Francis Frangipane - dominionist spiritual warfare

[zone]

Unmasking the
Jezebel Spirit

John Paul Jackson

http://ruachministries.org/teaching/JezebelSpiritbookreview.pdf < click



POLL:


is John Paul Jackson a wolf in sheep's clothing?

_____ YES

_____ NO

_____ I HAVE NO IDEA


why doesn't he want the PROPHETS called out?

sickening that these people are allowed inside churches.

 

[RickShafer]

Zone's ministry is to tear down others.

B.T.K. was a midwestern Lutheran.

But that's O.K. because they didn't believe in Satan anyway, so he could pretend to be satan in his off time.
He was a dog catcher that bound, tortured, and killed innocent people.
But he was a Lutheran (even voted lay person of the year, one year in his Lutheran church), so no big woop.

 

[zone]

Zone's ministry is to tear down others.

B.T.K. was a midwestern Lutheran.

bye then.

 

[zone]

THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR ARGUMENTS OR DEBATE.

IT IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY.

PLEASE START YOUR OWN THREAD IF YOU ARE A PROPHET OR CHARISMATIC APOLOGIST

 

[RickShafer]

I'm just casting dust up where you are.
B.T.K. went to church in Wichita Kansas.
To a branch of the Lutheran church that doesn't believe in a literal Lucifer.
I noticed you stamp every post with the Missouri Lutheran Synod.
That's right next to Kansas,.....does your synod believe in a literal satan?

 

[zone]

I'm just casting dust up where you are.
B.T.K. went to church in Wichita Kansas.
To a branch of the Lutheran church that doesn't believe in a literal Lucifer.
I noticed you stamp every post with the Missouri Lutheran Synod.
That's right next to Kansas,.....does your synod believe in a literal satan?

rick...please feel free to start a thread on whatever it is you are interested in.

please do not attempt to derail this thread.

there is another active thread on this subject you may be more comfortable on.

zone.

 

[RickShafer]

But Zone, I'm just dusting your porch, - - - (as you are doing to some other soul who attends the church or churches you see fit to demonize).

 

[zone]

But Zone, I'm just dusting your porch, - - - (as you are doing to some other soul who attends the church or churches you see fit to demonize).

i can't help you rick.

if somebody is attending a place where people are claiming direct revelation (PROPHETS) from God they should leave.

they've demonized themselves.

i know you disagree, so please start another thread.

this is about Four Movements - apostasy.

 

[RickShafer]

No. I think it relevant to address your church.
Cannot you handle it?
Are you afraid?
Are you ashamed?
You point to the faults of others.
Perhaps I can point to the bedrock of truth that you belong to in comparison.
It is a good and necessary exercise Zone.
To juxtapose the Missouri Lutheran Synod against the current awful church you are exposing.

 

[zone]

No. I think it relevant to address your church.
Cannot you handle it?
Are you afraid?
Are you ashamed?
You point to the faults of others.
Perhaps I can point to the bedrock of truth that you belong to in comparison.
It is a good and necessary exercise Zone.
To juxtapose the Missouri Lutheran Synod against the current awful church you are exposing.

start a thread on it.
i may join you.


please don't derail this thread rick.

 

[RickShafer]

I promise I'm not!
You point out the heresies of whatever church you are lambasting this week,......and I will point to your church either favorably or ill.(depending on how it stacks up).
How can that be derailing it Zone?

 

[zone]

I promise I'm not!
You point out the heresies of whatever church you are lambasting this week,......and I will point to your church either favorably or ill.(depending on how it stacks up).
How can that be derailing it Zone?

Re: Francis Frangipane - dominionist spiritual warfare

Francis Frangipane
Another Good Example Of The False Latter Rain Teaching

On The Transferable Anointing
by Sandy Simpson, 6/30/04

Elijah List sends out heretical Latter Rain teachings all over the world daily in their newsletters. So it is no surprise to see Francis Frangipane, a long time Latter Rain false teacher, featured in their newsletter. The Latter Rain teaches that there is a transferable impartation of the "anointing" that can be transferred "by" the laying on of hands "by" the will of man, usually though slain in the spirit. As I have written before, this is heresy...

...I bet most Christians today, who have been partially or fully brainwashed by Third Wavers, don't know that the "transferable impartation" made popular by movements like the Toronto "Blessing", Brownsville "Outpouring" and false prophets like Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Francis Frangipane and thousands of others, is forbidden by Scripture.....

Francis Frangipane - Another Good Example Of The False Latter Rain Teaching On The Transferable Anointing < click

.........

i won't be addressing the LCMS on this thread.
start one....i might take part.
let's not waste our time.

if you see nothing wrong in any of the Latter Rain and Kansas City Prophets etc....that's your issue.
i find it incredible, but i'm no longer surprised.

thank you.

