A keeping of a sabbath is left to GOD's people

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Bryancampbell

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I believe that the change that was made to Gods Sabbath by the church of Rome will one day be enforced. I believe that is the Mark of the Beast.

So,, if you think I'm being trivial and petty,,, you have erred.

If I wasn't sure what the Mark of the Beast was,,, I wouldn't care.. So,, There is a reason why I am ringing the fire bell.
So tell me how do you keep the sabbath but not the sabbath year? Surely you must be obligated
 
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I believe that the change that was made to Gods Sabbath by the church of Rome will one day be enforced. I believe that is the Mark of the Beast.

So,, if you think I'm being trivial and petty,,, you have erred.

If I wasn't sure what the Mark of the Beast was,,, I wouldn't care.. So,, There is a reason why I am ringing the fire bell.
It is a common misconception that Catholics or Constantine changed the day of worship to Sunday. Sunday worship was observed in Acts 20:7.
 
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So tell me how do you keep the sabbath but not the sabbath year? Surely you must be obligated
Sir,, I keep the 10 Commandments and the faith of Jesus. If you desire to complicate it for yourself,, go right ahead. But for me,, keeping Gods 10 Commandments is a delight.
 
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It is a common misconception that Catholics or Constantine changed the day of worship to Sunday. Sunday worship was observed in Acts 20:7.
Catholics accept credit for something they didn't establish. This is surely a misconception but they don't see it.
 
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Sir,, I keep the 10 Commandments and the faith of Jesus. If you desire to complicate it for yourself,, go right ahead. But for me,, keeping Gods 10 Commandments is a delight.
If you MUST follow the sabbath, you can't leave out the sabbath year, the jubilee period that comes along with it?
 
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It is a common misconception that Catholics or Constantine changed the day of worship to Sunday. Sunday worship was observed in Acts 20:7.
Dan,, if you believe that the church of Rome didn't change Gods Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st.. Then,, you are ignorant. It's documented that they did so... For you to argue that they didn't is downright stupid on your behalf!
 
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Dan,, if you believe that the church of Rome didn't change Gods Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st.. Then,, you are ignorant. It's documented that they did so... For you to argue that they didn't is downright stupid on your behalf!
Wow don't you know Catholics document a lot of false stuff. Like I said, they say the crusades happened because Muslims harassed Christian nomads about their faith....What a cover up!!!!
 
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danschance

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The Catholics do not say they changed worship to Sunday. Here is a good catholic article about that.

Sabbath or Sunday? | Catholic Answers

Excerpt from above article:

The Didache
"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

The Letter of Barnabas
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

Ignatius of Antioch
"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

Justin Martyr
"[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] you—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us—I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . ." (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).
"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).

Tertullian
"[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God" (An Answer to the Jews 2 [A.D. 203]).

The Didascalia
"The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [i.e., Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven" (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).

Origen
"Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection" (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).
 
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Dan,, if you believe that the church of Rome didn't change Gods Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st.. Then,, you are ignorant. It's documented that they did so... For you to argue that they didn't is downright stupid on your behalf!
Check out the above post and read thru the link I posted. Inspite of your verbal abuse, name calling and character assassination, I am 100% correct in saying the Catholics did not change worship from Sabbath to Sunday.
 
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If you MUST follow the sabbath, you can't leave out the sabbath year, the jubilee period that comes along with it?
If the 4th commandment says i have to keep a sabbath year,, then I wil... let's examine Gods 4th Conmmandment:


"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, not thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

Well,, no mention of any sabbath year jubilee in Gods 4th Commandment.... Sorry ,, as you can see you have added and erred.
 
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Well if I keep the Spirit of the law against murder is the letter insignificant? Is murdering acceptable as long as deep down in the Spirit I am thinking good thoughts as I pull the trigger?
I think it takes botht the letter and the Spirit.
The whole pupose of the law is to not hurt yourself and to not hurt others. Apart from this, it doesn't matter what the letter of the law is.

