What Laws are still valid to christians

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Josh321 said:
so what are you doing then? you claim over and over that we must keep the 10 commandments now your confusing me
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wait a minute, do I understand you correctly josh....are you saying that we do not need to keep The 10 Commandments? are you saying The Ten Commandments have been abolished/done away with?
 
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Thanks for using the law to fight sin comment? This comment suggests human effort in all its strengths and facets is able to meet the demands of the law, this is simply not true? Jesus in us is the enabler ? The provider of power, and its his spirit in us which qualifies us as not under the demands of the law? The law in purpose was only to reveal not to empower us to be able to reach its standard? We can't ?, we cannot obey the law in its entirety as god demanded and are now Instructed by god to obey wateva his son says ? What does Jesus want us to do? Follow him amen some really good posts today on this topic let us respect all views even if we disagree massively ... Nite all on cc....
 
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No!
Circumcision was but for a sign.
The forskin being a covering of the most tender part of a man. (A picture of the heart, "rend your hearts oh Israel")
Circumcision was a law to signify a greater truth, just as all of the sacrificial animals were but forshadows of the Christ to come.
God did not change. - If you have a picture of your wife, (say when you are away in battle), does that make her the picture?
No.
So it is with the Mosaic Law, it all points to Jesus Christ. A picture, for those who had faith in the Messiah to observe.
- (As you would look at a picture of your wife in a foxhole.)

God did not change one iota.
Not one jot or tittle.

Believe me, there is no shadow of turning in Him. He is, was, and always will be perfect.
- So how can He change?
He changes His dealings with men? - Not really.
If you examine it, the only change was the coming of the promised Messiah.
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Circumcision was more than a sign. It was a law that if violated cut off the violator from the old covenant and GOD. Moses said become circumcised; Paul forbade it as a means of obedience to law. Something has obviously changed.
 
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eternally grateful I used your post #2522 and Matt said of your post 2522 in his #2525 , thanks for using the law to fight sin, (In so many words, not exact,) Hoffco
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Nothiing in my post # 2522 mentiones what you claim I said. So i do not know what you are trying to say.
 
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wait a minute, do I understand you correctly josh....are you saying that we do not need to keep The 10 Commandments? are you saying The Ten Commandments have been abolished/done away with?
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No. He's saying that they don't have authority over believers. Only those who aren't led of the spirit are under the law.
 
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Elin said:
"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.
His purpose was to create in himself one new man (body of Christ) out of the two, thus making peace, by which he put to death their hostility." (Eph 2:14-16)

His death on the cross created peace (reconciliation)

1) between Jew and Gentile, by abolishing the source of their hostility in the defilement laws, and making them into one new man, the body of Christ, and

2) between God and the one body of Jews and Gentiles (mankind), by forgiveness of their sin through faith his propitiating sacrifice (Ro 3:25), which gave them right standing (not quilty) before God.

His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two (Eph 2:15),
and then reconcile the one new man to God. (Eph 2:16)
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That is about the letter of the Law, not the Spirit of the Law of Love, that is spread abroad in the born again believer, is this truth?
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Well, there is no "letter of the Law" nor "spirit of the law" in Scripture.

There is only "the letter," which is the law, and "the Spirit," which is the Holy Spirit.

Eph 2:15 is referring to "the law with its commandments and regulations" which was abolished in Jesus flesh on the cross.

The law with its commandments and regulations regarding defilement (Lev 11) made the Gentiles unclean to the Jews, being the wall of separtation that caused hostility between them, which Jesus abolished in his flesh, thus making peace between them (Eph 2:16).
 
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Further........God spared David his life after he had a man killed, and took the man's wife.
- How could a righteous God do that?
Also, Jesus spared the woman taken in adultery before the "age of grace".
- (They were still under the law)
- - So, we see a grace of God even under the law.
Does God change His dealings with mankind?
Except for the obvious, not really.
The earliest living soul who trusted in the coming savior was just as saved as the thief on the cross.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
If circumcision (and its commandment) has no meaning in regards to salvation, it has no meaning in regards to anything. That is why Paul said it was nothing.
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Does murder have anything to do with salvation? Does murmuring and complaining (Phil 2:14) have anything to do with salvation? Does that mean we can disregard those? (A bit of extreme example, I know)
 
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Does murder have anything to do with salvation? Does murmuring and complaining (Phil 2:14) have anything to do with salvation? Does that mean we can disregard those? (A bit of extreme example, I know)
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lol. No one is disregarding laws my friend. They just are trying to explain a better way of not breaking the law. I have been to many churches which teach law. To be honest, they are the most behind the scene sinners I have ever seen. Everytime I turned around someone was found with a "hidden sin" and ended up falling away from the church.

Why do you think I fight it so hard. IT almost took me out!
 
