What Laws are still valid to christians
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Just one exception that I read about in the Old Testament.
Exodus 28:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And thou shalt speak unto all that are wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
Exodus 31:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]See, I have called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,
Proverbs 3:19-20 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.
Other than that I would totally agree. Right you are.
John 4:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Exodus 28:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And thou shalt speak unto all that are wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
Exodus 31:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]See, I have called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,
Proverbs 3:19-20 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.
Other than that I would totally agree. Right you are.
John 4:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Boot strapping is a cool term Elin. Never heard that before, but it's neat, really. Where does that term come from, and what does it mean? I was born on a farm and wore boots, but the only time that strapping occurred what with the belt.
Proverbs 23:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
I can’t find a verse for boots or boots. sorry
Proverbs 23:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
I can’t find a verse for boots or boots. sorry
Not true, Jesus didn't break any laws from His Father, otherwise He couldn't have been the Savior of the world.
1.The grain was left in the fields for the poor according to the law. It wasn't against the law to eat on the Sabbath.
2.According to the law there is a law of leprosy in Leviticus 14. This procedure took place in a time sequence including the day of the Sabbath. Jesus said clearly if your ox falls in the ditch on the Sabbath go pull him out. That isn't against the law of God.
1.The grain was left in the fields for the poor according to the law. It wasn't against the law to eat on the Sabbath.
2.According to the law there is a law of leprosy in Leviticus 14. This procedure took place in a time sequence including the day of the Sabbath. Jesus said clearly if your ox falls in the ditch on the Sabbath go pull him out. That isn't against the law of God.
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Surely Acts 15 is saying that the Christians should abstain from food offered to idols, blood, strangled things, and fornication, which if they do, they will do well. It specifically mentions circumcision and the law, and that the apostles gave no such commandment to keep these. If the apostles and elders really simply meant that circumcision and the law (Moses' laws) were unnecessary for salvation, couldn't they have said something like "Now it is good for a man to be circumcised, and to keep the laws of Moses, but these are not necessary for your salvation", or similar. Instead, they totally disavow these "We gave no such commandment".
Acts 15: 22 - 29
22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia. 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
@Danschance - If you must be explicit, it might be better to describe physical circumcision as circumcision of the foreskin (Gen 17), rather than of the entire male member. I know the Pharisees are/were bad guys, but they weren't trying to trick their enemies into castration. Or at least, not that's recorded in the bible!
Acts 15: 22 - 29
22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia. 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
@Danschance - If you must be explicit, it might be better to describe physical circumcision as circumcision of the foreskin (Gen 17), rather than of the entire male member. I know the Pharisees are/were bad guys, but they weren't trying to trick their enemies into castration. Or at least, not that's recorded in the bible!
I beg to differ. There is one Spirit, the same Spirit that equips the person for a special purpose.
1 Corinthians 12:4-9 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
Filling is action. like, to fill. Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit obviously. In other words had the indwelling Spirit. We can agree on that, even though we are getting off the subject of the thread, and I apologize for that. So to end this segment, and get back to the law thing, I endorse the teachings of Jesus, before His death to be of the Old Testament.
Hebrews 9:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Technicalities
1 Corinthians 12:4-9 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
Filling is action. like, to fill. Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit obviously. In other words had the indwelling Spirit. We can agree on that, even though we are getting off the subject of the thread, and I apologize for that. So to end this segment, and get back to the law thing, I endorse the teachings of Jesus, before His death to be of the Old Testament.
Hebrews 9:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Technicalities
I don't know if this is the way Elin meant it, but boot-strapping means to pull one's self up by his boot straps. In other words, complete self-reliance. That's where the phrase 'booting a computer' comes from. A computer has the on-board capability to start itself up without an operating system, and pulls itself up by its boot-straps.
Juxtaposted, enlighten me on that one.
If ya don't want the law, you just don't have the law. It's a choice thing
1 Timothy 1:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
Just to get people to quit saying that those that believe that the Mosaic law is valid are under the law and that the only validity to the law is for those that are lawless, and if you're lawless, you're not saved, but after you're saved the law goes away somehow, and if you think it doesn't go away you are under the law again, and round and round you go, just like I went round and round trying to show the other side of the coin, so-to-speak. Wow, even that sounds confusing to me.
I probably sinned in propagating confusion. In fact, I did, so I confess that I may be healed, spoken by the Brother of Jesus' instruction: James.
If ya don't want the law, you just don't have the law. It's a choice thing
1 Timothy 1:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
Just to get people to quit saying that those that believe that the Mosaic law is valid are under the law and that the only validity to the law is for those that are lawless, and if you're lawless, you're not saved, but after you're saved the law goes away somehow, and if you think it doesn't go away you are under the law again, and round and round you go, just like I went round and round trying to show the other side of the coin, so-to-speak. Wow, even that sounds confusing to me.
I probably sinned in propagating confusion. In fact, I did, so I confess that I may be healed, spoken by the Brother of Jesus' instruction: James.