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I don't know how many more homelands the Arabs need. Do we in North America need all of our space ? But I do know that roughly 3/4's of a million were either expelled or fled for their safety ... and that was back in 1948. Real people ... real families with real children ... and living in real homes. All gone and pushed aside. And for the most part, pretty much ignored or forgotten because we in the west have learned not to put faces on them. Just more Arab's causing problems for the rest of us ... and more importantly, more problems for those who evicted them ... i.e. ... God's "chosen people" that utterly despise His Christ ... the Messiah. Big problems ... no solutions. And all happening just as it is supposed to.
Or to put the whole thing into simple to understand language,there are no GROUNDS for Zone to be disfellowshipped from the LCMS on this matter. You have built a straw man.
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Also, we acknowledge the possibility that the historical form of the Antichrist could change. Of course, in that case another identified by these marks would rise.
Also taken from the same
Also, we acknowledge the possibility that the historical form of the Antichrist could change. Of course, in that case another identified by these marks would rise.
man,i almost don't want to say anything,,,but any way as i have explained i am Jewish by blood and christian by faith. Christ him self brings up a valid point when he states...."wars and (RUMORS),of wars" so in his own words we should not at all be shocked to find that somewhere in the midst of all the wars we(the world) become involved in that we are expected to find that we were told at certain times "rumors" about the wars we have fought.
lol,now everyone is pointing at each other saying "yea! see i told you!!!",,,,but that still doesn't explain why christ stated in the scriptures "rumors of wars",,,,now I'm no mathematical gueines but if we take the square mile figures from ww2 Germany,Poland France ect. and add up 6 mill jews,all the German soldiers,the allied forces,the Italians,the civilians ect. that died in ww2,,,somewhere there is suppose to be a grave yard the size of Texas,,
but there are other problems also at Stalingrad,and the Berlin wall,,that is the Russians and the Germans lost count of the millions of dead and although they killed without mercy aunts,uncles,sons,daughters,fathers and mothers,,at the end of the war then we are to believe Nazi Germany and communist Russia became allies?,,,hmm if you shoot my father,wife,son,ect. "i wouldn't sit down with you and play checkers",,,
i think it's a thinking process,,,i was ask "iamsoandso,would you eat wienies,Vienna sausages,bologna ect.???",,,,,and my answer is ,,,,"i might,,,if you can show me the grave yard the size of Texas where they burry all of the eyes,ears,noses,intestines ect. from all the animals they butcher",,,they laugh and drop it also,,
lol,now everyone is pointing at each other saying "yea! see i told you!!!",,,,but that still doesn't explain why christ stated in the scriptures "rumors of wars",,,,now I'm no mathematical gueines but if we take the square mile figures from ww2 Germany,Poland France ect. and add up 6 mill jews,all the German soldiers,the allied forces,the Italians,the civilians ect. that died in ww2,,,somewhere there is suppose to be a grave yard the size of Texas,,
but there are other problems also at Stalingrad,and the Berlin wall,,that is the Russians and the Germans lost count of the millions of dead and although they killed without mercy aunts,uncles,sons,daughters,fathers and mothers,,at the end of the war then we are to believe Nazi Germany and communist Russia became allies?,,,hmm if you shoot my father,wife,son,ect. "i wouldn't sit down with you and play checkers",,,
i think it's a thinking process,,,i was ask "iamsoandso,would you eat wienies,Vienna sausages,bologna ect.???",,,,,and my answer is ,,,,"i might,,,if you can show me the grave yard the size of Texas where they burry all of the eyes,ears,noses,intestines ect. from all the animals they butcher",,,they laugh and drop it also,,
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and yes the LCMS remains open to the possibility that the role of antichrist could pass to another figure...however the LCMS firmly holds to the belief that the papacy was the antichrist in luther's time and continues to be -the- antichrist to this day...