 

[RickShafer]

I'm glad this turned out to be the weekly lambasting that I interrupted.
I am familiar with the Latter Day Rain Movement of the early 50's.
First off, ....that diatribe that passed as a commentary was bogus, - (bogus: superficial, not bearing any form of importance, without intellectual weight or merit.)
Secondly, to group a movement of the early 1950's with some fifty years later is utter nonsense.
One was started at a business association, the others were televised before they started.
- Total and complete propaganda was the written piece you offered. None of it was true.

 

[zone]

I'm glad this turned out to be the weekly lambasting that I interrupted.
I am familiar with the Latter Day Rain Movement of the early 50's.
First off, ....that diatribe that passed as a commentary was bogus, - (bogus: superficial, not bearing any form of importance, without intellectual weight or merit.)
Secondly, to group a movement of the early 1950's with some fifty years later is utter nonsense.
One was started at a business association, the others were televised before they started.
- Total and complete propaganda was the written piece you offered. None of it was true.

thanks for your opinion.

 

[zone]

The fivefold ministry or five-fold ministry is a Charismatic and Evangelical Christian belief that five offices mentioned in Ephesians (Ephesians 4:11), namely that of apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors (or "shepherds") and teachers, remain active and valid offices in the contemporary Christian church.

Non-charismatic Christians may also consider these roles, and others, active and valid, but the term "fivefold ministry" is particularly associated with Pentecostal beliefs. Adherents of this ecclesiology may also affirm the continuation of the charismatic gifts in the modern church, or may hold to the concept of a "Latter Rain" outpouring of Holy Spirit gifts, while opponents commonly hold to cessationist beliefs.

After the close of the Apostolic Age, Christian writers still referred to the existence of prophets. For example, Irenaeus wrote of second century believers with the gift of prophecy,[1] while Tertullian, writing of the church meetings of the Montanists (to whom he belonged), described in detail the practice of prophecy in the second century church.[2] It is, however, the teaching of Edward Irving and advent of the Catholic Apostolic Church in 1832 that marks the earliest known movement of what could be properly labeled as fivefold ministry. The church ordained twelve apostles and had specific understandings of the roles of prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers.

This trend picked up steam in 1948 with the Latter Rain Movement giving renewed emphasis to fivefold ministry, and soon after with the Charismatic Movement and Third Wave movements, led by figures such as C. Peter Wagner, who is now the leading figure in what is known as the New Apostolic Reformation, which emphasizes the specific need for apostolic leadership in the Church, among the other fivefold anointings.

More recently, Alan Hirsch and Michael Frost have coined the acronym APEPT to refer to Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers.[3]

Fivefold ministry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


"....Neither the eloquence of speech nor the passionate presentation of the Gospel can activate the Kingdom process and eternally change the hearts of men and women...."
- John Paul Jackson

 

[RickShafer]

There is some truth and fiction mixed in the wiki anonymous statement above.
The continual reversion to identifying movements that were nearly a century apart and light years from similarity is troubling.
There is more to refute but I frankly don't have the time.
(Look it up for yourselves) - by using first and second source books, not 'wikipedia'.

 

[zone]

There is some truth and fiction mixed in the wiki anonymous statement above.
The continual reversion to identifying movements that were nearly a century apart and light years from similarity is troubling.
There is more to refute but I frankly don't have the time.
(Look it up for yourselves) - by using first and second source books, not 'wikipedia'.

the common denominator is direct revelation from God through modern apostles/prophets.

simple.

that's what's troubling.

apparently you're not all that familiar with the subject.

it's basically continuationism.....pretty straight forward.

 

[zone]

There is some truth and fiction mixed in the wiki anonymous statement above.
The continual reversion to identifying movements that were nearly a century apart and light years from similarity is troubling.
There is more to refute but I frankly don't have the time.
(Look it up for yourselves) - by using first and second source books, not 'wikipedia'.

i also recommend doing the same.
use any and all resources and examine both sides of the issue.
there are only 2 sides.

prophets hearing directly from and speaking for God today, or no prophets hearing directly from and speaking for God today.

no neutral ground.

if there are no prophets hearing directly from and speaking for God today, they're lying.
to themselves and others.

 

[RickShafer]

"if there are no prophets hearing directly from and speaking for God today, they're lying.
to themselves and others."

Holy Moses! - Aaaahahaha!
Did you mean to use the qualifier "if" Zone? Because if you did I agree with you.

 

[zone]

"if there are no prophets hearing directly from and speaking for God today, they're lying.
to themselves and others."

Holy Moses! - Aaaahahaha!
Did you mean to use the qualifier "if" Zone? Because if you did I agree with you.

no. it's clear what i meant.

there are no more prophets hearing directly from and speaking for God today.
people who say God says "_______" are lying, and they know it.