What Laws are still valid to christians

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
How does the Holy Spirit call us to live practically?
By not loving self.

lol. I know I am repeating, but this is the way one does not sin.

anything we do which is self motivated (even doing the commands of the law) is sin, so we can follow the law yet still be in sin..that again is the danger with following law.

 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
I'm just looking for a practical example of how the Spirit causes you to live in a real and physical way. How do you show God that you love Him? How do you show your neighbor that you love him so that he knows it?

Thats easy.

I go to a work. I am doing the work which God commands as he calls for all men to earn their wage. While I am there. I am focused on what my job entails. I am also looking for people God might be able to use me to minister to. Or possibly even bring to Christ. My mind is continually focused on what God has for me at any given moment.

Doing this, I will not look at the beautiful young lady, who is showing quite a bit of cleavage, and always tries to flirt with me, And which could very easily be a temptation to me, Instead I would look at here from the eyes of God. etc etc.

I think you get the point. I did not look to the law at all that day, But I also did not fulfill the lust my flesh myay have, because I was focused on the spirit.
 

KohenMatt

Senior Member
Jun 28, 2013
4,041
241
63
By not loving self.

lol. I know I am repeating, but this is the way one does not sin.

anything we do which is self motivated (even doing the commands of the law) is sin, so we can follow the law yet still be in sin..that again is the danger with following law.

lol, I know about repeating. I tend to do it a lot on here as well.

I've been trying to find someone who will say practically what it means to love others. I understand dying to yourself, but what does that look like practically? What would the Spirit cause us to do practically?

I know the Spirit has shown me how to live on daily basis, and that includes the Law. When I follow the commands of the Law through the guiding of the Holy Spirit, I'm blessed as I see life and insight into God's Kingdom in every command.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
lol, I know about repeating. I tend to do it a lot on here as well.

I've been trying to find someone who will say practically what it means to love others. I understand dying to yourself, but what does that look like practically? What would the Spirit cause us to do practically?

I know the Spirit has shown me how to live on daily basis, and that includes the Law. When I follow the commands of the Law through the guiding of the Holy Spirit, I'm blessed as I see life and insight into God's Kingdom in every command.
I will be honest, I can not see how you could do this. I don;t follow the law. If I spent all my time concentrating on law. I would be more worried about breaking it, then concentrating on loving others.

If we are loving others. we do not need the law. The only time I need law is when I am focused on self. And even then, I don;t need it because God said his law was written on our hearts. So I would already have the moral guildine.

 

KohenMatt

Senior Member
Jun 28, 2013
4,041
241
63

Thats easy.

I go to a work. I am doing the work which God commands as he calls for all men to earn their wage. While I am there. I am focused on what my job entails. I am also looking for people God might be able to use me to minister to. Or possibly even bring to Christ. My mind is continually focused on what God has for me at any given moment.

Doing this, I will not look at the beautiful young lady, who is showing quite a bit of cleavage, and always tries to flirt with me, And which could very easily be a temptation to me, Instead I would look at here from the eyes of God. etc etc.

I think you get the point. I did not look to the law at all that day, But I also did not fulfill the lust my flesh myay have, because I was focused on the spirit.
And there you go, the 1st practical example I've seen so far. Thank you.
You didn't follow after your flesh because God had already written that on your heart. I've seen that in my life too.
In addition, I've also seen how God has placed many facets of the Law on my heart as well, and as I go about my day, I see those principles lived out. Sometimes literally and physically, but always spiritually. That's my point. By reading the Word and understanding God's ways, He shows me how to live on a daily basis. And that will include much, if not all, of the Law.
And all of us as believers experience that same leading daily. Or at least we should.

Thanks for the examples, I appreciate it.
 

Josh321

Senior Member
Sep 3, 2013
1,286
17
0
I will be honest, I can not see how you could do this. I don;t follow the law. If I spent all my time concentrating on law. I would be more worried about breaking it, then concentrating on loving others.

