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GRA,
I came back inside off the ledge, so no need to worry,
. But, I'm still freaking out to some extent. This wasn't a quick interpretation.
I came back inside off the ledge, so no need to worry,
. But, I'm still freaking out to some extent. This wasn't a quick interpretation.
( Did I somehow miss this before? )
"I can see right now where you went wrong..."
2 Peter 3:
[SUP]1[/SUP] This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: [SUP]2[/SUP] That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: [SUP]3[/SUP] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, [SUP]4[/SUP] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. [SUP]5[/SUP] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: [SUP]6[/SUP] Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: [SUP]7[/SUP] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. [SUP]8[/SUP] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. [SUP]9[/SUP] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. [SUP]10[/SUP] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. [SUP]11[/SUP] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, [SUP]12[/SUP] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? [SUP]13[/SUP] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. [SUP]14[/SUP] Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. [SUP]15[/SUP] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; [SUP]16[/SUP] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. [SUP]17[/SUP] Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. [SUP]18[/SUP] But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
MOST people misinterpret verse 8 - so that it "throws them off" on the rest...
Some people think that verse 8 applies to all of scripture - so that, at any place they see 'day' - they think '1000 years'. Other people think that it never applies in this way - but that, it simply means that "all time to God stands still"...
In the context of this passage of scripture, this verse is "a heads-up clue" from the author that - in the context of this passage of scripture - the events that are detailed in the description of 'the day of the Lord' ( verse 10 ) encompass 1000 years.
It only applies to this passage.
It is to give the reader the understanding that 'the day of the Lord' is describing -- both - 1000 years - and - the first day of that 1000 years.
The span of time of events described in this passage includes the Second Coming of Christ, the 1000-year reign of Christ, and Judgment Day.
The 1000-year reign of Christ is after the Second Coming of Christ but before Judgment Day.
The description in verse 10 does not occur until after Judgment Day.
Carefully read verse 7 - and also Revelation 20:11-15.
It does not occur at the Second Coming of Christ.
Yes, I agree with this, most of it. You are citing an old post of mine where I was still confused about a few things. The 1 day to the Lord being 1,000 years to man, isn't a one time rule but I agree, it can't be used everywhere. I do think that when you have a time period in heaven given, you can attempt to apply it to this rule. There isn't a lot of scripture that I am aware of that gives a time frame in heaven, but one comes to mind.
Rev 8:
1 When He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.
I think it possible that this could mean a 20 year gap on earth between the opening of the 7th seal and the start of the trumpets. If you do the math, 1000/48.
Rev 8:
1 When He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.
I think it possible that this could mean a 20 year gap on earth between the opening of the 7th seal and the start of the trumpets. If you do the math, 1000/48.
No - that is not what he is saying.
Correct.
This is talking about the First Coming.
This is talking about the Second Coming.
Correct.
This is talking about the First Coming.
This is talking about the Second Coming.
There are two groups of Christians that will be in heaven on the eve of the Lord's return. Those that come back with Jesus and those that wait until the millennium is over and return with God. Sorry for my earlier confusion on this point.
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Looking for "hidden meaning" in every word and phrase of scripture is "dangerous at best", where interpretation is concerned.
I would strongly advise anyone to be careful not to get caught up in this kind of thing.
This 'half an hour' is not even symbolic ( in the context ) -- it is a perception of John.
PlainWord:
You seem to have paid no regard to all my warnings. ( See posts 91, 175, 180, 199, 203 )
You seem to continue to run from tree to tree, not looking at the whole forest... ( from this post )
You said that you wanted me to "trip you up" concerning your views. ( See posts 179, 182 )
How can I do that if you are not going to at least consider what I am trying to convey to you?
I would strongly advise anyone to be careful not to get caught up in this kind of thing.
This 'half an hour' is not even symbolic ( in the context ) -- it is a perception of John.
PlainWord:
You seem to have paid no regard to all my warnings. ( See posts 91, 175, 180, 199, 203 )
You seem to continue to run from tree to tree, not looking at the whole forest... ( from this post )
You said that you wanted me to "trip you up" concerning your views. ( See posts 179, 182 )
How can I do that if you are not going to at least consider what I am trying to convey to you?
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Looking for "hidden meaning" in every word and phrase of scripture is "dangerous at best", where interpretation is concerned.
