Is LITERAL Hellfire Torment A Bible Teaching?
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So,,, you have no scripture that says Jesus left His grave,, floated off somewhere,, then floated back to His tomb?
Now Read!
Luke 23
46 And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, into Thy hands I commend My spirit.” And having said thus, He gave up the ghost.
As I said, the Spirit of Christ is GOD, which means He is Omnipresent (so no need any travel like you try to inquire). Second of all, the verse literally says, into THY HANDS, FATHER, I commend MY SPIRIT.
See how ignorant you are.
Now Read!
Luke 23
46 And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, into Thy hands I commend My spirit.” And having said thus, He gave up the ghost.
As I said, the Spirit of Christ is GOD, which means He is Omnipresent (so no need any travel like you try to inquire). Second of all, the verse literally says, into THY HANDS, FATHER, I commend MY SPIRIT.
Now Read!
Luke 23
46 And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, into Thy hands I commend My spirit.” And having said thus, He gave up the ghost.
As I said, the Spirit of Christ is GOD, which means He is Omnipresent (so no need any travel like you try to inquire). Second of all, the verse literally says, into THY HANDS, FATHER, I commend MY SPIRIT.
Perhaps you don't have any scripture to prove this falsehood.
L
Excuse me,, I thought you were going to cough up the scripture that teaches,, Jesus floated out of His tomb,,then floated other places , and did some visiting....then floated back to His tomb,, then was ressurected....
Perhaps you don't have any scripture to prove this falsehood.
Perhaps you don't have any scripture to prove this falsehood.
L
It sure was.. Now,, let's move ahead... Do you think Jesus went to hell and did some teaching down there, while he was dead in his grave?
First of all, Jesus' Spirit, since He is God, which means He is omnipresent or can be everywhere.
Now where did His Spirit go at that period of time. If what you are referring to is the book of First Peter, His Spirit went to the Hades, to preach. I believe the word preach here doesn't really mean preach the gospel. But, simply proclaiming to the spirits in prison. Now who are the spirits in prison then? Most likely, it refers to fallen angels, which are mentioned in Jude 1:6. These fallen angels are imprisoned most likely for what they did in the period before the Noah's flood.
What did Jesus proclaim? I'm not saying those fallen angels were saved, but most likely Jesus was proclaiming a declaration of VICTORY over Satan and his allies (such as the message in 1 peter 3:22 and Colossians 2:15, etc).
Another most likely incidents, is described on Ephesians 4, which indicates that He took to heaven all those who had believed in Him prior to His death.
Kerry,
re: " Mark 9 42-45 enough said."
But not with regard to everlasting, non-ending torture for the unsaved. Those verses simply do not say that.
re: "Or do you also pick and chose what sounds good to you".
Of course. If it makes the most sense and does not contradict anything, why wouldn't I? Why wouldn't anyone?
re: "...will you stand and call Jesus a liar."
Absolutely NOT!!!! What the heck is wrong with you? Why would you ever suggest that?
re: " Mark 9 42-45 enough said."
But not with regard to everlasting, non-ending torture for the unsaved. Those verses simply do not say that.
re: "Or do you also pick and chose what sounds good to you".
Of course. If it makes the most sense and does not contradict anything, why wouldn't I? Why wouldn't anyone?
re: "...will you stand and call Jesus a liar."
Absolutely NOT!!!! What the heck is wrong with you? Why would you ever suggest that?
You meant He, not it.
First of all, Jesus' Spirit, since He is God, which means He is omnipresent or can be everywhere.
Now where did His Spirit go at that period of time. If what you are referring to is the book of First Peter, His Spirit went to the Hades, to preach. I believe the word preach here doesn't really mean preach the gospel. But, simply proclaiming to the spirits in prison. Now who are the spirits in prison then? Most likely, it refers to fallen angels, which are mentioned in Jude 1:6. These fallen angels are imprisoned most likely for what they did in the period before the Noah's flood.
What did Jesus proclaim? I'm not saying those fallen angels were saved, but most likely Jesus was proclaiming a declaration of VICTORY over Satan and his allies (such as the message in 1 peter 3:22 and Colossians 2:15, etc).