If we are loving others. we do not need the law. The only time I need law is when I am focused on self. And even then, I don;t need it because
God said his law was written on our hearts. So I would already have the moral guildine.

i actually put myself to the test once i didn't know what was the holy spirit or anything atm but after i received it and notice the change in my life, i tested myself to see if this righteous was real or i was going crazy or something so i went among unbelievers and some of my old friends and they tried to get me back to my old ways but i just could not do it, literally i can't really explain it but that's how it is then i told them what happen to me at church and they said i'm crazy and going mad lol
 

KohenMatt

Senior Member
Jun 28, 2013
4,041
241
63
I will be honest, I can not see how you could do this. I don;t follow the law. If I spent all my time concentrating on law. I would be more worried about breaking it, then concentrating on loving others.

If we are loving others. we do not need the law. The only time I need law is when I am focused on self. And even then, I don;t need it because God said his law was written on our hearts. So I would already have the moral guildine.
The thing is, I don't spend all my time concentrating on it. It's just as much a part of the Word as everything else. That's why I don't elevate it over the Gospels or the Epistles. Nor would you elevate the Epistles over the OT. I'm saying that just like the Epistles, the Law can show us how to love others. Why? because the Holy Spirit is in the Law. Why do we read any part of the Bible if it's already written on our hearts? Because its a reminder and an encouragement. That also applies to the Law.
 
H

Hoffco

Guest
eternallygrateful. you are a joker, man, you say you say you fight temptation by turning from it, resisting evil, as the law tells us to and then you say, you don't follow the law, God instructions,: yet, you fight sin by thelaw of God's guidenance, right? You don't make sense. You double talk, no one can reason with one who talks out of both sides of his mouth. say what you say and mean what you say. Don't make an arguement when you really agree. Please make senser. Hoffco
 
Sep 8, 2012
4,367
59
0
Sorry, Rich, you don't know what sal. is about. SANCTIFICATIO is SAL> It is not a second work of Grace. that is heresy. We don't need a second work od grace to make us obey, the new birth gives us a new heart to obey
God. "freed from sin and enslaved to God is sal. to obey leads to eternal life. Rom.6:22 If you don't agree, you are a heritic, sorry about that, it is the truth. love to all who obey the truth, Hoffco
Sanctification is not salvation.
Neither is wisdom salvation.
Neither is salvation sanctification.
Neither is wisdom glorification.
Neither is glorification sancification.

You are mixing terms in a sloppy way.
As for a second grace, you are the one claiming that.
But not so much grace, but obedience.
As if God has His fingers crossed in heaven, hoping somebody will respond to His perfect work.
This is frank pelagianism,.....and is rampant in the "make a decision for Christ" mindset.
Listen, no man has an isle of righteousness in his soul to draw on, we are ALL sold into sin!
The "acceptance" of Jesus Christ is itself a work of grace.
Goodness! The whole reformation was based on this. (Romans, Corinthians, etc., etc.)
- Unless you want to return to Catholic indulgences.
- - Good grief!
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
The thing is, I don't spend all my time concentrating on it. It's just as much a part of the Word as everything else. That's why I don't elevate it over the Gospels or the Epistles. Nor would you elevate the Epistles over the OT. I'm saying that just like the Epistles, the Law can show us how to love others. Why? because the Holy Spirit is in the Law. Why do we read any part of the Bible if it's already written on our hearts? Because its a reminder and an encouragement. That also applies to the Law.
Again I can;t see that. The law tells me what NOT to do. It does not show me how not to do it, or how to love.

Again, I do not love someone by not commiting adultry with her, I love her by serving her in whatever God needs me to at that moment, The law can not show me how to do this.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
eternallygrateful. you are a joker, man, you say you say you fight temptation by turning from it, resisting evil, as the law tells us to and then you say, you don't follow the law,

I did. Can you show me where I ever said this?


