Is LITERAL Hellfire Torment A Bible Teaching?
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Which of these lies are you calling a 'most likley" truth:
Jesus went to hell to preach to people already burning in Gods Eternal Torture Chamber,, possibly to get a few to come out.. (as if the rest decided hellfire is just fine) lol
Jesus went to some spirit holding place and talked some evil angels into forgiving God and coming back home to heaven.
Or this Truth?
Jesus lay dead in His tomb and rose the 3rd day. And ascended to His Father in Heaven.?
Jesus went to hell to preach to people already burning in Gods Eternal Torture Chamber,, possibly to get a few to come out.. (as if the rest decided hellfire is just fine) lol
Jesus went to some spirit holding place and talked some evil angels into forgiving God and coming back home to heaven.
Or this Truth?
Jesus lay dead in His tomb and rose the 3rd day. And ascended to His Father in Heaven.?
leonardronaldo,
re: "did you read the whole parable of the surrounding?"
I was responding to the one verse that you referenced. If you needed more verses to make your point, why didn't you reference them also? Nevertheless, the surrounding verses say nothing about eternal torture for the unsaved either.
re: "did you read the whole parable of the surrounding?"
I was responding to the one verse that you referenced. If you needed more verses to make your point, why didn't you reference them also? Nevertheless, the surrounding verses say nothing about eternal torture for the unsaved either.
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Oh, i thought everybody will read the verse in context without being commended. Okay.
Have you read sir?
Please tell me then what do you think about the wicked and slothful servant mentioned in the verse 26, and the goats in the left mentioned in the verse 32 and 33? Who are they and what are their futures in that text?
Have you read sir?
Please tell me then what do you think about the wicked and slothful servant mentioned in the verse 26, and the goats in the left mentioned in the verse 32 and 33? Who are they and what are their futures in that text?
first I'm "ignorant" and right after that I'm a "sir"?????
Is this part of your dual personality? The first part being you,, calling me ignorant,,, and the Last part being Jesus,, referring to me as a "sir".???
I don't see being in heaven with you, as you are now, as being a possibility.. That's the kinda of comments you get returned to you, when you call people ignorant... Perhaps you are a lousy servant of God.
You had several chances to tell me your belief,, yet you decided that name calling was the route Jesus wanted you to take.
You failed Jesus. Terribly.
Is this part of your dual personality? The first part being you,, calling me ignorant,,, and the Last part being Jesus,, referring to me as a "sir".???
I don't see being in heaven with you, as you are now, as being a possibility.. That's the kinda of comments you get returned to you, when you call people ignorant... Perhaps you are a lousy servant of God.
You had several chances to tell me your belief,, yet you decided that name calling was the route Jesus wanted you to take.
You failed Jesus. Terribly.
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Sigh. Luckily it's not you who judge who is going to be accepted by God.
First of all, I gave reason why I called you ignorant, because you didn't even want to be aware to read others' posts.
Secondly, Jesus did rebuke his disciples and men at least in 3 different incidents.
Thirdly, I did tell what I believe in my posts, it's just you yourself who don't want to read them, and instead focusing on what I called you.
First of all, I gave reason why I called you ignorant, because you didn't even want to be aware to read others' posts.
Secondly, Jesus did rebuke his disciples and men at least in 3 different incidents.
Thirdly, I did tell what I believe in my posts, it's just you yourself who don't want to read them, and instead focusing on what I called you.
Okay,, I found this lie that you have been teaching people as the truth..
Soooo,,, you believe that the dead are alive. I knew you did. I see straight thru people like you.
You have been decieved into thinking that dead people are actually alive and can see and hear and communicate,, with both the living and the dead, no doubt.
The thief didn't go anywhere when he died. Nor did Jesus tell him that he was going to be in Paradise (heaven) that day!!!
Here is how you got your false belief:
You think the scripture reads like this;
"verily I say to you,,,,,,,TODAY you shall be with Me in paradise." <<<<<WRONG,,,WRONG,,,WRONG!
"Verily I say to you TODAY,,,,,,you shall be with me in paradise." <<<<<RIGHT,,,RIGHT,,,RIGHT!
A comma can be a powerful piece of punctuation as you can see in the above scripures.
You believe that Jesus and the thief met up in paradise that same day they both died. But,,,,,,,You also know that the scriptures has Jesus mentioning the following after His ressurection:
"I have not yet ascended to My Father."
Sooo,,, that means,,, in order for your false doctrine to be believable,,,,you then have to decide on a place somewhere other than heaven to call "paradise"!!!!!!!!!
So then,, you take a Parable (lazarus,begger, abrahams bosom), and decide it must be a true story,, because you need a place other than heaven to place the thief and Jesus that they might be alive and together in a place not in heaven, that you can call,, Paradise,,, which turns into Abrahams Bosom!!!!!!!!
You have been decieved. I have traced out the route of your deception from it's onset.
Yet, you call me ignorant? lol
Soooo,,, you believe that the dead are alive. I knew you did. I see straight thru people like you.
You have been decieved into thinking that dead people are actually alive and can see and hear and communicate,, with both the living and the dead, no doubt.
The thief didn't go anywhere when he died. Nor did Jesus tell him that he was going to be in Paradise (heaven) that day!!!
Here is how you got your false belief:
You think the scripture reads like this;
"verily I say to you,,,,,,,TODAY you shall be with Me in paradise." <<<<<WRONG,,,WRONG,,,WRONG!
"Verily I say to you TODAY,,,,,,you shall be with me in paradise." <<<<<RIGHT,,,RIGHT,,,RIGHT!
A comma can be a powerful piece of punctuation as you can see in the above scripures.
You believe that Jesus and the thief met up in paradise that same day they both died. But,,,,,,,You also know that the scriptures has Jesus mentioning the following after His ressurection:
"I have not yet ascended to My Father."