Another most likely incidents, is described on Ephesians 4, which indicates that He took to heaven all those who had believed in Him prior to His death.
First of all, Jesus' Spirit, since He is God, which means He is omnipresent or can be everywhere.
Now where did His Spirit go at that period of time. If what you are referring to is the book of First Peter, His Spirit went to the Hades, to preach. I believe the word preach here doesn't really mean preach the gospel. But, simply proclaiming to the spirits in prison. Now who are the spirits in prison then? Most likely, it refers to fallen angels, which are mentioned in Jude 1:6. These fallen angels are imprisoned most likely for what they did in the period before the Noah's flood.
What did Jesus proclaim? I'm not saying those fallen angels were saved, but most likely Jesus was proclaiming a declaration of VICTORY over Satan and his allies (such as the message in 1 peter 3:22 and Colossians 2:15, etc).
Another most likely incidents, is described on Ephesians 4, which indicates that He took to heaven all those who had believed in Him prior to His death.
Great,,, I wanted you to make mention of 1 Peter,, not me..
The scripture in question is 1 Peter 3:18-20
Notice and examine:
The scripture says that the preaching was done "by the spirit" (verse 18) "in Noahs day" , to people who were then living ( verses 19,20).
The "spirits in prison" refers to people whose lives were in bondage to Satan. See the following scriptures:
Psalm 142:7
Isaiah 42;6,7
Isaiah 61:1
Luke 4:18
These scriptures might make you see things differently.
L
Great,,, I wanted you to make mention of 1 Peter,, not me..
The scripture in question is 1 Peter 3:18-20
Notice and examine:
The scripture says that the preaching was done "by the spirit" (verse 18) "in Noahs day" , to people who were then living ( verses 19,20).
The "spirits in prison" refers to people whose lives were in bondage to Satan. See the following scriptures:
Psalm 142:7
Isaiah 42;6,7
Isaiah 61:1
Luke 4:18
These scriptures might make you see things differently.
The scripture in question is 1 Peter 3:18-20
Notice and examine:
The scripture says that the preaching was done "by the spirit" (verse 18) "in Noahs day" , to people who were then living ( verses 19,20).
The "spirits in prison" refers to people whose lives were in bondage to Satan. See the following scriptures:
Psalm 142:7
Isaiah 42;6,7
Isaiah 61:1
Luke 4:18
These scriptures might make you see things differently.
0 who one time were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared, wherein few, (that is, eight souls) were saved by water.
that's why I don't think they are humans. Another reasons is, there is no second chance for salvation after death, as the Bible tells us in Hebrews 9:27.
I won't be dogmatic on these incidents, that's why I used the term 'most likely' on my post before.
L
leonardronaldo,
re: "Matthew 25:41"
Nothing said there about everlasting torture for the unsaved.
re: "Matthew 25:41"
Nothing said there about everlasting torture for the unsaved.
did you read the whole parable of the surrounding? let me help you Sir, it's from the verse 14-46.
let me know if you read it already.
Yes, Jesus' Spirit did the proclaiming. That's what I am saying. And if you thing the spirits are people, humans are never mentioned as spirits in the Bible, are they? As far as I know, humans are referred as souls. Which is the case in the verse 20 of that passage :
0 who one time were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared, wherein few, (that is, eight souls) were saved by water.
that's why I don't think they are humans. Another reasons is, there is no second chance for salvation after death, as the Bible tells us in Hebrews 9:27.
I won't be dogmatic on these incidents, that's why I used the term 'most likely' on my post before.
0 who one time were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared, wherein few, (that is, eight souls) were saved by water.
that's why I don't think they are humans. Another reasons is, there is no second chance for salvation after death, as the Bible tells us in Hebrews 9:27.
I won't be dogmatic on these incidents, that's why I used the term 'most likely' on my post before.
So,, angels that got kicked out of heaven, get another shot at getting back in eh?
L
Wow,,, So now you are going to suggest,, that AFTER God kicked Satan and his angels out of heaven,,,God has now changed His mind, and is asking that some evil angels come back to heaven? Wow... Just wow.
So,, angels that got kicked out of heaven, get another shot at getting back in eh?