Apart from the other 9 commandments, we hurt ourselves when we do not recognize GOD as the one who is sanctifying us. This implies a yielding through rest to his sanctifying work. This was the whole purpose of the 4th commandment, to direct Israel's attention to GOD, the sanctifier. Apart from this the letter of the commandment is meaningless. Law was made for man, not man for law. You have man serving law, but the Christ is lord of the sabbath.
 
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If the 4th commandment says i have to keep a sabbath year,, then I wil... let's examine Gods 4th Conmmandment:


"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, not thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

Well,, no mention of any sabbath year jubilee in Gods 4th Commandment.... Sorry ,, as you can see you have added and erred.
Lol k have fun teaching the letter instead of the blood :p
 
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Dan,,you have been told that the Mark of the Beast will be enforced. Dan,, you know what I believe the Mark of the Beast to be (sunday observance enforced).

Tell me,,, if, during your lifetime,, you see a huge movement by the religious in the United States to legislate a new law that would enforce Sunday observance..Are you going to embrace it and support it? After all the warnings that you have heard reguarding the Sabbath of God,, would you still embrace and support a National Sunday Law?

This question is to everybody,, not just Dan.
 
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danschance

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We see in the scripture and that the early church fathers clearly taught that the early Church gathered on Sunday to worship. It stayed that way until a few nuts, including a brain damaged woman with a 3rd grade education, tried to turn the clock back worshipping on the Jewish Sabbath.

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.

1Cor. 16:2
On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.
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Col. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day:
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Rev. 1:10
I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, 11saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”
 
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Dan,,you have been told that the Mark of the Beast will be enforced. Dan,, you know what I believe the Mark of the Beast to be (sunday observance enforced).

Tell me,,, if, during your lifetime,, you see a huge movement by the religious in the United States to legislate a new law that would enforce Sunday observance..Are you going to embrace it and support it? After all the warnings that you have heard reguarding the Sabbath of God,, would you still embrace and support a National Sunday Law?

This question is to everybody,, not just Dan.
...and you call me crazy.
 
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Tell me,,, if, during your lifetime,, you see a huge movement by the religious in the United States to legislate a new law that would enforce Sunday observance..Are you going to embrace it and support it? After all the warnings that you have heard reguarding the Sabbath of God,, would you still embrace and support a National Sunday Law?
This question is to everybody,, not just Dan.
The idea is absurd to say the least. It is an idea so out of touch with reality, that it is really hard to take it seriously.
 

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If there is something "wrong" with observing the "Jewish Sabbath," then I am guilty, and I am wrong. I cannot speak against anyone who believes the 1st day of the week has become the Sabbath because Paul teaches one may do as he believes is proper in the sight of Yahweh. Therefore I do not chide anyone who believes the Sabbath is Sunday. At least they believe in the Sabbath as a day set aside to rest and be with our Maker.
I do not mind turning the clock back to the time of Yeshua on this earth and practicing as best I am able as He did. He taught us, and we are to follow His example.
 
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The idea is absurd to say the least. It is an idea so out of touch with reality, that it is really hard to take it seriously.
The idea of Noah spending 120 years building a boat was probably thought by many to be absurd...Til the rain came,, and the water was shooting up out of the earth........All but 7 thought Noah was nuts too.
 
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If there is something "wrong" with observing the "Jewish Sabbath," then I am guilty, and I am wrong. I cannot speak against anyone who believes the 1st day of the week has become the Sabbath because Paul teaches one may do as he believes is proper in the sight of Yahweh. Therefore I do not chide anyone who believes the Sabbath is Sunday. At least they believe in the Sabbath as a day set aside to rest and be with our Maker.
I do not mind turning the clock back to the time of Yeshua on this earth and practicing as best I am able as He did. He taught us, and we are to follow His example.
Exactly, if I observe it Sunday then that's between me and the Lord