What Laws are still valid to christians

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Hizikyah

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look my brother look at this testimony very carefully.. at what fulfillment means, look at the commandments and look at him after got saved him
Testimonies are great, but I cant verify what Spirit leads this man, I can verify and test the spirits and see if they match the Scriptures...

Show me 1 single verse where Yahshua says we should not keep the Law of Yahweh
 

homwardbound

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but are not the O/T His as well?...after all, Jesus is God right?
the Old Testament is the Giant and the New is the Midget.
stand them side by side and the Giant sees further than the Midget
Put the midget on the Giants shoulders and the midget on top of the Giant sees now, all the way to home to heaven with God and Son in the Spirit of God
 

Hizikyah

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the Old Testament is the Giant and the New is the Midget.
stand them side by side and the Giant sees further than the Midget
Put the midget on the Giants shoulders and the midget on top of the Giant sees now, all the way to home to heaven with God and Son in the Spirit of God
wow great parable!
 

homwardbound

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Well, "works laid bare" could be before God's judgment seat when all man's works will be laid bare, as in tried by fire.
And those of the Spirit of God will never burn up, while those of flesh will
 

Josh321

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This does not mean we dont take Yahweh's Instructions to ourselves.

Romans 2:15, "Since they show that the requirements of the Law are written in their hearts, their conscience also bears witness, and their thoughts now accuse or else try to defend them."

1 Timothy 4:1-2, "Now the Spirit speaks very plainly, that in the latter times osome will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of pdemons Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared as with a hot iron."

Do demons say dont steal and if you do you should feel bad about it?

Or do demons say:

Genesis 3:3-4, "But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, Yahweh has said: You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, or you will die. And the serpent said to the woman; You will not surely die." v11, "And Yahweh said: Someone deceived you so that you would sin! You have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, that you should not eat!"

(HSVC) Hizikyah's Street Version Commentary v3-4 "and the serpent said: disobey Yahweh and you will still have eternal life!"
i have no idea how to explain this to you.. no one will understand either, it's just i don't know how to put it to you but, God said he will put his law in our hearts and mind that is the that is what it means to walk by the spirit, when the law is put into our hearts and mind we automatically walk by it, but this walk isn't like keeping it in the physical, that is why it is written that to love is to fulfill the law, what that means is since it is already fulfilled in us we only have to love, look to be born again means, you died from the world and your a new creature if you have been born again you died to the world and that is the fulfillment right there, if you die to the world... because [h=3]Romans 2:14[/h]King James Version (KJV)

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

see that, so when we die to the world the law is fulfilled in us because by nature we do the things contained in the law but if we die to the world it is fulfilled in us
 

Josh321

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Testimonies are great, but I cant verify what Spirit leads this man, I can verify and test the spirits and see if they match the Scriptures...
you can see exactly what leads him it's the holy spirit that is what it means to be born again, if someone DIES TO THE WORLD you know THAT CHRIST ABIDES IN THEM, did you think he just miraculously change himself like that? impossible do you think i just miraculously change myself like this? no it's GOD FULFILLING THE LAW IN US THAT BRINGS FORTH THE CHANGE
 

Hizikyah

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you can see exactly what leads him it's the holy spirit that is what it means to be born again, if someone DIES TO THE WORLD you know THAT CHRIST ABIDES IN THEM, did you think he just miraculously change himself like that? impossible do you think i just miraculously change myself like this? no it's GOD FULFILLING THE LAW IN US THAT BRINGS FORTH THE CHANGE
HalleluYAHWEH for changing that guy!

Brother Josh, we have shred this with eachother, you know whaere I stand on this, Yahweh changes our hearts and minds no problem.

Once I was changed I no longer had a problem with obedience to Yahweh;s Law, I started to enjoy it because i know it for my well being and others around me well being. If one is truly changed why would they have a proble with obedience to Instructions that are perfect and do no harm, but are the exact charicter of Yahweh and Yahshua written on paper? And fully explined by Yahshua?
 

Josh321

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HalleluYAHWEH for changing that guy!

Brother Josh, we have shred this with eachother, you know whaere I stand on this, Yahweh changes our hearts and minds no problem.

Once I was changed I no longer had a problem with obedience to Yahweh;s Law, I started to enjoy it because i know it for my well being and others around me well being. If one is truly changed why would they have a proble with obedience to Instructions that are perfect and do no harm, but are the exact charicter of Yahweh and Yahshua written on paper? And fully explined by Yahshua?
but if you have died to the world why are you still trying to be justified by the law, if it's already fulfilled in you? 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
[h=3]Galatians 5[/h]King James Version (KJV)

it's like a dog who is a dog but is pretending to be a dog, it makes no sense
 

Josh321

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your not even listening to what i'm saying or trying to show you, your just shooting wild bullets and missing the point, what i tried to show you in that testamony is how the person was he was a crack dealer who wouldn't mind killing someone if he had too without any remorce look at what i was trying to show you 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.


look at all of the commandments and look at the man before he was saved, did he not do the things contained in the commandments by nature? he had a gun he was probably willing to use it, he probably stole already and live an covetous lifestyle with all the money he had, but look what happen to him after he got change, what made him change like that?

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

now look at this and look at the man after he was saved what do you see, i hope this gives you an idea at least of what i am trying to show you


 

Hizikyah

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but if you have died to the world why are you still trying to be justified by the law, if it's already fulfilled in you? 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Galatians 5

King James Version (KJV)

it's like a dog who is a dog but is pretending to be a dog, it makes no sense
its like someone twisting my words after I have said multiple times none are justified by works.

yet you continue to falsely represent.

the beast of babylon has a mark for you, and Yahweh has a mark for you, its your choice...

