To be perfect or not!

[Cobus]

Be Perfect!​

I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. (Gen 17:1)
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Mat 5:48)
The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master. (Luke 6:40)
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: (Eph 4:13)
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. (James 1:17)
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. (1 Peter 5:10)
Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; (Rev 3:4)


Above is only a few verses that shows how serious God is about perfection of character and acts, in every person He wants for His Church. Right from the beginning God had only one goal for man on earth.... To BE PERFECT! If God did not want us to be perfect He would have build the flaws into Adam. But Adam was perfect, because God only knows how to make perfect. God does not know how to make evil or imperfect.



Remember this: Every perfect gift is from above, from GOD!

So, here is the truth, if God wants you to be perfect, He has to give you a gift or the gift from God Himself. No man can be perfect if God does not give that man the perfect gift from God.
The moment God said to Abram: walk before me, and be thou perfect. I knew God would not say this to a man, and not make that man perfect. How unfair and how sadistic would it be of the almighty God to say this to a man and knowing all to well, only He can make a man perfect. God would not expect a man to be perfect, without Him giving that man the perfection of character and acts.... Our God is NOT like that. If He tells us to be a certain way, He will give us the means to achieve His Will for us to be that way. If it is God’s will that man should be perfect, and the means to be perfect is also ONLY with God then HE will make His will happen.
I know God does not waste words or just say things like an empty minded person would. Every word spoken by God has meaning and purpose. When God taught us right through the Bible about BE PERFECT, God had a meaning and a purpose for these two words... The purpose was to make His purpose (or will) come to effect for His Glory. And this verse captures the whole Scripture of God... The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
The Lord knows that He has to make a person perfect, to be as Jesus was here on earth. That is why He gives them the SEED OF GOD! God’s SEED does not leave any of God’s perfect children. Not EVER! Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
The SEED OF GOD is the PERFECT gift from God: A perfect heart, a perfect soul and a perfect spirit, FOR HIS GLORY!


Get this and NEVER forget it again. If God gives you the perfect gift, the perfection will REMAIN in you FOREVER! His SEED will NEVER leave you. If God says his seed remainith in you, it means it STAYS in you forever. Jesus was as God because God’s SEED was in Him, and God says every one that is perfect SHALL BE AS HIS MASTER. The perfect gift of God is to make ALL HIS DISCIPLES AS PERFECT AS JESUS!



And here is the final truth to REMEMBER...

1. Here on earth in flesh, we will be as our Master.... Jesus!
2. When Jesus comes again and we come with Him, we will be as our Master... Jesus!
Whether we are in the flesh (our mortal bodies), we shall be as Jesus: Perfect!
And when we come in our immortal bodies we shall be as Jesus: Perfect!


God gave us the gift, and He is NEVER sorry He did give us the gift.... For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. This shows that God is NEVER sorry about giving us the calling, and the gift to BE PERFECT!

Lord Jesus, how great Thou art! Be perfect Lord, Amen!
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Even the calling is from above. Imagine the POWER of the GIFT from above, that follows the calling.... WOW! How great Thou art LORD! AMEN!

 

[RickShafer]

Hey my fellow rugby player!
Nice to have you back Cobus.
Now, I must ask you a serious question,......(has God made you perfect yet?)

 

[Cobus]

Ask Him Rick, why ask me? Ask Him!

 

[danschance]

Welcome back future hunting partner!

How do you like my profile pic of a handsome gembok?

 

[Starcrash]

But Adam was perfect, because God only knows how to make perfect. God does not know how to make evil or imperfect.

That's clearly not true. Adam was not perfect, because Adam "fell from grace". To use an analogy, it's like building a computer, declaring yourself the perfect computer builder, and then blaming the computer itself for crashing. Popular Christian theology also includes a fall from grace among the angels -- do you also blame Lucifer for making himself evil? Isn't God at least somewhat to blame for Lucifer wanting to oppose him? If Heaven was what it claims to be (a place of eternal happiness), could it even be possible for someone to want to rebel? If God's kingdom was the best possible kingdom that it could be, how could anyone logically look at it and say "I could do better"?

Nor could it possibly be true that God "wouldn't know how to make evil" or "imperfect[ion]" if you believe that God created everything. Are you also asserting that evil predated creation? Every time that the bible lists another sin, it is literally "creating evil" by defining evil acts, and you believe that God is the author of those acts (and also allows them), thus God is the only one responsible for creating evil. If anything, Adam and Eve were simply baited with evil and took the bait... they certainly didn't set the trap, nor does the narrative even suggest that they were purposely trying to do evil.

