Attack of the seventh day adventists

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Bryancampbell

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So tell me Loadicea,

According to your law, How would a person spend his sabbath day for God? Explain...
Someone explain how do you spend your sabbath devoted to God?
 
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Laodicea

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So tell me Loadicea,

According to your law, How would a person spend his sabbath day for God? Explain...
It is according to God's law not my law. If it were according to my law I would be teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
 

KohenMatt

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Just keep in mind that Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic laws the moment he died. We are free to eat pork or not too and free to worship on any day we wish.
If Jesus "fulfilled the Mosaic Law, why did he tell us in the next 2 verses:
1) "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

2) "
Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."?

 

Hizikyah

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Someone explain how do you spend your sabbath devoted to God?
If im alone I spend the entire day studying and praying, keeping focused has allowed me to have Sabbaths where a stry thought dosent even creep in, I learn and grown and fellowship with Yahweh immenseley especially on the "alone" (Hes there but no people) days.

If I have people around me we study, share witness, pray, fellowship, and basically build and strengthen the body of Messiah all day. (we study on other days also, but other days, we cook and go to store, work, its not 100% Yahweh EVERY DAY)

I will also help someone in need on the Sabbath, IF it is beneficial to the will of Yahweh, I would never help someone install their new 15" subs on the Sabbath or anything like that.

Basically I try to take a honest and literal approach of WWYD (what would Yahshua do), and if its not building the body of Messiah its not for the Sabbath.

If you have any other questions I would be glad to answer if I can and Yahweh is willing!
 
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Bryancampbell

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It is according to God's law not my law. If it were according to my law I would be teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
The commandment is of God's law, but you make interpretations, so tell me how do you spend the sabbath in devotion?
 
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If im alone I spend the entire day studying and praying, keeping focused has allowed me to have Sabbaths where a stry thought dosent even creep in, I learn and grown and fellowship with Yahweh immenseley especially on the "alone" (Hes there but no people) days.

If I have people around me we study, share witness, pray, fellowship, and basically build and strengthen the body of Messiah all day. (we study on other days also, but other days, we cook and go to store, work, its not 100% Yahweh EVERY DAY)

I will also help someone in need on the Sabbath, IF it is beneficial to the will of Yahweh, I would never help someone install their new 15" subs on the Sabbath or anything like that.

Basically I try to take a honest and literal approach of WWYD (what would Yahshua do), and if its not building the body of Messiah its not for the Sabbath.

If you have any other questions I would be glad to answer if I can and Yahweh is willing!
Isn't there a rule about a sabbath though that you are missing in the Law you haven't mentioned it.
 

Hizikyah

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Also it is THE ONLY thing in the Scriptures called "the mark of Yahweh"

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 31:13-17, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israyl forever, for in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed."

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
 

JaumeJ

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The only way to "break the Sabbath" as you say would be to deliberately disregard the work Yahweh has done for us all. We have nothing without Him, and He is the Son and the Holy Spirit.

All He asks of us is to keep the Seventh Day separate (holy) for on the seventh day Yahweh rested from His work. It is a gift to each of us to rest from our mundane toil, labor that is, and have a day just to honor with Him.

After all the only sacrifice we are able to give Him is the sacrifice of thanksgiving. Worship Yahweh, hear Him, and do as He prefers us to do to be acting in acceptable conduct in His sight. The commandments should not be a burden for anyone who lives in the grace of Yeshua.


Tell me for those sabbath keepers, how must I not break the sabbath? Explain to..
 

KohenMatt

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you just don't understand...i'm not gonna explain anything but will ask you a few questions, are you righteous? how do you know your righteous? is it because you follow the 10 commandments?
Really? We need to address this again?

Romans 3:10-24 "As it is written:“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
13 “Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law,so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law;rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."
 

Hizikyah

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Isn't there a rule about a sabbath though that you are missing in the Law you haven't mentioned it.
Exodus 20:8-11, "Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, But the bSeventh Day is the Sabbath of Yahweh your Heavenly Father. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your wife, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor the stranger who dwells within your gates. For in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them; and rested the Seventh
Day. Therefore, Yahweh blessed the Sabbath Day, and dhallowed it"
 
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Mattithyah 19:17-21, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh. He then asked Yahshua; Which ones? Yahshua said: You shall not bmurder. You shall not ccommit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false testimony. Honor your father and mother, and; You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The young man said to Him; All these things I have kept from my youth up; what do I yet lack? Yahshua said to him: If you want to come to the perfection of Yahweh, go and gsell of what you have, and give for the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and you will be walking in Yahweh's ways, and following Me."
Exactly. If you want to be perfect, follow Christ. Christ is not the 10 commandments; he is a living being. Follow him and you will know righteousness and life. The law cannot perfect anyone.

Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give the proceeds to the poor—and you will have treasure in heaven—and come, follow me.” Matthew 19:21
 

KohenMatt

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the scriptures are like a puzzle piece we sometimes gotta put them together to see what they are saying
If the Scriptures are like a puzzle, you need to start with what Jesus said. THEN you can on to Paul's commentary. So far you're quoting about 90% Paul, and 10% Jesus. (just an estimate, I didn't do a thorough study on the numbers:D)
 

JaumeJ

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It is evident the veil of Moses has blinded so many as to not be able to see Yeshua in all of his writings. This is truly very sad indeed.
 
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Laodicea

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The commandment is of God's law, but you make interpretations, so tell me how do you spend the sabbath in devotion?
Read the different versions on what the Bible says about the sabbath of the Lord.

*[[Leviticus 23:3]]

*BBE* On six days work may be done; but the seventh day is a special day of rest, a time for worship; you may do no sort of work: it is a Sabbath to the Lord wherever you may be living.

*ISV* Six days you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a sacred assembly. You are not to do any work. It’s a Sabbath to the LORD wherever you live.

*KJV* Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

*NET* “‘Six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there must be a Sabbath of complete rest, a holy assembly. You must not do any work; it is a Sabbath to the LORD in all the places where you live.

*NHEB* “‘Six days shall work be done: but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation; you shall do no manner of work. It is a Sabbath to the LORD in all your dwellings.

*WEB* “‘Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation; you shall do no kind of work. It is a Sabbath to Yahweh in all your dwellings.
 

Hizikyah

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Exactly. If you want to be perfect, follow Christ. Christ is not the 10 commandments; he is a living being. Follow him and you will know righteousness and life. The law cannot perfect anyone.
Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give the proceeds to the poor—and you will have treasure in heaven—and come, follow me.” Matthew 19:21
You are ignoring the first part, yahshua asked have you done this first thing? The guy said yes. Then He said ok, now do this second thing. If I just do one without the other its of no effect. either way, only commendments or only giving to poor, we need both according to Yahshua, the guys said how may I enter the kingdom, Yahshua's first answer was THE COMMANDMENTS.
 
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The only way to "break the Sabbath" as you say would be to deliberately disregard the work Yahweh has done for us all. We have nothing without Him, and He is the Son and the Holy Spirit.

All He asks of us is to keep the Seventh Day separate (holy) for on the seventh day Yahweh rested from His work. It is a gift to each of us to rest from our mundane toil, labor that is, and have a day just to honor with Him.

After all the only sacrifice we are able to give Him is the sacrifice of thanksgiving. Worship Yahweh, hear Him, and do as He prefers us to do to be acting in acceptable conduct in His sight. The commandments should not be a burden for anyone who lives in the grace of Yeshua.
So you are aware that in the ten commandments that it says we must rest from physicial labour right?

So let's say you went to work all week and on the sabbath you are at home wanting to honor the sabbath, but you just got a phone call from your co-worker from work, and it was said he just got into an accident and his daughter is somewhat injured and said he will come in late. And this is the only position that you and the other person are responsible of. Isn't it also lawful to do good and take his shift? Or will you deny it because your laboring on a time you believe must be kept to obey Yahweh?

How about murder?

A man joins the army to serve his country in a war, and he is aware he will kill in his service of infantry.

Another man joins the army in a war because he likes to kill, it's an enjoyment to him, and he is aware he will kill in his service of infantry.

Who is committing sin?
 

Hizikyah

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I habe already posted this eariler, it seems you want to find fault with the Commands of the Most High, the Creator of all that is. Do me a favor, in sincerity, please read Romans 8:7-8, and Matt 5:18-19.

Mattithyah 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the
Sabbath."
 

Hizikyah

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How about murder?

A man joins the army to serve his country in a war, and he is aware he will kill in his service of infantry.

Another man joins the army in a war because he likes to kill, it's an enjoyment to him, and he is aware he will kill in his service of infantry.

Who is committing sin?
Murder is murder, it dosent matter if you kill for yourself or for Ceasar, its a sin.
 

JaumeJ

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You are being delibertely evasive about understanding anything it seems

The Sabbath is made for man, a gift, not man for the Sabbath. Yeshua taught this when His men were gleaning heads of wheat and eating because they were hungry.

If it is something good that must be done, Yeshua, by His own example teaches it is just fine to do it on the Sabbath. If you did not know this, I apologize for thinking you being evasive and up to no good, but at this point your tempting of the faithful is verging on being simply an offense.


So you are aware that in the ten commandments that it says we must rest from physicial labour right?

So let's say you went to work all week and on the sabbath you are at home wanting to honor the sabbath, but you just got a phone call from your co-worker from work, and it was said he just got into an accident and his daughter is somewhat injured and said he will come in late. And this is the only position that you and the other person are responsible of. Isn't it also lawful to do good and take his shift? Or will you deny it because your laboring on a time you believe must be kept to obey Yahweh?

How about murder?

A man joins the army to serve his country in a war, and he is aware he will kill in his service of infantry.

Another man joins the army in a war because he likes to kill, it's an enjoyment to him, and he is aware he will kill in his service of infantry.

Who is committing sin?