What Laws are still valid to christians
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lol. There is a problem with your interpretation.
1. All have sinned (commited iniquity) so this would be every one who ever lived
2. These people claimed to have obeyed, And done all these works in Jesus name.
so my question to you is. If God says HE NEVER KNEW THEM. How could they---
1. Ever have been saved
2. Ever have known God
3. Ever have claimed to have true faith (since they evidently did some works of obeying God, God did not deny they did these works)
1. All have sinned (commited iniquity) so this would be every one who ever lived
2. These people claimed to have obeyed, And done all these works in Jesus name.
so my question to you is. If God says HE NEVER KNEW THEM. How could they---
1. Ever have been saved
2. Ever have known God
3. Ever have claimed to have true faith (since they evidently did some works of obeying God, God did not deny they did these works)
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I believe he spoke of everything moses wrote.
1. The law proves that they were guilty (moral law) the pharisees did not get this, they thought they were holy enough and did not need a redeemer)
2. The law shows the penalty of sin, and how the penalty could be removed (sacrificial law)
3. The law showed how God was going to redeem his people in many examples and symbols (ceremonial law)
the law is one distinct unit in 3 different parts. Yet they ALL speak of Christ. If the pharisees usnderstood this, They would have received Christ with open arms.
1. The law proves that they were guilty (moral law) the pharisees did not get this, they thought they were holy enough and did not need a redeemer)
2. The law shows the penalty of sin, and how the penalty could be removed (sacrificial law)
3. The law showed how God was going to redeem his people in many examples and symbols (ceremonial law)
the law is one distinct unit in 3 different parts. Yet they ALL speak of Christ. If the pharisees usnderstood this, They would have received Christ with open arms.
Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
These people claim to " Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works" now many go "AHH HAH I GOT YOU WORKSWORKSWORKSWORKS you loseloseloselose!!!!! hahahahahahahah!!!!, but you see iniquity is not sin, iniquity is not being subject to Yahweh's Law. How many people in the world do "great works in the name of the Messiah" but they do not do anything according to what Yahweh actually commands? No instead they develop their own standard and ignore Yahweh's standard.
So who is obedienit to Yahshua's Commands and who is not? the one who subjects himself to Yahweh's Law or the one who rejects and will not subject themself to Yahweh's Law?
iniquity is:
#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From G0459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness:—iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.
Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament) #458.
α᾿νομι´α anomia; from 459; lawlessness:— lawless deed, lawless deeds, lawlessness
FROM:
#0459 ἄνομος anomos {an'-om-os} from G0001 (as a negative particle) and G3551; TDNT - 4:1086,646; adj
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) destitute of (the Mosaic) law
1a) of the Gentiles
2) departing from the law, a violator of the law, lawless, wicked
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From G0001 (as a negative particle) and G3551; lawless, that is, (negatively) not subject to (the Jewish) law; (by implication a Gentile), or (positively) wicked:— without law, lawless, transgressor, unlawful, wicked.
Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament) #459.
α῎νομος anomos; from 1 (as a neg. pref.) and 3551; lawless, without law:— godless men, lawless, lawless one, transgressors, without the law, without law, without law.
These people claim to " Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works" now many go "AHH HAH I GOT YOU WORKSWORKSWORKSWORKS you loseloseloselose!!!!! hahahahahahahah!!!!, but you see iniquity is not sin, iniquity is not being subject to Yahweh's Law. How many people in the world do "great works in the name of the Messiah" but they do not do anything according to what Yahweh actually commands? No instead they develop their own standard and ignore Yahweh's standard.
So who is obedienit to Yahshua's Commands and who is not? the one who subjects himself to Yahweh's Law or the one who rejects and will not subject themself to Yahweh's Law?
iniquity is:
#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From G0459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness:—iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.
Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament) #458.
