Feeling too stupid to read the Bible

OwenHeidenreich · Aug 31, 2013

Don't limit God, who is far more powerful than the enemy.

The enemy himself is weakness BTW.

I have prayed for many people and seen very many of them healed (some were not because of my lack of faith.)

If I can pray for a torn ACL to be healed, and see a non believing kid come to school the next day without a metal brace on (which he needed for 8 more months, but he was healed so he no longer needed it)

if i can see THAT healed by the love of Christ then another son or daughter of God can pray for someone to raise from the dead and see THAT happen to. God is not intimidated by death.

FAITH BROTHA!

Huckleberry · Aug 31, 2013

savedandhopeful said:

Whenever I'm reading a book, any book, not just the Bible, I invariably come to a word in which I'm ignorant of its definition. Do I gloss past it, and miss out on the idea the author intended to convey? Absolutely not. I simply open my trusty dictionary and learn what the word means. Same goes for reading the Bible. A good dictionary should define every word contained in the KJV, even "neesings".

Trax · Aug 31, 2013

savedandhopeful said:

You are right where you need to be, and that is knowing you are too stupid to get it. If more
Christians saw that in themselves, rather than think "they" can get it, the church would be in
more agreement on doctrine. When you follow the advice of "get a Bible *you* can understand",
you take it out of God's hand and put the glory on yourself. The day I saw I was too stupid
to get it, was the same day the Holy Spirit began to work and show me. Before that time,
I spent almost 30 years of using a Bible *I* liked and could understand. Almost 30 years
of using various Bible translations and comparing verses and looking up the greek and hebrew.
And after almost 30 years, I saw that "doing it myself", profitted me very little. I use the KJV
Bible only and it isn't because I'm a KJV ONLY person, but because I know it is an inspired translation
and THAT is like getting a hand written letter from God. If a Bible isn't inspired, it isn't a hand
written letter from God, but from man. I read the KJV because that is what the Holy Spirit
wants me to read, and NOT what *I* want to read. I'm learning more, because He is doing it
and not on account of the brain I have.

WeStand · Aug 31, 2013

OwenHeidenreich said:

I didn't say anything about healings, and raising one from the dead is NOT a healing, that's a bonafide miracle! GOD ALMIGHTY has NOT worked with miracles since the time of the Apostles. Divine Intervetion and Healings Yes! but don't worry, the Great Miracles are just around the corner and that signals us, to run like hell to the wilderness, just like Moses and Christ both, taught us.

Faith is for a servant, and I served with faith for 42 years, but have since heard The Words of Our Father concerning Christ/Messiah and HIS Plan of Salvation in and through him, Christ. Now I am no longer a servant, but rather a friend, as a servant knows not what his Master doeth. The Plan IS PERFECT! .

OwenHeidenreich · Aug 31, 2013

WeStand said:

healings are real miracles. raising from the dead is a healing, there body was healed therefore they are alive!

We categorize healings as either greater or lesser because of our own human emotions. However, you and I most likely believe that God is not ruled by our emotions and therefore a papercut or moving a mountain is requires the same amount of faith on our part and the same amount of power on God's part.

Faith is everything to me. To me, any healing is an amazing miraculous act of great Godly power!

Ive never heard of Jesus teaching me, "When you see great miracles, run into the wilderness."

ForthAngel · Sep 1, 2013

OwenHeidenreich said:

There is only one type of miraculous healing according to scripture and it only has one level - instantaneous and non-revokable.

Praying for healing according to God's will and a person being healed over time is not a miracle. It's God doing his will according to your prayer in agreement with his will. He may choose not to heal someone according to his will in which your prayer is not in agreement with his will. This is why we pray and ask what we want and take Jesus as an example - "Your will Father, not mine"

Miraculous healing and resurrection is not active today. What you think you have witnessed was not miraculous healing according to scripture and second hand accounts of resurrection are all over the place. Thousands of claims, but not one person claiming to have been raised.

1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared

2 Thessalonians 2
9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Sorry to partially hijack the thread. I will take it elsewhere after this.

Equuas · Sep 1, 2013

All well translated bibles in any language are inspired be God. If only the KJV was inspired then how would the people who do not speak English have God's inspired word? Do not let the KJV only people get you down. Did you know that after 2000 years good English translations have less then 1% differences. That's exciting as we can see God keeping His word pure throughout the ages!

OwenHeidenreich · Sep 1, 2013

ForthAngel said:

There is only one type of miraculous healing according to scripture and it only has one level - instantaneous and non-revokable.

