Attack of the seventh day adventists

KohenMatt · Sep 13, 2013

Josh, this happens in EVERY church, regardless of denomination. This isn't a Sabbath only thing. In just about every church in the world, there are people who put on a SUNDAY mask and live a filthy life the rest of the days. If your church or fellowship as more than a few people in it, there are people in your church who are probably doing the same thing. This is the nature of Man. That is why Paul talked so much in Romans 7 about the battle between flesh and Spirit.

And all of us Sabbath Keepers worship God and serve Him every day of the week. So you're completely wrong when you say

Josh321 said:

Bryancampbell · Sep 13, 2013

Exactly Josh, if you keep one command, you must keep all. And the Law has consequences if not obeyed.

john832 · Sep 13, 2013

Josh321 said:

What does it mean? Are you free from keeping the Commandments? Are you free to determine for yourself, if it is necessary?

KohenMatt · Sep 13, 2013

Josh321 said:

Josh, with all due respect, this is just a foolish and ridiculous remark. You're better than that.

john832 · Sep 13, 2013

Bryancampbell said:

Your are actually misquoting that scripture, it does not say it is optional, it says if you BREAK one you are guilty of all...

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Josh321 · Sep 13, 2013

none of you are also yet to anwser my question 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: what about the children? there is no age limit on this should 12 years old quit school and start LABOURING DOING HARD PHYSICAL work? or what about if someone is crippled and can't walk and in a wheel chair should this person have to do PHYSICAL HARD LABOUR WORK AS WELL? or did you all forget this is in the commandment? oh yea i forgot once you keep the sabbath everything else doesn't matter right? what about when we become older and reach an age where our bones are old and we can't do much should this person still labour 6 days a week, what about me i applied for a job at 6 places and didn't get the job, open your eyes people... stop blinding yourselves

john832 · Sep 13, 2013

Josh321 said:

now that you mention this bryan i remember seeing in an article in indian they had this princess or something and the people were not allowed to touch her and she went to the beach and was in the water and a huge wave or something came and she went under the water and screamed for help but no one help her because they weren't allowed to touch her and after a few minutes she drowned and died, now why i said this is if on the sabbath day and lets say one of their child got hit in the head or something and fell in the road and a car is coming up and the only way to help the child is to physically lift the child out of the way, i wonder what they will do or say " i'm sorry i'm not suppose to do physically labour on the sabbath" see where i am going with this?

Would you now please show me where saving a child is the breaking of the Sabbath Law?

Josh321 · Sep 13, 2013

KohenMatt said:

no it's not address the statement your not suppose to do physical labour so what would you do if someone gets injured like that?

Josh321 · Sep 13, 2013

john832 said:

your suppose to rest on that day not do physical labour lifting something or someone up is physical labour

Hizikyah · Sep 13, 2013

Free from sin means you dont live a life where you sin, not you sin but say its not a sin.

the Scriptures give a clear understanding of what sin is:

1 Yahchanan 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

1 Yahchanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him(Yahshua), is himself also obligated to walk exactly as He walked."

john832 · Sep 13, 2013

Josh321 said:

none of you are also yet to anwser my question 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: what about the children? there is no age limit on this should 12 years old quit school and start LABOURING DOING HARD PHYSICAL work? or what about if someone is crippled and can't walk and in a wheel chair should this person have to do PHYSICAL HARD LABOUR WORK AS WELL? or did you all forget this is in the commandment? oh yea i forgot once you keep the sabbath everything else doesn't matter right? what about when we become older and reach an age where our bones are old and we can't do much should this person still labour 6 days a week, what about me i applied for a job at 6 places and didn't get the job, open your eyes people... stop blinding yourselves

Frankly, this is foolishness and this scripture comes to mind...

Pro 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

john832 · Sep 13, 2013

Josh321 said:

Luk 14:5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

There is ignorance and there is wilfull ignorance.

Hizikyah · Sep 13, 2013

Josh321 said:

you dont do anything for your own gain, you are trying to look at it like the pharisees did, if you had read my posts insted of telling me im evil all week, lol, you may had caught it.

Mattithyah 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the
Sabbath."

Josh321 · Sep 13, 2013

The law of christ is perfect and without flaws but yet your finding flaws in this? that should tell you something if you can't fully keep this then what is the problem? because we not suppose to keep it..all that is required for us is to believe in Jesus and love each other, LOVE is to fulfil the law
[h=3]1 John 3:23-24[/h]English Standard Version (ESV)

23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. 24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God,[a] and God[b] in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.

KohenMatt · Sep 13, 2013

Josh321 said:

Matthew 12:11-12 "He said to them, “If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out?12 How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

Please, don't waste anyone's time on foolish arguments like this.

Josh321 · Sep 13, 2013

john832 said:

because you can't anwser this question and you have no anwser for it that's what is going on here, it's not foolishness at all you just have no anwser for it

Hizikyah · Sep 13, 2013

Josh321 said:

We have to consider all the Scriptures right? We cant just pick the one that makes us feel well and run withit?

The same man who wrote that verse you quoteed also wrote this:

1 Yahchanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him(Yahshua), is himself also obligated to walk exactly as He walked."

Also if you believe that is the ONLY Commandment you do not believe the Messiah

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

*thats a renolds*

danschance · Sep 13, 2013

Josh321 said:

Josh, You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it. He has rejected Col. 2:16 and all other advice. His problem runs deep. He thinks he can blend old wine skins with new wine. He might even have a religious demon to support his false beliefs. At some point, just walking away might make more sense.

KohenMatt · Sep 13, 2013

Dan, talk about Jesus' instructions regarding the law in Matthew 5.

Matthew 5:18-19 "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Hizikyah · Sep 13, 2013

danschance said:

You twist the meaning of Colossians 2:16, i have posted multiple times all the verses around it with a breakdown, and I have got no answer on that, just crickets. and clearly you dont understand the wineskins parable, if you did you may put off the old lawless nature, and put on the new spirit of obedience.

BTW, I dont know who that comment was aimed at but a "religous demon"? usually doesnt lead you to doing the traits of a Scriptual Saint:

Revelation 14:12

New International Version
This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

New Living Translation
This means that God's holy people must endure persecution patiently, obeying his commands and maintaining their faith in Jesus.

English Standard Version
Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

New American Standard Bible
Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

King James Bible
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
This demands the perseverance of the saints, who keep God's commands and their faith in Jesus."

International Standard Version
Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, who keep the commandments of God and hold fast to their faithfulness in Jesus:

NET Bible
This requires the steadfast endurance of the saints--those who obey God's commandments and hold to their faith in Jesus.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Here is the patience of The Holy Ones, those who keep the commands of God and the faith of Yeshua.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
In this situation God's holy people, who obey his commands and keep their faith in Jesus, need endurance.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

King James 2000 Bible
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

American King James Version
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

American Standard Version
Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Here is the patience of the saints, who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Darby Bible Translation
Here is the endurance of the saints, who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

English Revised Version
Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Webster's Bible Translation
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Weymouth New Testament
Here is an opportunity for endurance on the part of God's people, who carefully keep His commandments and the faith of Jesus!"

World English Bible
Here is the patience of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."

Young's Literal Translation
Here is endurance of the saints: here are those keeping the commands of God, and the faith of Jesus.'

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