I would strongly advise anyone to be careful not to get caught up in this kind of thing.
This 'half an hour' is not even symbolic ( in the context ) -- it is a perception of John.
PlainWord:
You seem to have paid no regard to all my warnings. ( See posts 91, 175, 180, 199, 203 )
You seem to continue to run from tree to tree, not looking at the whole forest... ( from this post )
You said that you wanted me to "trip you up" concerning your views. ( See posts 179, 182 )
How can I do that if you are not going to at least consider what I am trying to convey to you?
I would strongly advise anyone to be careful not to get caught up in this kind of thing.
This 'half an hour' is not even symbolic ( in the context ) -- it is a perception of John.
PlainWord:
You seem to have paid no regard to all my warnings. ( See posts 91, 175, 180, 199, 203 )
You seem to continue to run from tree to tree, not looking at the whole forest... ( from this post )
You said that you wanted me to "trip you up" concerning your views. ( See posts 179, 182 )
How can I do that if you are not going to at least consider what I am trying to convey to you?
But again, this isn't a hill I am willing to fight over.
I am looking at the whole forest GRA. Yes I make mistakes at times, who doesn't. When I make them I am willing to admit them and move on for the better good of the discussion. However, when I point out your mistakes, you completely blow them off and refuse to even acknowledge them or discuss them.
For instance about 5 times now I asked you to show me how you can say the Lord returns BEFORE the Bowls in light of Rev 16:15 but you continue to be silent. This passage is found right between the 6th and 7th Bowl. You can't tell me the Lord is on earth and laying low until this moment because we know He comes on clouds in all His glory.
My purpose for being on here is to collaborate with other Christians about end times prophesy. I would like to see us work together to solve very complex issues that none of us can resolve alone. In the process I throw out ideas, some are dead on, some are from left field. I try to clarify when I am sure about something and when I'm speculating.
GRA, another example where you refuse to consider other ideas is where I explained your question about the Jews going into captivity and the days of the Gentiles during the end times. I quoted scripture to support this. You just shrugged it off and said I was wrong without saying why. I will try again. Your question was concerning this passage from Luke 21:
24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
First, we see a new temple being built BEFORE the ABOMINATION is set up. This passage is right before the discussion of the two witnesses so clearly the timing is Tribulation, Rev 11:
1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.
But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.
We then see this from Rev 13:
He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Since the above passage is contained in Rev 13, it is a future vision of John and not part of the events surrounding AD70. Daniel tells us in Dan 12 that this will indeed be a very bad time for Israel at the end.
1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.
Christ agrees in Luke 21. Most of thought this referred to AD70 events but I think it is referring to Tribulation events as it tends to agree with the Mat 24 and Mark 13 accounts as well as the Daniel and Rev accounts. We could even include Zach 13, Joel 1-2 and many other passages in this. Here is the Luke 21 passage again. Look at it as end times for a moment:
20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
The key phrase is verse 22. Days of Vengeance. When are the Days of Vengeance? End times, God's Wrath, his Bowls. We know Israel is involved in a major war during the end times.
Can you at least acknowledge this has merit? I think it is very compelling. Good debate brother
24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
First, we see a new temple being built BEFORE the ABOMINATION is set up. This passage is right before the discussion of the two witnesses so clearly the timing is Tribulation, Rev 11:
1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.
But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.
We then see this from Rev 13:
He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Since the above passage is contained in Rev 13, it is a future vision of John and not part of the events surrounding AD70. Daniel tells us in Dan 12 that this will indeed be a very bad time for Israel at the end.
1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.
Christ agrees in Luke 21. Most of thought this referred to AD70 events but I think it is referring to Tribulation events as it tends to agree with the Mat 24 and Mark 13 accounts as well as the Daniel and Rev accounts. We could even include Zach 13, Joel 1-2 and many other passages in this. Here is the Luke 21 passage again. Look at it as end times for a moment:
20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
The key phrase is verse 22. Days of Vengeance. When are the Days of Vengeance? End times, God's Wrath, his Bowls. We know Israel is involved in a major war during the end times.
Can you at least acknowledge this has merit? I think it is very compelling. Good debate brother
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The truth is - I gave up on you...
Your long posts seemed to fill up with many, many "points of error" -- way too many for me to take the time to address.
It takes quite some time for me to write a good-sized post.
"My job keeps me tired all of the time."
So - I just gave up.