to cite your own quotation..."To the extent that the papacy continues to claim as official dogma the canons and decrees of the Council of Trent which expressly anathematizes, for instance, the doctrine 'that justifying faith is nothing else than trust in divine mercy which remits sins for Christ's sake, or that it is that trust alone by which we are justified,' the judgment of the Lutheran confessional writings that the papacy is the Antichrist holds."
zone on the other hand has indicated on numerous occasions that she believes rabbinic judaism has always been the antichrist...and that the pope has only ever at most been a puppet...
so no zone does -not- hold to confessional lutheran doctrine or to the stated doctrine of the LCMS...and within confessional lutheran churches such as the LCMS excommunication is resorted to when a person persists in unrepentant doctrinal error as defined by the lutheran confessions after an arbitrary period of admonition...
it would especially be an issue because she proudly declares herself to be a member in good standing of the LCMS while expressing doctrine not taught by the LCMS...
zone may be your friend but there is no excuse for supporting what is essentially a claim of exemption from doctrinal accountability within a church body that practices doctrinal accountability...
to cite your own quotation..."To the extent that the papacy continues to claim as official dogma the canons and decrees of the Council of Trent which expressly anathematizes, for instance, the doctrine 'that justifying faith is nothing else than trust in divine mercy which remits sins for Christ's sake, or that it is that trust alone by which we are justified,' the judgment of the Lutheran confessional writings that the papacy is the Antichrist holds."
zone on the other hand has indicated on numerous occasions that she believes rabbinic judaism has always been the antichrist...and that the pope has only ever at most been a puppet...
so no zone does -not- hold to confessional lutheran doctrine or to the stated doctrine of the LCMS...and within confessional lutheran churches such as the LCMS excommunication is resorted to when a person persists in unrepentant doctrinal error as defined by the lutheran confessions after an arbitrary period of admonition...
it would especially be an issue because she proudly declares herself to be a member in good standing of the LCMS while expressing doctrine not taught by the LCMS...
zone may be your friend but there is no excuse for supporting what is essentially a claim of exemption from doctrinal accountability within a church body that practices doctrinal accountability...
but not a conspiracy to lie to you (all the world).
just lies after the fact to cover up blunders?
not sure.
maybe getting you confused with someone else.
alright.
nothing new then that the hegemonic powers make plans to hold their positions, regardless of the "price".
dollars and cents.
we agree on that.
again, i perhaps have had you confused with the people who live in reality, where no such hegemonic structure exists, neither does ever it work toward consolidating its power; nor make plans generations in advance.
petroleum profits?
lol...if you say so.
what were they doing in Afghanistan?
something about a coalition of the willing if i recall.
was it a reactionary strike following 9-11?
smoking out the bad guys kinda thing?
did they ever find them....or no.
nobody seems to want to post the names we have in the official narrative. i wonder why.
you knew even while Mr. Rumsfeld was relying on faulty intelligence that there was no evidence the Iraqis were involved in 9-11?
maybe you should have called the Pentagon.
Al-Qaeda?
was it Al-Qaeda Saddam was trying to keep out of Iraq?
or someone else?
did he get double-crossed?
what and who is Al-Qaeda?
sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
too bad you're a conspiracy theorist who picks and chooses his theories, and doesn't follow through with what he does know.
we could have had a conversation.
i see.
the administration changes...through the democratic voting process - but the policies and agendas remain the same.
same trajectory.
no inter-connectedness though.
just people reacting to mistakes and faulty intelligence.
actually the single agenda regardless of party is good indication you're under fascism.
the policies and world-wide aggression says global fascism.
eh...nah. that's ridiculous.
but she was and still is walking around free.
defense of genocide?
how about active participation in it.
active involvement in planning for it.
any idea who she is?
then...everything you just said is moot?
now you've gone back to mistakes.
and incompetence.
there was something about OIL.
and hegemony.
and neocons.
is it?
broadly speaking that's a pat answer.
does that include you as an american?
how about your neighbor?
who is calling the shots down there?
any idea?
what interest doe the united States have in Iraq?
or Syria?
be specific if you could.
is it global hegemony?
when did that become american policy?
do you have anything else?
you haven't asked me what i deny.
and you do not appear to know much about the subject. if you did you'd have said so.
so there's no conversation to be had.
grand chessboard players?
imperialistic and secretive?
that sounds mysterious.
who are they?
what are their names?
are they really secretive? or have they written extensive policy papers making it plain who they are and what they want?
you tell me.
yes...lots of pressure everywhere to silence criticism.
i wonder why?
why didn't you comment on this?