 

[directline2iam]

Did you think you were to take that literally? Are you in the flesh? Ain't happnen

 

[danschance]

A Holy and just God demands perfection, no doubt! Yet at the same time man is in a fallen state which is why Jesus died on the cross. Who can be holy/perfect besides God? Even the Apostle Paul said he was the chiefest of sinners. So if Paul can't be perfect, I have no hope either.

That is not to excuse sin. It is to underscore our need for the shed blood of Jesus Christ (John 3:16)

 

[danschance]

That's clearly not true. Adam was not perfect, because Adam "fell from grace". To use an analogy, it's like building a computer, declaring yourself the perfect computer builder, and then blaming the computer itself for crashing. Popular Christian theology also includes a fall from grace among the angels -- do you also blame Lucifer for making himself evil? Isn't God at least somewhat to blame for Lucifer wanting to oppose him? If Heaven was what it claims to be (a place of eternal happiness), could it even be possible for someone to want to rebel? If God's kingdom was the best possible kingdom that it could be, how could anyone logically look at it and say "I could do better"?

Nor could it possibly be true that God "wouldn't know how to make evil" or "imperfect[ion]" if you believe that God created everything. Are you also asserting that evil predated creation? Every time that the bible lists another sin, it is literally "creating evil" by defining evil acts, and you believe that God is the author of those acts (and also allows them), thus God is the only one responsible for creating evil. If anything, Adam and Eve were simply baited with evil and took the bait... they certainly didn't set the trap, nor does the narrative even suggest that they were purposely trying to do evil.

Sound logic.

 

[RickShafer]

Ask Him Rick, why ask me? Ask Him!

O.K.
Jesus is perfect.
You love Him because He chose you.
Therefore His perfection abides on you.
- Called grace.
- - If we didn't need it we wouldn't need Him.
- - - And He is the only perfect man.
Therefore Jesus stands in your stead as the perfect life for you.
- -- - - - Just keep trusting in Him Cobus. Never to you, always to Him.

 

[Kerry]

Everything God created was perfect. Man and angels were created perfect. However, being a righteous God, He created them with the ability of choice. God did not want robots to worship Him. there is no glory in that. It was man and angels choice that brought about evil. Lucifer chose to rebel against God. Adam chose to disobey God. It was mans choice and not imposed by God. In fact God did not want Adam to sin just like He don't want us to sin, but rather respected his choice.

 

[Brother_Don]

How do we know Adam knew what he was eating, he could have been tending the garden, and eve come up and ask him if he wants lunch, and he just takes a bite. Genesis 3:12, i can't say for sure what happened. When God seen His creation in the beginning He saw it was good.

 

[notuptome]

How do we know Adam knew what he was eating, he could have been tending the garden, and eve come up and ask him if he wants lunch, and he just takes a bite. Genesis 3:12, i can't say for sure what happened. When God seen His creation in the beginning He saw it was good.

Eve was beguiled not Adam. If you do not see that then it is because you do not want to see it. Adam took and ate that he might maintain his relationship with Eve. We as a result are born with a sin nature but each one makes a choice to yield to sin.

Our perfection comes only through Christ. We are made the very righteousness of God in Christ. 2 Cor 5:21 This body of flesh will be made perfect when we are glorified together with Christ. We will receive a new body made like unto His glorious body.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[XianCatalyst]

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Above is only a few verses that shows how serious God is about perfection of character and acts, in every person He wants for His Church. Right from the beginning God had only one goal for man on earth.... To BE PERFECT! If God did not want us to be perfect He would have build the flaws into Adam. But Adam was perfect, because God only knows how to make perfect. God does not know how to make evil or imperfect.

The Greek word for Perfect/Telioo/Telios does not mean UTOPIAN like you use the word. :|

In fact that UTOPIAN twist to the word, is only a hunnerd fifty years old, or so. Even when King Jim had the bible translated the word meant different than it does today. So, you are taking one word, and changing the author's intent by applying today's meaning on it. EXAMPLE: Let's go to the movies and have a gay old time. In the fifties that would have been a great idea. Today it sounds like a bunch of elderly gay men doing things together. The word GAY has been changed. YOU try to impose today's meaning, on yesterdays thought. MIght as well start calling red green and complaining about nobody else getting the colors right. NO GRASS IS RED DANGIT!!! RED I SAY!!!!!!!!