Sooo,,, that means,,, in order for your false doctrine to be believable,,,,you then have to decide on a place somewhere other than heaven to call "paradise"!!!!!!!!!
So then,, you take a Parable (lazarus,begger, abrahams bosom), and decide it must be a true story,, because you need a place other than heaven to place the thief and Jesus that they might be alive and together in a place not in heaven, that you can call,, Paradise,,, which turns into Abrahams Bosom!!!!!!!!
You have been decieved. I have traced out the route of your deception from it's onset.
Yet, you call me ignorant? lol
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Lol never did I say or believe in a second that the spirit of the dead can be communicated nor can communicate with the spirit of the living.
Lol, There is no Comma in the manuscript. However, most translations use comma, which I don't say a mistake, it's good in some way.
Major bible translation (KJV, NKJV, NASB, NIV, ESV, RSV; insert the comma before the word 'today'.
And the preface of Jesus' response is actually typical Jesus, which is: Verily I say unto thee (KJV) or I tell you the truth (some other translations).
Only Jesus used this phrase in NT, I believe, and more than 70 times. In all those typical preface, it would be strange if He uses a different approach, since in all of them there is no additional 'today' term in the phrase.
Secondly, what's the point of saying Verily I say unto you today, if what He really meant was what you say. Of course he was speaking on that day, who will argue he was speaking the day before or the day after?
For the verse John 20, on Jesus haven't ascended to My Father. Of course His Body hasn't because it has to be fulfilled that His body stayed in the grave 3 days and 3 nights.
What I can't believe some people deny, is the SPIRIT of JESUS is GOD HIMSELF which means HE can be OMNIPRESENT, anywhere he likes to, anytime he likes to.
Yes, I am sorry to say, those who believe HIS GOD's SPIRIT is dead, are deceived and ignorant.
Lol, There is no Comma in the manuscript. However, most translations use comma, which I don't say a mistake, it's good in some way.
Major bible translation (KJV, NKJV, NASB, NIV, ESV, RSV; insert the comma before the word 'today'.
And the preface of Jesus' response is actually typical Jesus, which is: Verily I say unto thee (KJV) or I tell you the truth (some other translations).
Only Jesus used this phrase in NT, I believe, and more than 70 times. In all those typical preface, it would be strange if He uses a different approach, since in all of them there is no additional 'today' term in the phrase.
Secondly, what's the point of saying Verily I say unto you today, if what He really meant was what you say. Of course he was speaking on that day, who will argue he was speaking the day before or the day after?
For the verse John 20, on Jesus haven't ascended to My Father. Of course His Body hasn't because it has to be fulfilled that His body stayed in the grave 3 days and 3 nights.
What I can't believe some people deny, is the SPIRIT of JESUS is GOD HIMSELF which means HE can be OMNIPRESENT, anywhere he likes to, anytime he likes to.
Yes, I am sorry to say, those who believe HIS GOD's SPIRIT is dead, are deceived and ignorant.
You said: "Lol never did I say or believe in a second that the spirit of the dead can be communicated nor can communicate with the spirit of the living."
Then, you turn around and say this: Secondly, what's the point of saying Verily I say unto you today, if what He really meant is what you say."
There isn't any scripture that would suggest any activity by Jesus while He was in the Tomb. None.
So,, by your own admissions, you believe the dead theif was alive with Jesus in some place called Paradise,, which must be some other place other than Heaven...
Demons shall masquerade as dead loved ones in the last days.
It is not hard for Satan to make it appear as if our dead loved ones are alive.
And if you already believe that dead people are actually alive in some fashion (spirit form), Satan will easily decieve you.
If you know the dead know nothing,, Satan cannot use the agency of the dead as a tool to decieve.
So,, I would reconsider your views about dead people being alive in some spirit form.. They are dead.
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Human beings don't have souls. They ARE souls. Yeah! I'm a living breathing SOUL. That's what I am! 
And when I die (if I do before the Lord comes), I will sleep in Jesus who will resurrect me (Me in my entirety!) from the dead at the last trump.
And when I die (if I do before the Lord comes), I will sleep in Jesus who will resurrect me (Me in my entirety!) from the dead at the last trump.
the dead is judged directly i thought? Hebrews 9:27
Judgement begins at the house of God. The cases of the saved are being reviewed right now. There is a record of everything you and I have ever said or done in heaven. When you die, if you are saved,,your case is reviewed, Satan says, you sinned,, God says,, yes,,, But, you repented. Therefore you are saved.
God is not concerned with with judging the wicked at time. The cases of the wicked will be reviewed by the saints during the 1000 years that we are in heaven with Jesus. A working vacation,, if you will..lol..
The Bible does say that we shall judge angels as well as the world.
You do not have to be alive to have your case reviewed. But, everybody will be convinced that God's judgements are just. Three groups will be convinced that God is just in His dealing with sinners. The saved, the wicked, and those of unfallen worlds.
If you are really interested in a fascinating sermon,, I strongly urge you to listen to Stephen Bohr's Presentation titled "Exonerating God".
It is most interesting. hopefully you will check it out.
God is not concerned with with judging the wicked at time. The cases of the wicked will be reviewed by the saints during the 1000 years that we are in heaven with Jesus. A working vacation,, if you will..lol..
The Bible does say that we shall judge angels as well as the world.
You do not have to be alive to have your case reviewed. But, everybody will be convinced that God's judgements are just. Three groups will be convinced that God is just in His dealing with sinners. The saved, the wicked, and those of unfallen worlds.
If you are really interested in a fascinating sermon,, I strongly urge you to listen to Stephen Bohr's Presentation titled "Exonerating God".
It is most interesting. hopefully you will check it out.