[video=youtube;D0kWAqZxJVE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE[/video]
"Anti-semitic, its a trick we always use it"
is Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni antisemitic?
just answer yes or no.
this proves what?
that i could wind up before a tribunal, based on your continuing unsubstantiated claim that i'm a holocaust denier?
you haven't defined Holocaust; denier; or exactly what you think it is i deny.
you haven't old me what the officially accepted narrative is, therefore, i don't know what parts you think i "deny".
that won't matter at all, though, since the issue not asking questions about WW2 and the events around it.
the issue is being stopped by any means possible from doing so.
i don't know if you commented on this video posted earlier either.
BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Christian Zionism | PBS - Hagee and the Xtian Zionists call for:
a military preemptive strike, on Iran....to prevent...a nuclear holocaust.....in Israel.
this is acceptable speech, even welcomed and encouraged.
we hear it at the UN; from Tel Aviv; from Washington; from so-called churches in North America.
THE PROPOSAL - an holocaust (death by burning) in Iran committed by the United States, for on Israel's behalf, with no evidence whatsoever Iran has or are pursuing WMD <<<HEY THAT SOUNDS FAMILIAR is acceptable.
and american christians wave the israeli flag as they cheer for this.
these things are rarely if ever openly condemned.
we have Americans (?
) dropping bombs on japanese citizens - burning them alive.
we have Americans dropping napalm on Vietnamese burning them alive.
we have Israel dropping white phosphorous on Palestinians, burning them alive.
and then we have this:
according to the official definition, if you accept the [Jewish] Holocaust Historians revised facts, so are you
no one was burned alive in death camps.
there were no death camps on German soil - Simon Wiesenthal
did you get around to addressing that?
because according to the original official definition (which has been revised), Mr. Wiesenthal would have been a holocaust denier.
that's why none of you will ever truly address it.
you've been well trained.
sad, but true.
and it's your problem, not mine.
just lies after the fact to cover up blunders?
not sure.
maybe getting you confused with someone else.
alright.
nothing new then that the hegemonic powers make plans to hold their positions, regardless of the "price".
dollars and cents.
we agree on that.
again, i perhaps have had you confused with the people who live in reality, where no such hegemonic structure exists, neither does ever it work toward consolidating its power; nor make plans generations in advance.
petroleum profits?
lol...if you say so.
what were they doing in Afghanistan?
something about a coalition of the willing if i recall.
was it a reactionary strike following 9-11?
smoking out the bad guys kinda thing?
did they ever find them....or no.
nobody seems to want to post the names we have in the official narrative. i wonder why.
you knew even while Mr. Rumsfeld was relying on faulty intelligence that there was no evidence the Iraqis were involved in 9-11?
maybe you should have called the Pentagon.
Al-Qaeda?
was it Al-Qaeda Saddam was trying to keep out of Iraq?
or someone else?
did he get double-crossed?
what and who is Al-Qaeda?
sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
too bad you're a conspiracy theorist who picks and chooses his theories, and doesn't follow through with what he does know.
we could have had a conversation.
i see.
the administration changes...through the democratic voting process - but the policies and agendas remain the same.
same trajectory.
no inter-connectedness though.
just people reacting to mistakes and faulty intelligence.
actually the single agenda regardless of party is good indication you're under fascism.
the policies and world-wide aggression says global fascism.
eh...nah. that's ridiculous.
but she was and still is walking around free.
defense of genocide?
how about active participation in it.
active involvement in planning for it.
any idea who she is?