So,, angels that got kicked out of heaven, get another shot at getting back in eh?
You didn't even read what you quoted from me in your post #531.
let me copy and paste my statement again.
What did Jesus proclaim? I'm not saying those fallen angels were saved, but most likely Jesus was proclaiming a declaration of VICTORY over Satan and his allies (such as the message in 1 peter 3:22 and Colossians 2:15, etc).
L
Wow,,, So now you are going to suggest,, that AFTER God kicked Satan and his angels out of heaven,,,God has now changed His mind, and is asking that some evil angels come back to heaven? Wow... Just wow.
So,, angels that got kicked out of heaven, get another shot at getting back in eh?
So,, angels that got kicked out of heaven, get another shot at getting back in eh?
I am aware of this verse, Jesus didn't come to save angels, but humans.
Wow, you really didn't read my post before. I'm amazed. So you quoted, only for trying to win arguments eh?
You didn't even read what you quoted from me in your post #531.
let me copy and paste my statement again.
What did Jesus proclaim? I'm not saying those fallen angels were saved, but most likely Jesus was proclaiming a declaration of VICTORY over Satan and his allies (such as the message in 1 peter 3:22 and Colossians 2:15, etc).
You didn't even read what you quoted from me in your post #531.
let me copy and paste my statement again.
What did Jesus proclaim? I'm not saying those fallen angels were saved, but most likely Jesus was proclaiming a declaration of VICTORY over Satan and his allies (such as the message in 1 peter 3:22 and Colossians 2:15, etc).
I will make mine very clear.
The dead know nothing. Nobody is in the lake of fire. it hasn't even been created. Satan is loose on this earth. Satan and his angels are not being offered forgiveness.. They had the chance to stop their rebellion,, they didn't,,, God cast them out of heaven,, and death by fire awaits them. They will be turned to ash.
Jesus didn't go anywhere when He died. He stayed in his tomb. His "spirit" that he commended to God,, was nothing more than the breath of Life.,,
Those who beleive the dead are alive will be decieved by satan.
See how easy it is to make your beliefs clear?
L
Nope,, you really don't make your beliefs clear.
I will make mine very clear.
The dead know nothing. Nobody is in the lake of fire. it hasn't even been created. Satan is loose on this earth. Satan and his angels are not being offered forgiveness.. They had the chance to stop their rebellion,, they didn't,,, God cast them out of heaven,, and death by fire awaits them. They will be turned to ash.
Jesus didn't go anywhere when He died. He stayed in his tomb. His "spirit" that he commended to God,, was nothing more than the breath of Life.,,
Those who beleive the dead are alive will be decieved by satan.
See how easy it is to make your beliefs clear?
I will make mine very clear.
The dead know nothing. Nobody is in the lake of fire. it hasn't even been created. Satan is loose on this earth. Satan and his angels are not being offered forgiveness.. They had the chance to stop their rebellion,, they didn't,,, God cast them out of heaven,, and death by fire awaits them. They will be turned to ash.
Jesus didn't go anywhere when He died. He stayed in his tomb. His "spirit" that he commended to God,, was nothing more than the breath of Life.,,
Those who beleive the dead are alive will be decieved by satan.
See how easy it is to make your beliefs clear?
Ok now let me cast my problem on your belief. You said Jesus didn't go anyhwere when He died, and His Spirit is NOTHING MORE than the breath of Life.
Is that a blasphemy or what? So which part of Jesus is God?
Well you don't even read, how can it be clear to you.
Ok now let me cast my problem on your belief. You said Jesus didn't go anyhwere when He died, and His Spirit is NOTHING MORE than the breath of Life.
Is that a blasphemy or what? So which part of Jesus is God?
Ok now let me cast my problem on your belief. You said Jesus didn't go anyhwere when He died, and His Spirit is NOTHING MORE than the breath of Life.
Is that a blasphemy or what? So which part of Jesus is God?
And now you claim I blaspheme God??? How stupid of you.
If you believe that fallen angels were given another shot at getting back into heaven,, you are the Ignorant one,, not me.
I did notice that you told me I was ignorant. I believe that was your first post, perhaps your second. Oh well.. i don't care,, I think you're so confused, you don't even know what you believe. lol