tell people the Sabbath is one day or another or everyday if you do not know yourself, and above all, if your brother is content with his faith. To do so is not according to the teaching of Paul.

 

[JaumeJ]

Is derailing telling the truth? If so, I stand accused, judged and condemned. You know I am not under the law, rather grace.

Do not distort what others say to fit your personal argument. My source is the Word, and the Word is true.

Forgive me if this sounds harsh, but I would like to see everyone, this means you, great in the Kingdom.

please do not derail my Sunday the first day of the week is Holy to CHRISTIANS thread.
there are plenty of Saturday Sinai Mosaic Law threads.

Why is everyone teaching against the Word, that is, providing you believe Paul's writings are the Word? I have posted this before to deaf ears and blind eyes.

According to the Word, if any person observes one day as revered over another in the sight of Yahweh, God, and he does so with a clear conscience, it is not sin, it is not wrong at all.

To suggest one must be as another in regard to what day is to be observed is suggesting the other sin when he does not believe you.

Do not be a stumbling block for your brethren.

I observe the Sabbath on the only day it is commanded to do so, the Seventh Day. I do this with a clear conscience in the sight of the Father, and I find it very fulfilling, gratifying and loving.

Do you believe it should be the first day in the sight of the Father? By all means, it is quite fine for you.

Do not tell people the Sabbath is one day or another or everyday if you do not know yourself, and above all, if your brother is content with his faith. To do so is not according to the teaching of Paul.

 

[nathan3]

there are days to observe, like Passover. But. I more mention because some people wil only, do anything for God or learn of God on "sunday"..

there is a interesting history behind where the days of the week get their names from.

 

[notconformed2theworld]

So just when did the priest's offer the sacrifices in the temple?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

They did it on the Sabbath but our great high priest made the ultimate sacrifice before the Sabbath. jesus was a better sacrifice and was a better priest than moses and all the others.but even after he was crucified, Jesus still was working on the sabbath, he was rebuilding the temple, saving souls in hell and reconciling lost humanity back to God...

 

[Michael50]

They did it on the Sabbath but our great high priest made the ultimate sacrifice before the Sabbath. jesus was a better sacrifice and was a better priest than moses and all the others.but even after he was crucified, Jesus still was working on the sabbath, he was rebuilding the temple, saving souls in hell and reconciling lost humanity back to God...

Jesus was saving souls in hell eh? That's a farfetched fallacy. Nobody is in hell yet. The lake of fire doesn't even exist yet.

And just where in scripture is it taught we can reject God & His Son go to hell and escape ? I'll tell you,,,, nowhere is that taught. Only in the halls of Satan, is that lie taught,, so that you might believe there is no rush to come to God. Satan says relax, you can escape hellfire. No hurry to come to Jesus,, explore your new found freedoms.

 

[notconformed2theworld]

Jesus was saving souls in hell eh? That's a farfetched fallacy. Nobody is in hell yet. The lake of fire doesn't even exist yet.

And just where in scripture is it taught we can reject God & His Son go to hell and escape ? I'll tell you,,,, nowhere is that taught. Only in the halls of Satan, is that lie taught,, so that you might believe there is no rush to come to God. Satan says relax, you can escape hellfire. No hurry to come to Jesus,, explore your new found freedoms.

I wasn't talking bout the lake of fire...I was talking about the righteous that went to hell before Jesus came and died...its called Abraham's bosom. Read the story of the rich man and the beggar please.

And people do go to hell Cuz at the judgement death and hell are delivered up....but this a whole another topic.
So like I said Jesus worked on the Sabbath

 

[Wall]

Why is it that the duty to keep the Seventh day as Sabbath is not mentioned ONCE in the New Testament?

The Sabbath & Sunday

Not mentioned?

LUKE 4 [14] And JESUS returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.[15] And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.[16] And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, AS HIS CUSTOM WAS, he WENT INTO THE SYNAGOGUE ON THE SABBATH DAY, and stood up for to read.

