Sda's: If the Sabbath is an important law of God, then why...?

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john832

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And loving GOD with all one's being is a summation of the first four commandments. What is loving GOD with all of one's being? Keeping his commandments.

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14:21


And what are his commandments?
This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment (in John 13:34). 1 John 3:23

As I said in my earlier post, no commandment or law can override this one. He that does this has obeyed GOD is well-pleasing to him.
So loving God with all ones heart is a summary of the first four? Are you keeping the first four? That is what the short summation to love God is.
 

john832

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And loving GOD with all one's being is a summation of the first four commandments. What is loving GOD with all of one's being? Keeping his commandments.

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14:21


And what are his commandments?
This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment (in John 13:34). 1 John 3:23

As I said in my earlier post, no commandment or law can override this one. He that does this has obeyed GOD is well-pleasing to him.
And what are His Commandments? Hmmm, sounds just like the rich young ruler...

Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which?


And how did Christ answer him?

Mat19:18 ...Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Now, really, which are His Commandments? What did Christ command from Mt. Sinai?

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

This was Jesus Christ speaking. And then He said...

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Now have heaven and earth passed away? Has all been fulfilled?

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Pretty stern warning here.
 

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And what are His Commandments? Hmmm, sounds just like the rich young ruler...

Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which?


And how did Christ answer him?

Mat19:18 ...Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
ppl love to take that passage out of context...and make it say the opposite of what it really says.
 

zone

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So loving God with all ones heart is a summary of the first four? Are you keeping the first four? That is what the short summation to love God is.
are you keeping The First and Greatest?
 

john832

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amen brother... same thing happening this present day and they don't realise did you also see who crucified jesus? 33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. day THERE( the most holy place, nowadays the church today) THEY ( the most holy of holy people crucified my lord and savior because of the truth!, nowadays they worshipping in vain leaving jesus out the church and doing their own thing and neglecting the heavenly gift... forms of godliness) it's the same exact thing happen today.... and they condemning themselves and don't realise it... so proud and blinded.. by their own pride which is blocking them from the truth, i believe because the truth is too simple for some people.. they want the truth to be a colorful rainbow or something.. when god is a humble person
Who actually killed Christ...

Mar 10:33 Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:
Mar 10:34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Who is the "they" in verse 34? Who is the antecedant of "they"? The Gentiles.
 

john832

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Actually the title of this thread shows a great deal of ignorance. The OP has assumed that the only people who keep the Sabbath are SDAs. There are more than 500 Sabbath keeping groups in the Sabbatarian world.
 

zone

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Who actually killed Christ...

Mar 10:33 Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:
Mar 10:34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Who is the "they" in verse 34? Who is the antecedant of "they"? The Gentiles.
oh come on.
we all know the story...or we should.
the jews didn't have authority under Roman rule to execute people.
the Pharisees and scribes stirred up the people (jews) to call out - CRUCIFY HIM.
we're told Pilate tried to NOT DO IT.

Peter the Israelite held Israel accountable as well.

Acts 4:10
then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.

so did Stephen:

Acts 7
51“You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you. 52Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered, 53you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it.”

The Stoning of Stephen
54Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth at him. 55But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” 57But they cried out with a loud voice and stopped their ears and rushed togetherb at him. 58Then they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.


read Psalm 2 - jews and gentiles
imagining a vain thing - they could do away with the Son of God and cast off God Himself.
sure.
 

zone

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Actually the title of this thread shows a great deal of ignorance. The OP has assumed that the only people who keep the Sabbath are SDAs. There are more than 500 Sabbath keeping groups in the Sabbatarian world.
Sabbatarian

Sabbatarian, as an adjective, may refer to:

First-day Sabbatarianism, Christian observance of Sabbath (rest) on the first day of the week
Puritan Sabbatarianism, the Reformed practice of the avoidance of recreation on the first day of the week
Seventh-day Sabbatarianism, Christian observance of Sabbath on the seventh day of the week
Jewish Sabbatarianism, Jewish observance of Sabbath on the seventh day of the week
Subbotniks, a Russian sect categorized as Jews or Judaizing Christians
Szekler Sabbatarians, a Transylvanian and Hungarian Unitarian religious group
 
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danschance

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Actually the title of this thread shows a great deal of ignorance. The OP has assumed that the only people who keep the Sabbath are SDAs. There are more than 500 Sabbath keeping groups in the Sabbatarian world.
The title is correct. This is meant to deal with SDA's and if other sabbatarians want to chime in that is their business.
Thanks for the unwarranted insult.
 

zone

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let's put the EMFASIS on the other SILABELS

Who actually killed Christ...

Mar 10:33 Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:
Mar 10:34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Who is the "they" in verse 34? Who is the antecedant of "they"? The Gentiles.
 
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So loving God with all ones heart is a summary of the first four? Are you keeping the first four? That is what the short summation to love God is.
In GOD's eyes, yes I am keeping the first four when I love my neighbor as myself.

When are you going to start believing what the bible says instead of ignoring select portions for the sake of your unbelief? The 10 commandments are summarized in the two great commandments; keep the two and you've kept all 10. And obedience to the commandment to love your neighbor as yourself is obedience to the 2 great commandments.