So, what does "perfect" mean?

Finished, complete, mature, full grown, fully serviceable, any of those examples would work ok. A boat is perfect, when it will get on the water, float, and let me catch fish. As I'm building it, I can have the paint half done, there could be scratches to be sanded out, chips in the wood, etc.... but if it works, it's perfect.

The most simple way to get the gist of the verses is to substitute MATURE for the word.

Now let's take just ONE of those verses and put it in context. MATTHEW 5:43-48.

Jesus says anyone can love their friends, but God loves His enemies as well. AND LOVE as Christ describes it, requires a demonstration, not just a warm fuzzy heart flutter. That's exemplified by, "He even brings the sun and rain on his enemies". Then Jesus goes on to say, that you should love your enemies not just your friends. Your love should be perfect/as mature, as God's is.

I.E. You need to love not only your friends but your enemies just like GOD does.

There is no declaration for you to be "american english" perfect.

In almost every instance you find the word it's used to describe a completed journey of some sort. Whether in LOVE as in Matt 5 here, or in Xian maturity as in Phil 3. The word is a descriptive word, not a title word. I.E. every time you see it, it's not discussing the same thing, the word is used to define a conversation, not be the focus of the conversation.

I hope that helps.

 

[XianCatalyst]

A Holy and just God demands perfection, no doubt! Yet at the same time man is in a fallen state which is why Jesus died on the cross. Who can be holy/perfect besides God? Even the Apostle Paul said he was the chiefest of sinners. So if Paul can't be perfect, I have no hope either.

That is not to excuse sin. It is to underscore our need for the shed blood of Jesus Christ (John 3:16)

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Good thing man isn't supposed to stay in that state, right? 1 john 3:7-9, Romans 8:9

Paul said he was perfect, and not only him but others as well.

Don't force scripture's interpretation on what is most convenient for you, learn what it's saying and let your life be changed by it, not your live change it.

 

[danschance]

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Good thing man isn't supposed to stay in that state, right? 1 john 3:7-9, Romans 8:9

Paul said he was perfect, and not only him but others as well.

Don't force scripture's interpretation on what is most convenient for you, learn what it's saying and let your life be changed by it, not your live change it.

I can't find the verse where Paul claims to be perfect. Maybe you can enlighten me and post it.

The bible says:

If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
1John 1:8

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

That's clearly not true. Adam was not perfect, because Adam "fell from grace". To use an analogy, it's like building a computer, declaring yourself the perfect computer builder, and then blaming the computer itself for crashing.

Adam was perfect within the confines of his designated domain. Once he corrupted himself by deciding to step outside of that arena, he was no longer perfect. GOD created Adam in his own image; godlike, i.e., with free will.

 

[4enlightment]

Adam was perfect within the confines of his designated domain. Once he corrupted himself by deciding to step outside of that arena, he was no longer perfect. GOD created Adam in his own image; godlike, i.e., with free will.

Genesis 3:6When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

2 Corinthians 5:7 For we live by faith, not by sight.

Genesis 2:17but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Genesis 3:4“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.

Romans 4:5However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

Romans 15:13May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 5:44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

Luke 18:26Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?”

Matthew 19:11Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.

Mark 9:23“‘If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for one who believes.”

 

[Blain]

I in no way am perfect, no matter how much I wish to be until Jesus makes that change in me I will never be perfect. And honestly anyone who claims to be perfect and without sin is only fooling themselves and are heading on the path of self destruction. The devil will try to convince us we are perfect but not for our Benefit but his because he knows where the path of self righteousness leads.
We should always strive to be just like Jesus in all ways possible, but we can never achieve his level of perfection as long as we are in the flesh. So instead of being so focused on being perfect let us turn our focus on our relationship with him and seek love and humbleness instead of perfection. Who amongst us can look God in the eyes and say they are perfect?

 

[FIRE_of_ELIJAH]

Welcome back brother !!! God wants us to be perfect as well as we want to be perfect but unfortunately we've always failed. Don't worry brother cobus...we can achieve this perfection like Jesus when He will settle His kingdom in New Earth.

 

[letti]

Thank you,Blain all fall short.ALL