God instructions,: yet, you fight sin by thelaw of God's guidenance, right? You don't make sense. You double talk, no one can reason with one who talks out of both sides of his mouth. say what you say and mean what you say. Don't make an arguement when you really agree. Please make senser. Hoffco
lol..

Again, Show me where I said this?

If I am following the spirit. I will not have to resist sin. I wil not even THINK OF SINNING..Nor be TEMPTED BY IT

This is what I have said since day 1

 

KohenMatt

Senior Member
Jun 28, 2013
4,041
241
63
Again I can;t see that. The law tells me what NOT to do. It does not show me how not to do it, or how to love.

Again, I do not love someone by not commiting adultry with her, I love her by serving her in whatever God needs me to at that moment, The law can not show me how to do this.
Out of curiosity, when was the last time you read through the Law? And have you ever asked God to teach you something through reading it? Because I'm reading it right now, and it's starting off pretty positive. And all good things to do in your life.
 
Last edited:
Sep 4, 2012
14,424
691
113
He certainly has that power. But since He said those things are eternal, and that He doesn't change, and Jesus said that until heaven and earth passes away would the least of those commands be annuled, it wouldn't make much sense for Him to do so.
But GOD obviously does change his dealings with men. You said that the commandment to be circumcised in the flesh is not binding. Under the old covenant, you would have been cut off from Israel, or possibly stoned for saying such. That means GOD has changed in his dealings with men.
 

KohenMatt

Senior Member
Jun 28, 2013
4,041
241
63
But GOD obviously does change his dealings with men. You said that the commandment to be circumcised in the flesh is not binding. Under the old covenant, you would have been cut off from Israel, or possibly stoned for saying such. That means GOD has changed in his dealings with men.
Not binding for salvation.

Both of my sons were circumcised. It has no bearing on their salvation, because my oldest didn't understand the Gospel until this summer.
 
Sep 4, 2012
14,424
691
113
Sorry ,for my roughness to you; you spoke so confussingly that I took you the wrong way, I think, that is what happened.
I think that inadvertently happened. I was not implying that Paul himself nullified the commandment to be circumcised, but that by teaching that circumcision was nothing (by commandment of GOD), he was in effect nullifying the commandment. The point being to demonstrate the absurdity of the idea of Paul being least in the kingdom of heaven, even though he taught circumcision (a commandment) was nothing.
 
Sep 4, 2012
14,424
691
113
Not binding for salvation.

Both of my sons were circumcised. It has no bearing on their salvation, because my oldest didn't understand the Gospel until this summer.
If it's not binding in terms of salvation, it's not binding in terms of anything.
 
Last edited:
H

Hoffco

Guest
eternally grateful I used your post #2522 and Matt said of your post 2522 in his #2525 , thanks for using the law to fight sin, (In so many words, not exact,) Hoffco
 
Sep 8, 2012
4,367
59
0
But GOD obviously does change his dealings with men. You said that the commandment to be circumcised in the flesh is not binding. Under the old covenant, you would have been cut off from Israel, or possibly stoned for saying such. That means GOD has changed in his dealings with men.
No!
Circumcision was but for a sign.
The forskin being a covering of the most tender part of a man. (A picture of the heart, "rend your hearts oh Israel")
Circumcision was a law to signify a greater truth, just as all of the sacrificial animals were but forshadows of the Christ to come.
God did not change. - If you have a picture of your wife, (say when you are away in battle), does that make her the picture?
No.
So it is with the Mosaic Law, it all points to Jesus Christ. A picture, for those who had faith in the Messiah to observe.
- (As you would look at a picture of your wife in a foxhole.)

God did not change one iota.
Not one jot or tittle.

Believe me, there is no shadow of turning in Him. He is, was, and always will be perfect.
- So how can He change?
He changes His dealings with men? - Not really.
If you examine it, the only change was the coming of the promised Messiah.
 
Last edited: