Christ is the Sabbath ( Rest )

[Wall]

there's an error i see.
Nobody can claim to be Christian unless his or her life is justified by the Holy Spirit.
if you claim to be Christian yet you do those things, then you are a liar. the Holy Spirit never justified you in the first place

JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.[16] AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER, AND HE SHALL GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.[21] HE THAT HATH MY COMMANDMENTS, AND KEEPETH THEM, HE IT IS THAT LOVETH ME: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I WILL LOVE HIM, AND WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM.

In order to receive the Holy Spirit we must first be keeping Gods 10 commandments. The 4th included. Thats what John 14{15-16} says. This truth is also found in verse {21}.

So leonardonaldo how did you receive the spirit you have?

 

[Bryancampbell]

@John,

1 "However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain."

2 "Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

3 "One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God."

1-Galatians 4:8-11 NASB
2-Colossians 2:16-17 NASB
3-Romans 14:5-6 NASB

 

[Wall]

The Jews continued to gather on the Sabbath but the church is not mentioned in doing so. There is just no record in the scriptures of this happening.

Don't you think Paul was part of the church?

ACTS 17 [2] AND PAUL, AS HIS MANNER WAS, went in unto them, and three SABBATH DAYS reasoned with them out of the scriptures,[3] Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

 

[leonardronaldo]

Matthew 12
At that time, Jesus went on the Sabbath day through the corn; and His disciples were hungry and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto Him, “Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the Sabbath day.”
3 But He said unto them, “Have ye not read what David did when he hungered and they that were with him:
4 how he entered into the house of God and ate the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law how on the Sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless?

Jesus was pointing to the PHARISEES, their HYPOCRISIES for they themselves also abusing (maybe you didn't see the word profane there), yet act blameless and judge others.

 

[zone]

Mat 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

He is saying that conducting Sabbath services is blameless.

let's seeeeeeeee:

Hebrews 8:13
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.


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Luke 22:20
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

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John 19:30
When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

teleó: to bring to an end, complete, fulfill
Original Word: τελέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: teleó
Phonetic Spelling: (tel-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I end, accomplish, pay
Definition: (a) I end, finish, (b) I fulfill, accomplish, (c) I pay.

Cognate: 5055 teléō (from 5056 /télos, "consummation, completion") – properly, to complete (consummate), i.e. finish (qualitatively) the necessary process – with the results "rolling-over" to the next level (phase) of consummation. See 5056 (telos).

[This root (tel-) means "reaching the end (aim)." It is well-illustrated with the old pirate's telescope, unfolding (extending out) one stage at a time to function at full-strength (capacity effectiveness).]

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Romans 6:4
3Know you not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection

Romans 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

 

[leonardronaldo]

JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.[16] AND I WILL PRAY THE FATHER, AND HE SHALL GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.[21] HE THAT HATH MY COMMANDMENTS, AND KEEPETH THEM, HE IT IS THAT LOVETH ME: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I WILL LOVE HIM, AND WILL MANIFEST MYSELF TO HIM.

In order to receive the Holy Spirit we must first be keeping Gods 10 commandments. The 4th included. Thats what John 14{15-16} says. This truth is also found in verse {21}.

So leonardonaldo how did you receive the spirit you have?

lol at your interpreation of the passage
So you are saying, humans must keep the 10 commandments first before the Holy Spirit will be given?
for how long is it that requirement?
lolololol
then to be saved and justified by the holy spirit, first you must do 10 commandments first?
nice logic.

 

[josh123]

let's seeeeeeeee:

Hebrews 8:13
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.


....


Luke 22:20
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

.....

John 19:30
When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

teleó: to bring to an end, complete, fulfill
Original Word: τελέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: teleó
Phonetic Spelling: (tel-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I end, accomplish, pay
Definition: (a) I end, finish, (b) I fulfill, accomplish, (c) I pay.

Cognate: 5055 teléō (from 5056 /télos, "consummation, completion") – properly, to complete (consummate), i.e. finish (qualitatively) the necessary process – with the results "rolling-over" to the next level (phase) of consummation. See 5056 (telos).

[This root (tel-) means "reaching the end (aim)." It is well-illustrated with the old pirate's telescope, unfolding (extending out) one stage at a time to function at full-strength (capacity effectiveness).]

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Romans 6:4
3Know you not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection

Romans 7:6
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

Amen brother! speak the truth, unfortunately some people are blinded by the truth so they can continue to live in their illusion

 

[josh123]

lol at your interpreation of the passage
So you are saying, humans must keep the 10 commandments first before the Holy Spirit will be given?
for how long is it that requirement?
lolololol
then to be saved and justified by the holy spirit, first you must do 10 commandments first?
nice logic.

LOOOL this is what they don't get.... it is IMPOSSIBLE to abide any LAWS of christ WITHOUT the HOLY SPIRIT in YOU... they don't realise they are robbing their own self from their salvation

 

[john832]

what's MBFM?
okay then explain to me this:
Exodus 16
29 See, for the Lord hath given you the Sabbath; therefore He giveth you on the sixth day the bread for two days. Abide ye every man in his place. Let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.”
(so stay at your house all day)
Exodus 35
3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the Sabbath day.”
(fire back then, I supposed a replacement for electricity, so no electricity all day)
Deuteronomy 5
14 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: In it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates, that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
(no work in your household may be done)
Exodus 31
15 Six days may work be done, but on the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whosoever doeth any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Numbers 15
32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man who gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day.
33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him under guard, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, “The man shall be surely put to death. All the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.”

(any violators shall be put to death)

Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

What is this talking about? Not going out and gathering your daily bread. We do that today by going to work and then to the supermarket. So what should we do? Don't work on the Sabbath to earn your living and don't do your shopping on the Sabbath. The Sabbath is not a burden...

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

OK, Exodus 35...

Exo 35:1 And Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said unto them, These are the words which the LORD hath commanded, that ye should do them.
Exo 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
Exo 35:3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

Now the following is connected to verse 3...

Exo 35:4 And Moses spake unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, saying, This is the thing which the LORD commanded, saying,
Exo 35:5 Take ye from among you an offering unto the LORD: whosoever is of a willing heart, let him bring it, an offering of the LORD; gold, and silver, and brass,
Exo 35:6 And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats' hair,
Exo 35:7 And rams' skins dyed red, and badgers' skins, and shittim wood,
Exo 35:8 And oil for the light, and spices for anointing oil, and for the sweet incense,
Exo 35:9 And onyx stones, and stones to be set for the ephod, and for the breastplate.
Exo 35:10 And every wise hearted among you shall come, and make all that the LORD hath commanded;
Exo 35:11 The tabernacle, his tent, and his covering, his taches, and his boards, his bars, his pillars, and his sockets,
Exo 35:12 The ark, and the staves thereof, with the mercy seat, and the vail of the covering,
Exo 35:13 The table, and his staves, and all his vessels, and the shewbread,
Exo 35:14 The candlestick also for the light, and his furniture, and his lamps, with the oil for the light,
Exo 35:15 And the incense altar, and his staves, and the anointing oil, and the sweet incense, and the hanging for the door at the entering in of the tabernacle,
Exo 35:16 The altar of burnt offering, with his brasen grate, his staves, and all his vessels, the laver and his foot,
Exo 35:17 The hangings of the court, his pillars, and their sockets, and the hanging for the door of the court,
Exo 35:18 The pins of the tabernacle, and the pins of the court, and their cords,
Exo 35:19 The cloths of service, to do service in the holy place, the holy garments for Aaron the priest, and the garments of his sons, to minister in the priest's office.

The subject here was work on the Tabernacle. The Sabbath is so important to God He did not want them to even work and labor on the Tabernacle on His Sabbath. The part about not kindling a fire was about the fact that they used large communal fires to do work. Check a few aommentaries and you will find that this is instruction not to build a fire to do work with on the Sabbath. How about cooking?

Exo 12:16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

It's OK to prepare a meal on the Sabbath. Now should one roast a turkey or prepare a big potroast?

Exo 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

do the heavy lifting on Friday, the preparation day, instead of the Sabbath.

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

OK, I don't work for a living on the Sabbath day, neither do I hire people to work for me on the Sabbath. We had some timber cut on our farm a few years ago, guess what, the timber cutters did not work on the Sabbath. I don't see what is so difficult about this. Those circumstances in my direct control are in MY control. There is no work done on the Sabbath.

Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

OK, so let's get a few N.T. scriptures involved here...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Sin is the breaking (transgression) of the Law. What is the result?

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Num 15:32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
Num 15:33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
Num 15:34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
Num 15:35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

See the above. Now let me see, this is the one who became Jesus Christ telling the people that breaking His Sabbath is a capital offence. Are you more righteous than Him? More compassionate than Christ? More loving than Christ? Allowing sin to continue will corrupt more people and bring more misery...

Ecc 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

Did you notice that all of your questions here are directed at statements made by God? Maybe your problem is with Him and not me.

 

[Wall]

that Covenant no longer exists.


Hebrews 10
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Sure it does

PSALM 89 [30] IF HIS CHILDREN FORSAKE MY LAW, and walk not in my judgments; [31] If they break my statutes, AND KEEP NOT MY COMMANDMENTS; [32] Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. [33] Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. [34] MY COVENANT WILL I NOT BREAK, NOR ALTER the thing that is gone out of my lips.

Have you and yours altered HIS 4th commandment?

PS- If your trying to make the case that the covenant of Hebrews 10 has arrived...you'd be wrong

 

[john832]

LOOOL this is what they don't get.... it is IMPOSSIBLE to abide any LAWS of christ WITHOUT the HOLY SPIRIT in YOU... they don't realise they are robbing their own self from their salvation

So, with the Holy Spirit in us, should we abide by the Law of God?

 

[Bryancampbell]

Sure it does

PSALM 89 [30] IF HIS CHILDREN FORSAKE MY LAW, and walk not in my judgments; [31] If they break my statutes, AND KEEP NOT MY COMMANDMENTS; [32] Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. [33] Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. [34] MY COVENANT WILL I NOT BREAK, NOR ALTER the thing that is gone out of my lips.

Have you and yours altered HIS 4th commandment?

PS- If your trying to make the case that the covenant of Hebrews 10 has arrived...you'd be wrong

But you missed it, it wasn't God that broke it, it was Israel...

 

[Wall]

So you are saying, humans must keep the 10 commandments first before the Holy Spirit will be given?
for how long is it that requirement?
lolololol
then to be saved and justified by the holy spirit, first you must do 10 commandments first?
nice logic.

Im saying? I didn't write the bible

 

[john832]

Sure it does

PSALM 89 [30] IF HIS CHILDREN FORSAKE MY LAW, and walk not in my judgments; [31] If they break my statutes, AND KEEP NOT MY COMMANDMENTS; [32] Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. [33] Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. [34] MY COVENANT WILL I NOT BREAK, NOR ALTER the thing that is gone out of my lips.

Have you and yours altered HIS 4th commandment?

PS- If your trying to make the case that the covenant of Hebrews 10 has arrived...you'd be wrong

Hey there Wall my friend, you are absolutely correct...

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

It is ready to and will at the return of Christ. But ready to and already done are two different things. Just ask someone who is ready to eat if they are already full.

 

[john832]

But you missed it, it wasn't God that broke it, it was Israel...

Uh, yeah, they were the problem not the Covenant. The Covenant is not the Ten Commandments either, it is the agreement between God and the people. The Ten Commandments were the terms and conditions given to the people.

 

[john832]

LOOOL this is what they don't get.... it is IMPOSSIBLE to abide any LAWS of christ WITHOUT the HOLY SPIRIT in YOU... they don't realise they are robbing their own self from their salvation

Hmmm, I think I will continue to rob my self...

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[john832]

Matthew 12
At that time, Jesus went on the Sabbath day through the corn; and His disciples were hungry and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto Him, “Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the Sabbath day.”
3 But He said unto them, “Have ye not read what David did when he hungered and they that were with him:
4 how he entered into the house of God and ate the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law how on the Sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless?

Jesus was pointing to the PHARISEES, their HYPOCRISIES for they themselves also abusing (maybe you didn't see the word profane there), yet act blameless and judge others.

The accusation was that they broke the Sabbath. Do you know why?

 

[leonardronaldo]

Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

What is this talking about? Not going out and gathering your daily bread. We do that today by going to work and then to the supermarket. So what should we do? Don't work on the Sabbath to earn your living and don't do your shopping on the Sabbath. The Sabbath is not a burden...

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

OK, Exodus 35...