Praying for healing according to God's will and a person being healed over time is not a miracle. It's God doing his will according to your prayer in agreement with his will. He may choose not to heal someone according to his will in which your prayer is not in agreement with his will. This is why we pray and ask what we want and take Jesus as an example - "Your will Father, not mine"

Miraculous healing and resurrection is not active today. What you think you have witnessed was not miraculous healing according to scripture and second hand accounts of resurrection are all over the place. Thousands of claims, but not one person claiming to have been raised.

1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared

2 Thessalonians 2
9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Sorry to partially hijack the thread. I will take it elsewhere after this.

Sorry but the people that I prayed for were healed instantaneously. for example, a kid at my school told me his hip flexor hurt to walk. I prayed. He walked. His hipflexor no longer hurt.

This has happened many many times in front of me and it still happens. This same thing happened but with asthma, and it was 2 weeks ago.

When I say healing I am implying "Instantaneous miracle"

WeStand · Sep 1, 2013

OwenHeidenreich said:

Sure you must have read it at one time as you are obviously very zealous for The Lord, mabey you just didn't fully understand it at the time.

Knowing exactly where the verses are in the Bible is not my gift. But if called on them, will look them up to prove that I am not lying,

Do you not remember when Christ stated that before his return, that there would be greater miracles and healings than that of him and the apostles?

This IS for a set time in Our Father's Plan; that ALL will be tempted in the hour of temptation, to attend the greater miracles that will be performed by none other than pretty boy himself instead-of-Christ (anti-Christ)

The rest will be interested in receiving the greater healings; so that you know how to jump in a spiritual body, when Christ as Melchezidek says JUMP! (the so-called rapture)

The rest however, who get there spiritual bodies back in the twinkling of an eye, that attended the Apostacy (the devils party) to watch The False Prophet, will find themselves unable to jump, when this earth is rejuvenated by a litteral evapouration of everything currently on this globe.

To begin The Lords Day of Teaching and Reckoning in the Spirit, and to begin to re-build the landing dock for Our Father's Alter to land on; made out of the same 12 precious gems that the Alter of GOD is made out of.

But this Does NOT! mean that anyone is going to die that cannot jump as the earth implodes and explodes, as was proven in the book of Daniel by the 3 that were thrown into the fiery furnace that was heated up to 7 times hotter than normal to burn a person alive and came through un-singed and without the smell of smoke on them.

Though one cannot be physically harmed in a spiritual body; they can however be, terribly shaken and burned, as in a truly spiritual embarrassment, that kind of burn.

As far as the wilderness goes; where did Moses bring 2.4 million Israelites to meet their Maker?

Where did the followers of Christ follow him to? and where did he feed them? Guarantee you it wasn't the Synagogues.

And Ultimately; NONE of this post means ANYTHING! IF it does not line up with what the 2 Great Witnesses have to say! It should be the same as this, and if it didn't line up; most certainly take everything said through me and toss it into the waste basket, as I am nothing but another man/woman/human.

Pay Attention and listen to the 2 Great Witnesses at that time!

WeStand · Sep 1, 2013

resurrection33 said:

Well I am assuming that the word you used means outdated, as in an antique.

And NO! it IS NOT Outdated at this time .

The Original KJV Bible came with a preface of warning that it was susceptable to error.

That IS why they numbered the verses of transliterated scripture, so that if one is unable to fully grasp what is being said, that there is more about that verse in the original Hebrew and Greek texts of scripture.

I guess no matter what translation one hears, one will attain a certain level of faith, I just have a feeling though; from what I have seen in many of these newer translations, they are nothing more than compounded errors, and would make it harder and longer to correct in the Hebrew and Greek; unless you want to trust the intellect of the man at this time that did the translation.

Our WW1 & WW2 soldiers willing gave their lives to bring this KJV translation to us; and though I openly admit that I closed the Old Testament in frustration many times, because of Not understanding it. Finally, after trying my whole life to get help with this, and giving up, to the point that I lost my faith and threw a litteral prayer of tantrum; I was showed in less than 1 Day a very sincere Pastor, that I certainly wasn't looking for anymore.

And YES Cathy! it was Arnold Murray of The Sheppard's Chapel who guided me through The Father's Words of Truth.

Kind of funny how I found this Big, little old man, teaching at Genisis 1:1 at 4:30 in the morning, telling me, NOT to believe him, that man or any other man or woman unless you check them out in The Word.

Though he is of course NOT perfect by any means; as NO man IS. I was able through him, NOT by him, able to hear with understanding Our Father's Words of Truth in English, BUT! with the Hebrew understanding.