then...everything you just said is moot?
now you've gone back to mistakes.
and incompetence.
there was something about OIL.
and hegemony.
and neocons.
is it?
broadly speaking that's a pat answer.
does that include you as an american?
how about your neighbor?
who is calling the shots down there?
any idea?
what interest doe the united States have in Iraq?
or Syria?
be specific if you could.
is it global hegemony?
when did that become american policy?
do you have anything else?
you haven't asked me what i deny.
and you do not appear to know much about the subject. if you did you'd have said so.
so there's no conversation to be had.
grand chessboard players?
imperialistic and secretive?
that sounds mysterious.
who are they?
what are their names?
are they really secretive? or have they written extensive policy papers making it plain who they are and what they want?
you tell me.
yes...lots of pressure everywhere to silence criticism.
i wonder why?
why didn't you comment on this?
[video=youtube;D0kWAqZxJVE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE[/video]
"Anti-semitic, its a trick we always use it"
is Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni antisemitic?
just answer yes or no.
this proves what?
that i could wind up before a tribunal, based on your continuing unsubstantiated claim that i'm a holocaust denier?
you haven't defined Holocaust; denier; or exactly what you think it is i deny.
you haven't old me what the officially accepted narrative is, therefore, i don't know what parts you think i "deny".
that won't matter at all, though, since the issue not asking questions about WW2 and the events around it.
the issue is being stopped by any means possible from doing so.
i don't know if you commented on this video posted earlier either.
BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Christian Zionism | PBS - Hagee and the Xtian Zionists call for:
a military preemptive strike, on Iran....to prevent...a nuclear holocaust.....in Israel.
this is acceptable speech, even welcomed and encouraged.
we hear it at the UN; from Tel Aviv; from Washington; from so-called churches in North America.
THE PROPOSAL - an holocaust (death by burning) in Iran committed by the United States, for on Israel's behalf, with no evidence whatsoever Iran has or are pursuing WMD <<<HEY THAT SOUNDS FAMILIAR is acceptable.
and american christians wave the israeli flag as they cheer for this.
these things are rarely if ever openly condemned.
we have Americans (?
) dropping bombs on japanese citizens - burning them alive.we have Americans dropping napalm on Vietnamese burning them alive.
we have Israel dropping white phosphorous on Palestinians, burning them alive.
and then we have this:
according to the official definition, if you accept the [Jewish] Holocaust Historians revised facts, so are you
no one was burned alive in death camps.
there were no death camps on German soil - Simon Wiesenthal
did you get around to addressing that?
because according to the original official definition (which has been revised), Mr. Wiesenthal would have been a holocaust denier.
that's why none of you will ever truly address it.
you've been well trained.
sad, but true.
and it's your problem, not mine.
R
radical israelophile?
who needs that when you're clearly anti-arab.
that's permissible and even admirable today though.
where's the beef on the excommunication due to heterodoxy rachel.
post it.
your say-so means zip.
who needs that when you're clearly anti-arab.
that's permissible and even admirable today though.
where's the beef on the excommunication due to heterodoxy rachel.
post it.
your say-so means zip.
"Conditions for acquiring and holding membership in the Synod are the following:"
"1. Acceptance of the confessional basis of Article II."
"Article II. Conditions under which joining the Synod can take place and fellowship with the same can continue."
"§2. Acceptance of all of the symbolical books of the evangelical Lutheran church (namely: the three ecumenical creeds, the unaltered Augsburg Confession, its Apology, the Smalcald Articles, the Large and Small Catechisms of Luther and the Formula of Concord), as the pure and unadulterated explanation and exposition of the divine Word."
...which clearly you do -not- accept as you dissent from the lutheran confessions on the identity of the antichrist
i for one am done being silent while a -fake lutheran- calls people fake christians for not agreeing with her gutter doctrine...
provide any Lutheran policy that says i must confess the Papacy is the very antichrist (meaning as we ALL know - Mystery Babylon the Great). or that i must confess AT ALL anything about the Papacy to be a confirmed Lutheran.
the papacy is clearly antichrist, since they deny the Biblical gospel and anathematized it. that's why i'm not a catholic
if during my confirmation, my pastor forgot to have me swear or confess that i agree the Papacy is the Great Antichrist Harlot from scripture, perhaps he should be excommunicated as well.
i'd ask if your pastor during your confirmation has had or will have you pledge/agree that the Papacy is the very antichrist of scripture before confirming you, but i already know the answer.
the big antichrist?
which one is that from scripture rachel?
post on HIM or it.
show me the Papacy in the bible. named and identified.
i already know you deny the harlot of Rev was Jerusalem.
the reformers clearly believed the papacy was the very antichrist of scripture.
you prove it is.
you have not been able to so far, as long as you've been here.
but you could start today.
i have no problem agreeing with the lutheran confessions that the papacy is antichrist duh.
i absolutely am not required to confess or profess the papacy is THE ANTICHRIST in scripture (even though there is no captial A antichrist).
if i were required to do it (which i'm not and the suggestion is ludicrous), i would have to decline, since the Mystery Babylon of Revelation was Apostate Jerusalem. we make no such "confessions" in the church.
the Catholic Church virtually never comes up.
the papacy is clearly antichrist, since they deny the Biblical gospel and anathematized it. that's why i'm not a catholic
if during my confirmation, my pastor forgot to have me swear or confess that i agree the Papacy is the Great Antichrist Harlot from scripture, perhaps he should be excommunicated as well.
i'd ask if your pastor during your confirmation has had or will have you pledge/agree that the Papacy is the very antichrist of scripture before confirming you, but i already know the answer.
the big antichrist?
which one is that from scripture rachel?
post on HIM or it.
show me the Papacy in the bible. named and identified.
i already know you deny the harlot of Rev was Jerusalem.
the reformers clearly believed the papacy was the very antichrist of scripture.
you prove it is.
you have not been able to so far, as long as you've been here.
but you could start today.
i have no problem agreeing with the lutheran confessions that the papacy is antichrist
duh.i absolutely am not required to confess or profess the papacy is THE ANTICHRIST in scripture (even though there is no captial A antichrist).
if i were required to do it (which i'm not and the suggestion is ludicrous), i would have to decline, since the Mystery Babylon of Revelation was Apostate Jerusalem. we make no such "confessions" in the church.
the Catholic Church virtually never comes up.
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Wikipedia says “The LCMS holds that all 'false teachers who teach contrary to Christ's Word are opponents of Christ' and, insofar as they do so, are anti-Christ. The LCMS does not teach, nor has it ever taught, that any individual Pope as a person is to be identified with the Antichrist. However, to the extent that the papacy continues to claim as official dogma the canons and decrees of the Council of Trent, the LCMS position is that the office of the papacy is the Antichrist.” So maybe you are both partly right. I don't think this has much to do with US tax dollars going to Israel.
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provide any Lutheran policy that says i must confess the Papacy is the very antichrist (meaning as we ALL know - Mystery Babylon the Great). or that i must confess AT ALL anything about the Papacy to be a confirmed Lutheran.
the papacy is clearly antichrist, since they deny the Biblical gospel and anathematized it. that's why i'm not a catholic
if during my confirmation, my pastor forgot to have me swear or confess that i agree the Papacy is the Great Antichrist Harlot from scripture, perhaps he should be excommunicated as well.
i'd ask if your pastor during your confirmation has had or will have you pledge/agree that the Papacy is the very antichrist of scripture before confirming you, but i already know the answer.
i absolutely am not required to confess or profess the papacy is THE ANTICHRIST in scripture (even though there is no captial A antichrist).
if i were required to do it (which i'm not and the suggestion is ludicrous), i would have to decline, since the Mystery Babylon of Revelation was Apostate Jerusalem. we make no such "confessions" in the church.