Sorry.
And, I gave you an answer...
Please read this post.
Please read this post.
Please read this post.
I thought that you seemed quite certain that you had it all figured out...
Your long posts seemed to fill up with many, many "points of error" -- way too many for me to take the time to address.
It takes quite some time for me to write a good-sized post.
"My job keeps me tired all of the time."
So - I just gave up.
Sorry.
And, I gave you an answer...
Please read this post.
Please read this post.
Please read this post.
"I believe that you are over-analyzing the patterns in the bark on the trees without realizing what the whole forest looks like..."
Biblical prophesy is not written in a verse-by-verse play-by-play sort of way.
Please stop running from tree to tree -- back up and view the whole forest...
Biblical prophesy is not written in a verse-by-verse play-by-play sort of way.
Please stop running from tree to tree -- back up and view the whole forest...
I thought that you seemed quite certain that you had it all figured out...
I do write long posts, guilty as charged. I guess I lose people with that. Will try to keep this short.
Nope, Christ is NOT seven angels, he's not even one angel...He's way more than that, as you know.
Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth."
Christ just slaughters the wicked when He returns, the Bowls happen first but in really fast succession.
Sorry, me too. Plus my GF doesn't like me on here meeting chicks. LOL. Rest up my friend.
Nope, Christ is NOT seven angels, he's not even one angel...He's way more than that, as you know.
Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth."
Christ just slaughters the wicked when He returns, the Bowls happen first but in really fast succession.
Sorry, me too. Plus my GF doesn't like me on here meeting chicks. LOL. Rest up my friend.
I believe you have some things mixed up...
1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, "Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
Notice the 42 months? It is the same as the rule of the Beast/Antichrist. There are plans for a new Israel temple right now and I'm told it could be constructed very quickly. Check out this website if you want proof.
The Temple Institute: The Holy Temple in Jerusalem: Yesterday Tomorrow Today
Also check out Ezek 40-48. Sure sounds like Christ is in the new temple. You are such a literalist. I find it hard to believe that here you will go with the spiritual interpretation here thinking "We are all the temple of Christ that He is just residing in us." After all, are Gentiles going to be trampling around inside our body temples?
I believe the new temple will be part of the peace accord which the A/C or Beast will be behind. I believe once the Jews start offering animal sacrifices there, that the world will demand it halted and the A/C will end the daily sacrifices claiming they are no longer needed as he is the Christ. PETA is going to freak out...
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Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
It is sad to see people people attempting to teach when doing so only demonstrates there error. The temple of God is not a man made building!
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Eph 2:19-21 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Beasts or kingdoms, antichrists are those who deny Christ, two separate entities, not one.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
As we can see from the above verses an antichrist is simply the spirit that makes those who deny Christ antichrists. Nothing in those verses support your belief that antichrist is a beastly boogeyman that rules the world in the end times.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
As the above verses show our God/Word is unchanging. They also demonstrate that in the figurative language of prophecy a beast is a kingdom. History proves God/Word is true. Daniel’s lion beast was Babylon, the bear was Medo-Persia and the leopard was Greece. Can you show us where our unchanging God/Word changed? If not then isn’t it our responsibility to recognize the composite leopard, bear, lion beast and the two horned beast of Revelation 13 are also kingdoms?
What does this have to do with this discussion. Regardless of whether or not the Jews build a building or not it won’t be the temple of God. John wasn’t talking about a building that was already spiritually desolate before the first step of the construction on it even began. Do you honestly believe a building (that may or may not be built) and God doesn’t/won’t dwell in is holy?
Sure it is, but that does not mean it is an earthly temple.
Eze_43:7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places
Do you believe that Christ will dwell in a building the Jews will supposedly build forever? I think we would be better served to recognize Ezekiel’s temple has already been built and Christ is already seated there.
Heb 8:1-2 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man If you want to believe the futurists propoganda that is derived from the antireformation writings of the Jesuit priest Ribera, that is certainly your choice and your right. As you are led friend, as you are led!
The evidence that there will be a third temple is pretty compelling. A read of the millennium era in Ezek 40-48 makes it pretty obvious. The number "3" represents divine perfection. You have 3 earth ages, you have a trinity, you have three states of matter (liquid, solid, gas), you have three elements of time (past, present, future), three attributes of God (omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence), Jesus was dead 3 days, Jonah spent 3 days in the belly of the fish, there are 3 theological virtues (faith, hope and charity), There were three Patriarchs of the children of Israel (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) etc...