JESUS kept the sabbath

ACTS 17 [2] AND PAUL, AS HIS MANNER WAS, went in unto them, and three SABBATH DAYS reasoned with them out of the scriptures,[3] Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

PAUL kept the sabbath

ACTS 13 [42] And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, THE GENTILES besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.[43] Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.[44] And THE NEXT SABBATH DAY CAME ALMOST THE WHOLE CITY TOGETHER TO HEAR THE WORD OF GOD.

GENTILES come together on the sabbath to hear the WORD.

Can anyone show me in scripture where the Word of God actually changes or does away with the sabbath day of rest? Anywhere in the new testament? How about in the old testament? Anywhere?

ACTS 25 [7] And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove. [8] While he answered for himself, NEITHER AGAINST THE LAW OF THE JEWS, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, HAVE I OFFENDED ANY THING AT ALL.

During the time of Paul there were also many who accused Paul, saying he was not keeping Gods law (which includes the sabbath). Paul himself sets those people straight. So it was at the time of Paul, just as is being done on this board today.

 

[Wall]

Circumcision, which predates the Law and the Sabbath commandment was an issue in the New Testament Church and is addressed repeatedly in the New Testament Epistles and by the Jerusalem Counsel.

The Sabbath & Sunday

Yes circumcision is addressed repeatedly. That was done away with. That was a change the Jews of that time found hard to handle. That's why all the discussion about circumcision. Could you imagine the number of discussions that would have taken place about changing Gods day of rest {the 4th commandment} to one chosen by man? Yet not a word. Not one discussion.

1 COR. 7 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

 

[Wall]

In Heb 4:9 the Greek word, "sabbatismos" (Strong’s number 4520) is translated "rest" instead of the correct translation of "Sabbath rest". "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God." Instead of "There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God."

Don't believe me? Go to the greek

 

[Michael50]

I wasn't talking bout the lake of fire...I was talking about the righteous that went to hell before Jesus came and died...its called Abraham's bosom. Read the story of the rich man and the beggar please.

And people do go to hell Cuz at the judgement death and hell are delivered up....but this a whole another topic.
So like I said Jesus worked on the Sabbath

Abrahams bosom is a Parable! Not a true story. Men don't go and live on another mans chest (abrahams bosom). Is a strange thing that men beleive the dead can communicate. It's even strager that a man would believe that if somebody would dip their finger in some water and touch it to the tongue of those in hell they would be relieved!!!!

How have you come to beleive such nonsense? The bible says the dead cannot communicate with the living!

You have taken a Parable ( a teaching tool) and determined it is a true story!!!

Again,, do you really suppose the living can dip their finger into some water and relieve the suffering of those in a "flame"??? If you do,, you are surely decieved!

I can show you scripture after scripture that says the dead know nothing.

"so man lieth down and riseth not, til the heavens be no more they shall not awake nor be raised from their sleep"

"The living know that they shall die, but the dead know not anything."

Yet, it sounds as if you have dismissed much of the scripture,,,all so you can believe that a parable is a true story?

The "hell" that you refer to in your sentence: "And people do go to hell Cuz at the judgement death and hell are delivered up.." is the grave!!!! Not a place of punishment. The place of punishment is the Lake of Fire,, which is the whole earth set on fire By God, once the wicked are marshaled by Satan to surround the Holy City Jerusalem.

Jesus kept the Sabbath.. If He didn't,, He would just be another sinner, and we would still be looking for the Messiah to come and die.

 

[zone]

It is my understood duty to say this. We, as being gentiles, are brought together as one flock with the original flock according to Jesus, Yeshua. The promise of Messiah was known from Genesis, and the Chosen Nation of Yahweh waited for Him in hope. We being graffed in to the original do not wield authority over them, for they are enemies of the gospel for our Father's reasons, but they are beloved of Yahweh.

We are one with the Israel of Yahweh now. Israel has not become part of us. If we are not become part of the Israel of Yahweh, then we may as well toss out the Old Testament, but then the New would make no sense at all. Keep in mind the separation of the Books is made by man, they really are the Word of Yahweh, One Book.

this is nothing to do with the subject. if we have holy days, Sunday is a holy day...for all the reasons listed in the opening posts.

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