Summary: GOD is well pleased when we love our neighbor as ourselves. There is no law or commandment against that law (and this includes the 4th commandment).
 
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And what are His Commandments? Hmmm, sounds just like the rich young ruler...
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which?
And how did Christ answer him?
Mat19:18 ...Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Well gee whiz... look at that. The son of GOD didn't mention the 4th commandment. Wonder why that is?

And Jesus didn't tell him that if he wanted to be perfect to keep the sabbath, but to forsake his own ways and follow Christ. Did Christ teach the sabbath? No. He taught that love fulfills the law (which includes the 4th commandment).

Pretty stern warning here.
And here's a stern warning for you

But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Romans 9:31-33

And [Jesus] beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. Luke 20:17-18

 
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Who actually killed Christ...

Mar 10:33 Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:
Mar 10:34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Who is the "they" in verse 34? Who is the antecedant of "they"? The Gentiles.
38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.
39 But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?
40 Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.
[h=3]John 18:38-40[/h]
 
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danschance

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38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.
39 But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?
40 Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.
John 18:38-40
People who claim the Jews did not kill Jesus must also say King David did not kill Uriah the Hittite.

David Arranges for Uriah’s Death

14 So the next morning David wrote a letter to Joab and gave it to Uriah to deliver.15 The letter instructed Joab, “Station Uriah on the front lines where the battle is fiercest. Then pull back so that he will be killed.”16 So Joab assigned Uriah to a spot close to the city wall where he knew the enemy’s strongest men were fighting.17 And when the enemy soldiers came out of the city to fight, Uriah the Hittite was killed along with several other Israelite soldiers. 2Sam. 11
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Actually the title of this thread shows a great deal of ignorance. The OP has assumed that the only people who keep the Sabbath are SDAs. There are more than 500 Sabbath keeping groups in the Sabbatarian world.
yes there are and have been other sabbatarian denominations...and do you know what the result has been in every historical case?

mass conversions to judaism...abandoning christ...

the modern sabbath keeping denominations are still young...give them time and they will do the same...
 
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8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:Ephesians 2:8 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.Mark 16:16 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Hebrews 11:6 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6 now who is adding to what god says? i'm sorry i choose to do the right thing and believe in my god and because i let go of myself and let him in he saved me. it is written i choose to follow the way of god. did he say no man can come to me unless they keep the sabbath? i didn't think so..
Of course, they are all true, But all the scripture you quote does not make it not also the truth that to sin is death, and through Christ is forgiveness. And how does Christ forgive? Our part in that is repentance. So how can we repent of sin and keep sin? How can we have faith in God if we don't believe God's words? We are saved by trusting in our Savior, our Savior says to be forgiven, be wiped clean. That means we repent. You are right in your scriptures, but if you are posting these to prove that sin does not kill, then you are wrong.
 
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People who claim the Jews did not kill Jesus must also say King David did not kill Uriah the Hittite.
The people who killed Jesus belonged to the Jewish race. Christ also belonged to the Jewish race, so did Paul and John the Baptist. Booth killed President Lincoln. Have you looked up what race he belonged to so you can post that, too? Booth represented the people who resented Lincoln freeing the slaves. We could do the same thing with that entire group.
 
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1) The patriarchs before Moses are never instructed once to keep the Sabbath but they are instructed on:
Tithing (Gen. 14:20)
Circumcision (Gen. 17:10
Marriage (Gen. 2:24, 34:9)
Does this mean tithing, circumcision and marriage are more important that keeping the Sabbath?

2) Why is there not one example of the Sabbath being kept before Moses?

3) What does this scripture mean to you?


How could Adam, Noah and Abraham keep the sabbath when it became a covenant with Moses and none before?

4) Why is the Sabbath commandment never stated in the New Testament?

5) Why is there no example of exclusively Christians coming together on the Sabbath day as a church or prayer meeting after the resurrection of Christ?





*[[Gen 2:2-3]] KJV* %v 2% And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. %v 3% And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The word rest means sabbath. They kept the sabbath of the Lord at creation before sin entered this world.

Isaiah says God's people will keep the sabbath of the Lord in the new earth.
 
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*[[Gen 2:2-3]] KJV* %v 2% And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. %v 3% And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The word rest means sabbath. They kept the sabbath of the Lord at creation before sin entered this world.

Isaiah says God's people will keep the sabbath of the Lord in the new earth.
Gen 2 is interesting and I appreciate you posting this, but it is still not a command that any man should keep. Adam and not been created yet. There is no indication that this is a law for Adam to keep. This also contradicts other passages that state:

1) Deut. 5:2-3 which states that these covenants did not apply to others before.
The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

2) The Sabbath was first employed during the exodus of Gods of the jews and never before.

3) You can not point to scripture and prove the following statement:
"They kept the sabbath of the Lord at creation before sin entered this world." Laodicea
This is nothing but myth.

4)"Isaiah says God's people will keep the sabbath of the Lord in the new earth." Laodicea
Too bad you did not list a scripture.