But if there is not to be a third temple and all prophetic references to the temple are symbolic then the Gentiles would merely be trampling around in Jerusalem. But I reject that notion because it makes no sense. Paul says there will be a temple in 2 Thes 2:4.
I believe we will see a new temple as part of the 7 year peace accord that John Kerry is currently negotiating between Israel and the Palestinians. I believe this covenant will be reached sometime next year and that will begin the 7 year tribulation period. At the mid point, the A/C will be revealed in the Temple (or Holy Place for you doubters) then the Great Tribulation will begin.
But if there is not to be a third temple and all prophetic references to the temple are symbolic then the Gentiles would merely be trampling around in Jerusalem. But I reject that notion because it makes no sense. Paul says there will be a temple in 2 Thes 2:4.
I believe we will see a new temple as part of the 7 year peace accord that John Kerry is currently negotiating between Israel and the Palestinians. I believe this covenant will be reached sometime next year and that will begin the 7 year tribulation period. At the mid point, the A/C will be revealed in the Temple (or Holy Place for you doubters) then the Great Tribulation will begin.
At what point in the future - between now and Armageddon - could the Jews possibly be "led away captive into all nations" - but then be "back in the land" in time for Armageddon?
( And, of course, match all related biblical prophecy. )
Anyone?
( And, of course, match all related biblical prophecy. )
Anyone?
But a case can certainly be made for the "captivity" to be voluntary and even spiritually.
2 Timothy 2:
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
Romans 7:23:
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
2 Cor 10:5:
casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
If you look at Mat 24:16 spiritually, which we know some of it is as in the pregnant and nursing, we could see this passage in a different light.
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Rather than fleeing to the literal mountains, they could be fleeing to the nations since "mountain" is symbolic of "nation" in many places in the Bible.
Before you flip out, I am not saying the reference to mountains is figurative, I'm just putting that out there.
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Really and what evidence is that? There is none, as the temple of God is not a man made building.
Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
It really is sad to see professing Christians that don’t understand what/where the temple of God is!
Only if one is blinded by doctrine and believes that God will dwell in a man made temple FOREVER. So are you suggesting some man made building will last forever?
Eze_43:7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places
Do you believe that Christ will dwell in a building the Jews will supposedly build forever? I think we would be better served to recognize Ezekiel’s temple has already been built and Christ is already seated there.
Heb 8:1-2 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man
Let’s leave the guess work theology out of it as it certainly does not help you prove your point. Instead it only demonstrates how desparately you cling to your traditionally taught doctrine which makes the word of God of none effect.
Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
And the truth comes out, you reject what the Scriptures actually say so you can stand by the Scripturally bankrupt doctrine you espouse. Read it and weep my friend it is Jerusalem that is trodden under foot,
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
As the above verses demonstrate it is Jerusalem that is trodden over by the Gentiles. The court that is left out was given to the Gentiles. They will control it until the Lord’s return for the gifts of God are without repentance.
As I demonstrated from Scripture earlier in post 216 of this thread the temple of God is not some man made building. If you want to understand the man of sin then you need to look in the true temple of God not some man made building that Godes doesn’t/won’t dwell in. If you would like to gain an understanding of the man of sin may I suggest you check out a Scripturally sound study on the Man of Sin <click
Scripture does not say anything about John Kerry (don’t hold your breath waiting for that peace treaty), nor does it say that antichrist will be revealed in the temple. Let’s keep it Scriptural and leave the guesswork out of it.
If you want to believe in the Scripturally bankrupt drivel you espouse over the truth of the Scriptures that is certainly your choice and your right. As you are led friend as you are led!
Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
It really is sad to see professing Christians that don’t understand what/where the temple of God is!
Only if one is blinded by doctrine and believes that God will dwell in a man made temple FOREVER. So are you suggesting some man made building will last forever?
Eze_43:7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places
Do you believe that Christ will dwell in a building the Jews will supposedly build forever? I think we would be better served to recognize Ezekiel’s temple has already been built and Christ is already seated there.
Heb 8:1-2 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man
Let’s leave the guess work theology out of it as it certainly does not help you prove your point. Instead it only demonstrates how desparately you cling to your traditionally taught doctrine which makes the word of God of none effect.
Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
And the truth comes out, you reject what the Scriptures actually say so you can stand by the Scripturally bankrupt doctrine you espouse. Read it and weep my friend it is Jerusalem that is trodden under foot,
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
As the above verses demonstrate it is Jerusalem that is trodden over by the Gentiles. The court that is left out was given to the Gentiles. They will control it until the Lord’s return for the gifts of God are without repentance.
As I demonstrated from Scripture earlier in post 216 of this thread the temple of God is not some man made building. If you want to understand the man of sin then you need to look in the true temple of God not some man made building that Godes doesn’t/won’t dwell in. If you would like to gain an understanding of the man of sin may I suggest you check out a Scripturally sound study on the Man of Sin <click
Scripture does not say anything about John Kerry (don’t hold your breath waiting for that peace treaty), nor does it say that antichrist will be revealed in the temple. Let’s keep it Scriptural and leave the guesswork out of it.
If you want to believe in the Scripturally bankrupt drivel you espouse over the truth of the Scriptures that is certainly your choice and your right. As you are led friend as you are led!
Somebody better tell the Jews in Jerusalem that there won't be a third temple because they sure are talking a lot about it and apparently actively working towards it. These are just two recent stories from the JPOST.
The dedication of the Third Temple | JPost | Israel News
This is how the Third Temple will be rebuilt. When we see how the nation of Israel, with its collective, intuitive wisdom and pure faith, is peacefully changing the facts on the ground, we can understand how, after such a Tishrei, Mar Heshvan is anything but drab... it is laden with promise and potential, because the best is yet to come.
We can understand how the Jewish people will see to it that Hashem will keep His promise to the month of Heshvan, with the dedication of the new Holy Temple, which will bring about the resting of the Divine Presence and the ultimate healing of all mankind. This is the plain and simple meaning of this enigmatic Midrashic teaching: If we will it, it will be.
The writer, a rabbi, is the director of the international department of the Temple Institute in Jerusalem.
Report: State funds groups that advocate building Third Temple | JPost | Israel News
The state has been subsidizing nonprofit organizations that advocate the building of the Third Temple atop Jerusalem’s holiest site, an Army Radio expose revealed on Sunday.
Over the course of the last decade, the Education Ministry and the Culture and Sport Ministry have transferred between NIS 300,000 and 700,000 to a non-government organization known as The Temple Institute. Just last year, the group received NIS 282,000 from the Education Ministry and another NIS 134,000 from the Culture Ministry.
“The Institute is dedicated to every aspect of the Biblical commandment to build the Holy Temple of G-d on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem,” the group’s website reads. “Our short-term goal is to rekindle the flame of the Holy Temple in the hearts of mankind through education. Our long-term goal is to do all in our limited power to bring about the building of the Holy Temple in our time.”
The dedication of the Third Temple | JPost | Israel News
This is how the Third Temple will be rebuilt. When we see how the nation of Israel, with its collective, intuitive wisdom and pure faith, is peacefully changing the facts on the ground, we can understand how, after such a Tishrei, Mar Heshvan is anything but drab... it is laden with promise and potential, because the best is yet to come.
We can understand how the Jewish people will see to it that Hashem will keep His promise to the month of Heshvan, with the dedication of the new Holy Temple, which will bring about the resting of the Divine Presence and the ultimate healing of all mankind. This is the plain and simple meaning of this enigmatic Midrashic teaching: If we will it, it will be.
The writer, a rabbi, is the director of the international department of the Temple Institute in Jerusalem.
Report: State funds groups that advocate building Third Temple | JPost | Israel News
The state has been subsidizing nonprofit organizations that advocate the building of the Third Temple atop Jerusalem’s holiest site, an Army Radio expose revealed on Sunday.
Over the course of the last decade, the Education Ministry and the Culture and Sport Ministry have transferred between NIS 300,000 and 700,000 to a non-government organization known as The Temple Institute. Just last year, the group received NIS 282,000 from the Education Ministry and another NIS 134,000 from the Culture Ministry.
“The Institute is dedicated to every aspect of the Biblical commandment to build the Holy Temple of G-d on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem,” the group’s website reads. “Our short-term goal is to rekindle the flame of the Holy Temple in the hearts of mankind through education. Our long-term goal is to do all in our limited power to bring about the building of the Holy Temple in our time.”