I myself cannot understand why it is that many of his followers turn the man into a religion

and though many do, that's not really his fault, as these people are obviously following Arnold Murray the man, and not following The Word, that he teaches. But then there are others just like me, that have been sincerely helped through him.

Sorry about the length of the Post Ress.

Grey · Sep 1, 2013

So you feel you can't understand the book that you base your religion upon...

T_Laurich · Sep 1, 2013

Grey said:

Did you not read the OP???

She was using the title more so as an ironic metaphor than a definition.

directline2iam · Sep 1, 2013

savedandhopeful said:

Have you tried the expanded bible? I quite enjoy mine along with the KJV. Check out the following site, you'll find it helpful in your journey whether you have/get an expanded or not. Expanded Bible (EXB) - Version Information - BibleGateway.com

nathan3 · Sep 1, 2013

savedandhopeful said:

Don't worry about debating, reading the Bible is not about that. People sometimes get side tracked into debates that are not useful to anyone most often..

Rather just read Your Bible every day and many times, until you can retain some of the overall plan of God. That just takes time and study. You really don't need the forums for that...

Just you, the Bible a quite place, and the Holy Spirit; Prayer and a desire to learn thus saith the Lord. that should be plenty helpful.

Drett · Sep 1, 2013

savedandhopeful said:

The poor and simple were the people who are attracted to the word of God. They would not be attracted to something they did not understand. Jesus used parables to help get the message across. I think it has been made over complicated now.

Sanashankar · Sep 1, 2013

savedandhopeful said:

There is no easy way to know the scripture. We have to break our head and die, if we are looking for the spiritual food. KJV is not the scripture, it is one of the versions of the scripture. How much ever u read, or which ever versions u read, the truth will be revealed only if u have the holy spirit. Pray to God for more understanding and choose one version which is easy for u.
Im an indian , my mother tongue is not english, my english is not good. But KJV is easy for me because i have an interlinear Scriptural Analyzer downloaded in my system. It has greek version along with Strongs dictionary. any doubt u can click on the word and u get the meaning from Strongs dictionary

Download it Download - Interlinear Scripture Analyzer

along with King James version u can also download lConcordant Literal Version, Young's Literal Translation 1898 and(Dutch) Staten Vertaling

Cocordant Literal version is the best, because it gives the exact meaning of the Greek word.

storm09 · Sep 1, 2013

Back in the days I felt the same, I felt too stupid to read the bible until

An elder said; before you read the bible ask the Holy Spirit tah help you understand, then open whatever chapter trusting that ze Spirit is helping you at hand, then read. Visualize the biblical stories in your head, let your imagination and creativity run free (free as the bible says and not how you want it to be). Pretty sure bible reading for you will get better if you try this.

You dont need to take theology or be a rabbi or something to understand the bible. You just need guidance provided by the Holy Spirit thats why it was sent; as a helper durr lol. You must realize that most of God's men in the bible werent highly educated, some were fishermen, carpenters and criminals. The wisdom that of which they obtained was sent by God, so why dont you ask for wisdom and understanding. It'll be easier.

Let the Holy Spirit do it's job darlingg, let it help and guide you

Pray hard my friend

Starcrash · Sep 1, 2013

jkalyna said:

The story of Adam and Eve makes it abundantly clear that Eve "was missing something that she needed to know", something gained from eating from a tree called "The Knowledge of Good and Evil". You claim that "the word" is the sword to attack, but seem to forget that Adam and Eve didn't have access to "the word". Perhaps if God had given them a bible instead of an evil tree, then they would have chosen the alternative that avoided the downfall of man.

You ought to cite your factual claims. If you were to look it up in the bible, for instance, you would know that we sometimes are ignorant of "the devices of evil". It's obvious to everyone, especially savedandhopeful, that knowing the bible isn't something that happens instinctively.

Savedandhopeful, Many of us have read the bible cover to cover several times, and that certainly clears up the ignorance. If you think the bible is too dry or dull to read all the way through, I agree with you entirely, but until you do you'll probably never have a sense of what's in it and what's not, and where to find certain passages.

Deadtosin · Sep 1, 2013

trust in the Holy Spirit to help you. When you read thine and thou's just put in, you, yours, me and mine lol wherever it fits. Don't get hung up on something, as you read on it will help guide you back to the context you didnt' understand. Then at some point, I believe it will just "click" for you. God bless and God speed.

respekt · Sep 1, 2013

The spirit indeed is willing but the flesh is weak

Fight your laziness! Pray before you read His love letter (BIBLE)! The more you read it the more understanding you get.

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