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KohenMatt said:
Does murder have anything to do with salvation? Does murmuring and complaining (Phil 2:14) have anything to do with salvation? Does that mean we can disregard those? (A bit of extreme example, I know)
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We don't have to regard the law at all. If we walk in the spirit, we will not do those things. The spirit is a reality and life, not an abstract idea that must be bolstered with laws.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

lol. No one is disregarding laws my friend. They just are trying to explain a better way of not breaking the law. I have been to many churches which teach law. To be honest, they are the most behind the scene sinners I have ever seen. Everytime I turned around someone was found with a "hidden sin" and ended up falling away from the church.

Why do you think I fight it so hard. IT almost took me out!
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I understand what you're saying. My question was in regards to his statement that circumcision has nothing to do with salvation, then it has nothing to do with anything. The Bible is full of commands that would have no bearing on salvation, but are still vital to our relationship with God.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
We don't have to regard the law at all. If we walk in the spirit, we will not do those things. The spirit is a reality and life, not an abstract idea that must be bolstered with laws.
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Then do we need to regard the New Testament either, because those instructions are inherent with the Spirit as well.
 
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Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Question does forever mean forever on exodus 31:17, or did God change this convenant when Jesus was crucify ???

was this mandatory for the Children of Israel forever?
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Circumcision was more than a sign. It was a law that if violated cut off the violator from the old covenant and GOD. Moses said become circumcised; Paul forbade it as a means of obedience to law. Something has obviously changed.
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Now you bring back the whole of the sacrificial law. (Cutting off the foreskin is a very personal sacrifice)
What did Moses say would happen to those who did not keep the sacrifices?
Need any hints?
Was it 'more than a law'?

Listen, the law is the schoolmaster.
The whole of the law is the schoolmaster,......writing on a chalkboard made of stone.
The Holy Spirit writes the Spirit of the law on our hearts.
- More than a law? There is nothing more than a law.

- - "The letter kills but the Spirit gives life."
- - - "And He will write the law onto your hearts."

- - - - There is nothing more than a law bro. (Jesus fulfilled it); and by so doing He gave us the Comforter.(To keep it)
It's all a law.

Just as the physical laws of:
1) gravity
2) electromagnetism
3) strong nuclear force
4) weak nuclear force

They are all laws. (Spiritual and physical)
God is a God of laws, it works better that way.
 
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I understand what you're saying. My question was in regards to his statement that circumcision has nothing to do with salvation, then it has nothing to do with anything. The Bible is full of commands that would have no bearing on salvation, but are still vital to our relationship with God.
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Circumcision is not vital to our relationship with God. I pray you do not think this.

It is very good, for health reasons. But not for our relationship with God. That was for the jews only As a sign of the covenant between God and them.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
We don't have to regard the law at all. If we walk in the spirit, we will not do those things. The spirit is a reality and life, not an abstract idea that must be bolstered with laws.
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Just a Question

When you say spirit you mean the holyspirit correct? The holyspirit in dwell in King David and he had a woman that was not his wife and killed a man. There is no mention of God spirit leaving him as we have read about on King Saul, King David repented and follow a teaching that was given to him psalms 18:20-27, has the Holyspirit change sence then ?

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vic1980 said:
when you say spirit you mean the holyspirit correct? The holyspirit in dwell in King David and he had a woman that was not his wife and killed a man. There is no mention of God spirit leaving him as we have read about King Saul, David repented and follow a teaching that was given to him psalms 18:20-27, has the Holyspirit change sence then Just a question ?
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King David was obviously walking according to the flesh when he sinned. The holy spirit would not tell him to do what he did. In other words, David wasn't walking in the holy spirit when he sinned. He was walking after his lusts.
 
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All the law was signposts leading to Jesus Christ.
As well as the rest of the O.T. and the entire N.T.
- They all point to Jesus Christ. - (Without whom, no man shall see God)
 
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RickShafer said:
Now you bring back the whole of the sacrificial law. (Cutting off the foreskin is a very personal sacrifice)
What did Moses say would happen to those who did not keep the sacrifices?
Need any hints?
Was it 'more than a law'?

Listen, the law is the schoolmaster.
The whole of the law is the schoolmaster,......writing on a chalkboard made of stone.
The Holy Spirit writes the Spirit of the law on our hearts.
- More than a law? There is nothing more than a law.

- - "The letter kills but the Spirit gives life."
- - - "And He will write the law onto your hearts."

- - - - There is nothing more than a law bro. (Jesus fulfilled it); and by so doing He gave us the Comforter.(To keep it)
It's all a law.

Just as the physical laws of:
1) gravity
2) electromagnetism
3) strong nuclear force
4) weak nuclear force

They are all laws. (Spiritual and physical)
God is a God of laws, it works better that way.
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The spirit is the law. Obey it and you will do well. Disobey it, not so well.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

Circumcision is not vital to our relationship with God. I pray you do not think this.

It is very good, for health reasons. But not for our relationship with God. That was for the jews only As a sign of the covenant between God and them.
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It is not vital to our relationship unless He lays it on your heart. He laid it on my wife and I's heart, so both of our boys were circumcised. Not just for health reasons, but as a sign as well.
 
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