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

What Yahweh calls His mark, which is the oppisite of the mark of the beast, most of the religious world calls a burden, a curse, and done away.
 

Hizikyah

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your not even listening to what i'm saying or trying to show you, your just shooting wild bullets and missing the point, what i tried to show you in that testamony is how the person was he was a crack dealer who wouldn't mind killing someone if he had too without any remorce look at what i was trying to show you 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.


look at all of the commandments and look at the man before he was saved, did he not do the things contained in the commandments by nature? he had a gun he was probably willing to use it, he probably stole already and live an covetous lifestyle with all the money he had, but look what happen to him after he got change, what made him change like that?

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

now look at this and look at the man after he was saved what do you see, i hope this gives you an idea at least of what i am trying to show you


and you missing my point, I can further strengthen myself in Yahweh;s Spirit by reading His words and binding them to myself. If left to spirituakl discernment ALL are at risk of mistakes, so I combine the word with Spiritual guidance, when they line up I know im following Yahweh.

Yahchanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that agives life; the flesh is useless. The Instructions that I speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."
 

homwardbound

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Yes.

Thus it is not now, or ever done by following the law!
yet the Law leads one to the truth in need of the Savior right? And then by Faith and through Faith in Christ, not of self, does not one then do the Law of God, which is Love God's way?

It seems to me, that there is horses being led to water and then trying to make those horses drink the water. hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do we not all need to study and ask God, and trust God to reveal truth to us?
for there is a lot of insight coming out from all here debating, sharing what they see, so hopefully we are just planting and watering, refraining from accusations towards each other, Thanks
 

Josh321

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its like someone twisting my words after I have said multiple times none are justified by works.

yet you continue to falsely represent.

the beast of babylon has a mark for you, and Yahweh has a mark for you, its your choice...

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

What Yahweh calls His mark, which is the oppisite of the mark of the beast, most of the religious world calls a burden, a curse, and done away.
are you not trying to be self righteous by putting it in your own hands, instead of letting God fulfill it in you? i love you my brother but i've tried and you just can't get to what i'm trying to say may God bless you and hopefully reveal to you what i was trying to say before the door closes
 

Hizikyah

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are you not trying to be self righteous by putting it in your own hands, instead of letting God fulfill it in you? i love you my brother but i've tried and you just can't get to what i'm trying to say may God bless you and hopefully reveal to you what i was trying to say before the door closes
Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

we were left a book for a reason.
 

Josh321

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But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
James 4:6
 

homwardbound

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If you would quote the whole post you would see that I said it never JUSTIFIED ANYONE...not even one.

But, it certainly made some righteous....who did Jesus go and get in Hades? David? Moses? Job? etc? If they were not righteous (right standing before God), then all those under the Law perished....


Thank you...
even those without Law perished as well, still death occurred without the Law, the Law from Moses was not put in place until after 430 years after God made the promise to Abraham. The covenant that is still in place and has never been forsaken by God o this very day. And Christ is made the high Priest in the order of Melchizadek, not of the Levite tribe.
We have Christ as our high Priest forever
 

Hizikyah

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Micahyah 6:8, "He has shown you, O man, what is righteous! And what does Yahweh require of you but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your Father?"

Deuteronomy 8:2, "You must remember that Yahweh your Father led you all the way these forty years in the wilderness, in order to humble you, test and prove you, and know what was in your heart to see whether you would keep His Laws, or not"

Proverbs 3:5-6, "Trust in Yahweh with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Yahweh, and He will direct your paths."

Deuteronomy 8:3, "So He humbled you, and allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna, which you did not know of nor did your fathers know of it; so He might make you know that man does not live by bread only, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of Yahweh, cdoes man live."
 

homwardbound

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Did Jesus indeed go to hades to rescue king David ? I was of the view David is in his grave and will remain so until god raises him? Am I mistaken on this?
That is another thread discussion, where some think we are in the grave until the coming of Christ, the second coming and others think when we physically die we are immediately with God and Christ in the Spirit, not flesh.
to me it matters not since God promised never to leave me or forsake me, I trust God and know God does not lie. So to me I am safe and secure in Father through Christ the Son, whom is the propitiation foe my sins all and as well for the whole world
1John 2
 

homwardbound

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The Law condemned (sentenced to death) all, not one was justified (found not guilty).

If none was found righteous (right standing before God) by the Law, then all under the Old Covenant received eternal condemnation. Yet, God IS the God of Abraham.....

They were righteous because they kept the Law: Deu 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

Most definitely, they who were righteous of the Law were justified from that adverse sentencing when their long awaited Messiah delivered them from that sentencing.



We all have sinned at least once. Luckily for them, they had a sacrificial system which made them have a right standing before God again when they offered up the proper sacrifice. Luckily for them also, they who were righteous of the Law had the same Everlasting Sacrifice we do and as we are now, were delivered from judgment.
Cultz3, God is so Merciful, that God has done what he has done through Son, forgiven the whole world for their failures to be obedient in Love to God and neighbor. Why?
Because all that are and were born after Adam, were born of the flesh that is dead to God in Spirit.
Tell me, is it my fault that I was born after Adam in the flesh dead to God in the Spirit, or yours or anyone else?
So now do we see the Mercy of God. doing what God did through Son to restore us to the Life we should have had, if we believe and trust God.

Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Mercy through Christ we have been forgiven, so shall we respond with Mercy to our neighbors as well or not?