Exo 35:1 And Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said unto them, These are the words which the LORD hath commanded, that ye should do them.
Exo 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
Exo 35:3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

Now the following is connected to verse 3...

Exo 35:4 And Moses spake unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, saying, This is the thing which the LORD commanded, saying,
Exo 35:5 Take ye from among you an offering unto the LORD: whosoever is of a willing heart, let him bring it, an offering of the LORD; gold, and silver, and brass,
Exo 35:6 And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats' hair,
Exo 35:7 And rams' skins dyed red, and badgers' skins, and shittim wood,
Exo 35:8 And oil for the light, and spices for anointing oil, and for the sweet incense,
Exo 35:9 And onyx stones, and stones to be set for the ephod, and for the breastplate.
Exo 35:10 And every wise hearted among you shall come, and make all that the LORD hath commanded;
Exo 35:11 The tabernacle, his tent, and his covering, his taches, and his boards, his bars, his pillars, and his sockets,
Exo 35:12 The ark, and the staves thereof, with the mercy seat, and the vail of the covering,
Exo 35:13 The table, and his staves, and all his vessels, and the shewbread,
Exo 35:14 The candlestick also for the light, and his furniture, and his lamps, with the oil for the light,
Exo 35:15 And the incense altar, and his staves, and the anointing oil, and the sweet incense, and the hanging for the door at the entering in of the tabernacle,
Exo 35:16 The altar of burnt offering, with his brasen grate, his staves, and all his vessels, the laver and his foot,
Exo 35:17 The hangings of the court, his pillars, and their sockets, and the hanging for the door of the court,
Exo 35:18 The pins of the tabernacle, and the pins of the court, and their cords,
Exo 35:19 The cloths of service, to do service in the holy place, the holy garments for Aaron the priest, and the garments of his sons, to minister in the priest's office.

The subject here was work on the Tabernacle. The Sabbath is so important to God He did not want them to even work and labor on the Tabernacle on His Sabbath. The part about not kindling a fire was about the fact that they used large communal fires to do work. Check a few aommentaries and you will find that this is instruction not to build a fire to do work with on the Sabbath. How about cooking?

Exo 12:16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

It's OK to prepare a meal on the Sabbath. Now should one roast a turkey or prepare a big potroast?

Exo 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

do the heavy lifting on Friday, the preparation day, instead of the Sabbath.

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

OK, I don't work for a living on the Sabbath day, neither do I hire people to work for me on the Sabbath. We had some timber cut on our farm a few years ago, guess what, the timber cutters did not work on the Sabbath. I don't see what is so difficult about this. Those circumstances in my direct control are in MY control. There is no work done on the Sabbath.

Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

OK, so let's get a few N.T. scriptures involved here...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Sin is the breaking (transgression) of the Law. What is the result?

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Num 15:32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
Num 15:33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
Num 15:34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
Num 15:35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

See the above. Now let me see, this is the one who became Jesus Christ telling the people that breaking His Sabbath is a capital offence. Are you more righteous than Him? More compassionate than Christ? More loving than Christ? Allowing sin to continue will corrupt more people and bring more misery...

Ecc 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

Did you notice that all of your questions here are directed at statements made by God? Maybe your problem is with Him and not me.

SO DO YOU DO SABBATH AS IT IS WRITTEN? PERFECTLY? EVERY TIME THERE IS Christians who fail to observe those requirements, PERFECTLY, do you put them (or yourself) to death?
ALL I WANT TO SAY is, humans fail, without the justification of the Holy Spirit. Unless people realize that, there is no grace.
And where is your opinion on PERSECUTED CHRISTIANS who DON'T uphold and worship GOD on the same sabbath day as you do?

 

[john832]

@John,

1 "However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain."

2 "Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

3 "One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God."

1-Galatians 4:8-11 NASB
2-Colossians 2:16-17 NASB
3-Romans 14:5-6 NASB

You haven't been reading the thread I see. Number three is easy...

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/69621-christ-sabbath-rest-4.html#post1125788

Give me a couple and I'll address 1 and 2, they require a fair treatment instead of a one liner.

 

[leonardronaldo]

Im saying? I didn't write the bible

hey don't cut a quotation from others. that's like a false witness.
where was my first sentence there?