the papacy is clearly antichrist, since they deny the Biblical gospel and anathematized it. that's why i'm not a catholic
if during my confirmation, my pastor forgot to have me swear or confess that i agree the Papacy is the Great Antichrist Harlot from scripture, perhaps he should be excommunicated as well.
i'd ask if your pastor during your confirmation has had or will have you pledge/agree that the Papacy is the very antichrist of scripture before confirming you, but i already know the answer.
i absolutely am not required to confess or profess the papacy is THE ANTICHRIST in scripture (even though there is no captial A antichrist).
if i were required to do it (which i'm not and the suggestion is ludicrous), i would have to decline, since the Mystery Babylon of Revelation was Apostate Jerusalem. we make no such "confessions" in the church.
as i have already shown from LCMS statements of doctrine and the lutheran confessions...the 'doctrine of the evangelical lutheran church' includes the teaching that the papacy is the antichrist...
maybe you should have paid better attention...i haven't even been confirmed and i knew that...
R
don't change the subject...if you want to see the arguments for identifying the antichrist with the papacy then i refer you to the lutheran confessions and other historical lutheran writings...
i personally am not even sure if the papacy should be identified with 'the antichrist' or man of lawlessness...but we are not talking about -me-
the question is whether or not your profession as a member of the LCMS is hypocritical given your dissent from LCMS doctrine...and thus far i have shown that the answer to that is clearly -yes-
i personally am not even sure if the papacy should be identified with 'the antichrist' or man of lawlessness...but we are not talking about -me-
the question is whether or not your profession as a member of the LCMS is hypocritical given your dissent from LCMS doctrine...and thus far i have shown that the answer to that is clearly -yes-
R
what gutter doctrine is that rachel?
that Jerusalem was Mystery Babylon the Great Harlot?
i'll take my chances with LCMS
you take yours with God by calling what He said gutter doctrine.
which you have from day one.
that Jerusalem was Mystery Babylon the Great Harlot?
i'll take my chances with LCMS
you take yours with God by calling what He said gutter doctrine.
which you have from day one.
but this is exactly the kind of gutter doctrine i was talking about...questioning the salvation of others based on something -other than- salvation by grace alone through faith in christ alone...
and this isn't the first time you have said such things...i recall several times when you insinuated that anyone who disagreed with you about your conspiracy slander was under suspicion of being unsaved...
in fact these kinds of statements coming from you indicate that -you don't believe- in salvation by grace alone through faith in christ alone...you have tacked something else onto the gospel...
now it is 'salvation by grace through faith in christ -and- every word that proceeds from the mouth of zone when she speaks ex cathedra'
so now you are preaching a -false gospel-...and that isn't very lutheran of you either...
R
'thus saith the lord' whenever zone interprets scripture apparently...get ready for the -zone apostolic reformation- everyone!
i have to say...i have never seen such a tortuously roundabout way of -adding to the gospel- and -presuming to exercise the office of a prophet- before...but if anyone can come up with something convoluted and devious it is a conspiracy theorist...
i have to say...i have never seen such a tortuously roundabout way of -adding to the gospel- and -presuming to exercise the office of a prophet- before...but if anyone can come up with something convoluted and devious it is a conspiracy theorist...
R
like i explained to someone else earlier...while the LCMS does not teach that the antichrist is an -individual pope- they -do- teach that the -office of the papacy- is the antichrist...other confessional lutheran churches are essentially the same...
so when someone comes along proclaiming themselves to be LCMS...and yet argues that the papacy is not and never has been the 'big antichrist' and has only ever been at most a puppet...in opposition to the doctrine of the LCMS that is affirmed in the LCMS confirmation rite...that is what i call rank hypocrisy...and what LCMS members would call heterodox doctrine...
so when someone comes along proclaiming themselves to be LCMS...and yet argues that the papacy is not and never has been the 'big antichrist' and has only ever been at most a puppet...in opposition to the doctrine of the LCMS that is affirmed in the LCMS confirmation rite...that is what i call rank hypocrisy...and what LCMS members would call heterodox doctrine...