α᾿νομι´α anomia; from 459; lawlessness:— lawless deed, lawless deeds, lawlessness
FROM:
#0459 ἄνομος anomos {an'-om-os} from G0001 (as a negative particle) and G3551; TDNT - 4:1086,646; adj
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) destitute of (the Mosaic) law
1a) of the Gentiles
2) departing from the law, a violator of the law, lawless, wicked
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From G0001 (as a negative particle) and G3551; lawless, that is, (negatively) not subject to (the Jewish) law; (by implication a Gentile), or (positively) wicked:— without law, lawless, transgressor, unlawful, wicked.
Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament) #459.
α῎νομος anomos; from 1 (as a neg. pref.) and 3551; lawless, without law:— godless men, lawless, lawless one, transgressors, without the law, without law, without law.
they certianly did, they made up every loophole they could.
The "rabbis"/pharisees interpret Scripture by something called Midrashic interpretation, which ignores language and ignores context. They say Scripture is a divne code and only the rabbis have the knowledge to decipher that divine code. Here is an ACTUAL example of Midrashic interpretation used by the rabbis:
They take Exodus 23:2, "Do not follow the crowd in doing evil. When you give testimony in a lawsuit, do not pervert justice by siding with the crowd."
After Midrashic interpretation is applied, they come out with : "follow the crowd."
Thus even when one disagrees or knows something is wrong he must, "follow the crowd," or as the Talmud puts it in Baba Metzia 59b (top of post), "after the majority must one incline."
Deuteronomy 30:11-13, "For this Law which I command you this day is not hidden from you, nor is it beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask; Who will ascend up into heaven for us, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it? Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask; Who will cross the sea, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it?"
After Midrashic interpretation is applied, they come out with : "‘It is not in heaven.’4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice" (Baba Metzia 59b)
The "rabbis"/pharisees interpret Scripture by something called Midrashic interpretation, which ignores language and ignores context. They say Scripture is a divne code and only the rabbis have the knowledge to decipher that divine code. Here is an ACTUAL example of Midrashic interpretation used by the rabbis:
They take Exodus 23:2, "Do not follow the crowd in doing evil. When you give testimony in a lawsuit, do not pervert justice by siding with the crowd."
After Midrashic interpretation is applied, they come out with : "follow the crowd."
Thus even when one disagrees or knows something is wrong he must, "follow the crowd," or as the Talmud puts it in Baba Metzia 59b (top of post), "after the majority must one incline."
Deuteronomy 30:11-13, "For this Law which I command you this day is not hidden from you, nor is it beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask; Who will ascend up into heaven for us, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it? Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask; Who will cross the sea, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it?"
After Midrashic interpretation is applied, they come out with : "‘It is not in heaven.’4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice" (Baba Metzia 59b)
i mean above all things THE BIBLE SAID that if your trying to be justified by the law YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE and you see it, but guess what some people despite seeing that.. so accustom to what they normal do.. say idc what it says i'm going to continue to do what i'm doing that is going to get you no where, did you know the greatest ever fought is for someone to overcome themselves? i think alot of people need to overcome themselves.. what does this mean? example if someone has an.. lets say a spirit of bondage of themselves they must fight against the will power of that spirit trying to take control and fight against themselve and say no, i'm not gonna stand for this, i think alot of people need to do this.. overcome yourselves before it is too late the fact that people can tell me on this forum that we need to keep the sabbath to be saved... i mean please examine yourself not for my sake but yours i'm not trying to be harsh against anyone just want the best for you and looking out for you all and i love you enough to point this out to you, God bless
Thank you for taking the time to explain to me privately.
I must now agree with you.
The Law of Sin states that according to our fallen nature, we naturally sin.
The Law of my Mind states that if we were to die to the flesh, our soul would desire to obey God.
The Law of my Members states that I desire to please my flesh.
The Law of Sin and Death states, "The day that you eat from it, you surely will die".
I hope I finally understand
I must now agree with you.
The Law of Sin states that according to our fallen nature, we naturally sin.
The Law of my Mind states that if we were to die to the flesh, our soul would desire to obey God.
The Law of my Members states that I desire to please my flesh.
The Law of Sin and Death states, "The day that you eat from it, you surely will die".
I hope I finally understand
perhaps you will be able to see that it's a little more than just a static statement,
it's an active working, an operation.
My sinful nature compels me to sin until I am born again.
If it did not, I could have been sinless without a Savior.
My mind desires to obey God after I'm born again.
My sinful nature wars with my mind (spirit) after I'm born again.
The actions of sinning cause death.
The "law of. . ." is more than just a static statement, it is an active working; i.e., a power.
Hope I haven't muddied clear waters.
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Yes, truth, and as my brother said before he died, he said to my Sister, that all his life he had tried so hard to serve God and do all that was right, to please all around including God, was kind of a legalist. He said to her after that confession, in all that he had tried to do and be, that he now sees that GOD JUST LOVES HIM. He was 33 when he was found passed away two miles above the Sanctuary on Campus Crusade for Christ, leaned against a boulder with a bible in his hand. Found by hikers on a Sunday. They did Autopsies on his death for a cause at least 3, and found no physical cause of death, the only thing they found was that he died on Thursday. This was in 1978, that this took place. I was 21 at the time. When I heard the report as in no physical cause of death found, I was then convinced, beyond any shadow of a doubt that Christ and Father are real. I re committed my life to God then and there, only to see what a drunk and druggie I was at that time, but God changed me over the years, and never once by fear or force as this world does.
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You totally missed the point.
Again i ask.
These people did many works in the name of Jesus, These are not the lawbreakers people like you want to run around claiming people are. These were people who loved the law of God and did the works of the law.
Yet Jesus said, Depart. for I never knew you. Why would he say this? Just because they sinned? We all have commited iniquity. thus as far as sin goes. We ALL deserve eternal damnation.
Again i ask.
These people did many works in the name of Jesus, These are not the lawbreakers people like you want to run around claiming people are. These were people who loved the law of God and did the works of the law.
Yet Jesus said, Depart. for I never knew you. Why would he say this? Just because they sinned? We all have commited iniquity. thus as far as sin goes. We ALL deserve eternal damnation.
My brother I do not believe any man is saved by works of law.
this is truth, if man relied on his own works they would never be enough.
Also I want to add I have stated this over 10 times here, but the default position seems to be to yeel fallen from grace about those who actually want to follow Yahweh's instruction.
now I ask you to acess post 1268, and give me you commentary on Rev 22:12-15 and Matt 5:19, something I have asked you many times....
thank you my brother, HalleluYAHWEH for allowing us to share and grow!
also this is "light" and "gentle" info about the Talmud, I wont get into the real real nasty parts ( i can suppy where to find) but if your interested in learning more about the leaven of the pharisses, and it haelps a TON in understanding Yahshua's interaction with them, and unless this info is know nobody can fully understand these interactions, i can send you a few links etc.
also this is "light" and "gentle" info about the Talmud, I wont get into the real real nasty parts ( i can suppy where to find) but if your interested in learning more about the leaven of the pharisses, and it haelps a TON in understanding Yahshua's interaction with them, and unless this info is know nobody can fully understand these interactions, i can send you a few links etc.
Yet because of flesh, it can try to make void the Law as to not be guilty and still harm others as in I am forgiven, so why not drink up all the wine, eat all the food wit no regard to others that might not have food in their homes. And have many more problems that Paul addressed to the Corinthians. Many are still Carnal and do make voids the Law, so they have an excuse to use the grace to harm others without the care that God gives in and through God's Spirit.
I think it does matter for us to be edified, otherwise the story would never have been preserved for us to read. Every time the Pharisees didn't like the way the truth had been presented in its original form, they changed and skewed it to conform to what they were able to do. They didn't get the Spiritual meaning of the truth, so they changed it to conform to their self righteousness. They certainly didn't have a problem with what they had changed. It wasn't up for negotiation. Their word became their law.