Make up

[marrion]

misty77 The GRACE of God which has appeared to all men teaches us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live soberly,righteously and Godly in the present age.
I think the only disagreement here is if makeup is indeed an ungodly practice or not.
I believe that the scriptures show that it is.
I think modern day Christians need to have a clear understanding of what GRACE actually is.
I had a friend of mine who is living with his girlfriend and having premarital sex with her tell me that he believes if he were to die that the mercy and GRACE of God would allow him to go to heaven even though he KOWS God is against premarital sex and that it is a sin.
We should be very careful how we throw the GRACE word around.

 

[Misty77]

misty77 The GRACE of God which has appeared to all men teaches us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live soberly,righteously and Godly in the present age.
I think the only disagreement here is if makeup is indeed an ungodly practice or not.
I believe that the scriptures show that it is.
I think modern day Christians need to have a clear understanding of what GRACE actually is.
I had a friend of mine who is living with his girlfriend and having premarital sex with her tell me that he believes if he were to die that the mercy and GRACE of God would allow him to go to heaven even though he KOWS God is against premarital sex and that it is a sin.
We should be very careful how we throw the GRACE word around.

Seriously, dude, did you just equate make up with premarital sex?

I must be putting it on wrong, then. =P

 

[marrion]

That was not an intended comparison but lets look at it from a spiritual standpoint for a second.
If a woman is painted up with the intentions of enticing and seducing men and causing them to lust after her(which im pretty sure we both agree happens)what happens when a man commits acts of sex with her in his mind and heart?
would you consider that premarital sex from a spiritual standpoint?
Jesus said it was adultery in the heart

 

[Angela53510]

Amazing the way the men legalists just jumped on this topic. Maybe they should just let the women find out for themselves what God says. And no where do I find makeup condemned in the Bible.

I am allergic to the sun. I have sun spots, and I have to be very careful when I go outside. I either wear foundation with sunscreen or sun screen 45-60 block.

I hope my sun screen doesn't bother all you legalists.

I also used to have blond eyelashes and eye brows with dark brown hair, and it looked like I had plucked them out. I was even told that by a woman in a woman's meeting one time. I didn't wear makeup and she accused me of plucking out my eyelashes and eyebrows to make a statement. So now I wear a bit of mascara, and my lashes show up, and a bit of eyebrow powder and I don't look like I am in chemo and wearing a wig. (Of course, the eyebrows and lashes have turned from blond to grey, but same difference)

So I use makeup simply to hide some deficits, so I won't look like a freak. I hope that is ok with the legalists, because I look more like a normal woman because I wear a modest amount of make up??

Maybe we need to stop judging on appearances and instead look on the heart.

"But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.” 1 Samuel 16:7

As for what I do with my face, my hair, earrings and clothing, I make sure it is acceptable to God, and that my heart is clean. I hope none of you men who condemn makeup don't shave or fuss around doing things like brushing your hair, I wouldn't want anyone to think you were guilty of trying to entice and seduce innocent women.

And there is nothing more telling than a man who is so worried about women trying to seduce them. I guess that is all that man is thinking about!

I am glad I married the man I did, who is happy with my appearance, and loves me with or without makeup!

 

[Misty77]

That was not an intended comparison but lets look at it from a spiritual standpoint for a second.
If a woman is painted up with the intentions of enticing and seducing men and causing them to lust after her(which im pretty sure we both agree happens)what happens when a man commits acts of sex with her in his mind and heart?
would you consider that premarital sex from a spiritual standpoint?
Jesus said it was adultery in the heart

The above is why theological training is greatly needed so I'll give a quick overview.

The first step is to observe the text without tainting it with your presupposition. I mean, really take a hard look at the grammar, the writing style, and literally every other possible aspect you can think of. Look up the word definitions in your language and in the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. This is probably the longest step.

Second, study the context including the history, culture, language, time period, and other factors that indicate the differences between the person writing the scripture and the person reading it.

Third, we discover the theological meaning. This principle is truth that is reflected in the text, timeless, not bound by culture, and relevant to the writer and the reader. Principles stand on their own, meaning, they don't vary by each person's understanding.

Then, see how it correlates with the rest of the Bible as a whole. Remember, the Bible ultimately cannot contradict itself.

Finally, we have application of the principle which we just discovered. For every principle, there are seemingly infinite ways to live it out in your life.

For example, modesty is the biblical principle. No one can argue that the Lord wants us to behave/dress (because that Greek word kinda indicates both) in an appropriate manner, specifically, not drawing attention for wrong reasons. How we apply the principle of modesty will vary by culture, time, age, and many other factors. Application is rather personal. Principles are independent.

These may vary slightly depending on your training, but the gist of it is the same. Any questions?

 

[Isdaniel]

Wat about the womenn that do not wear make up yet causes the man to lust after her hmmmm

 

[Isdaniel]

[h=3]Ecclesiastes 1[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.
2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

 

[Nautilus]

you guys clearly none of u are right and only marrion's interpretation of scripture is correct. We should prostrate ourselves and beg forgiveness of the sin of eyeshadow or foundation, perhaps a little concealer or eyeliner on halloween. How could we have been so foolish not to realize that this one man holds all the answers and only by following his strict legalistic misinterpretations of scripture is their any hope for us....lolnope

 

[marrion]

misty77 I hear you loud and clear and I understand what you are trying to explain.
My question is do you wear makeup yourself and why?
I still think it is ungodly and does more harm to the body of Christ than good.
Its also funny that whenever one does not agree with the wearing of makeup they get labeled a legalist.
even when this thread is specifically about our opinions on makeup.
I guess no one is allowed to disagree otherwise they will automatically be labeled a legalist.

 

[marrion]

nautilus your mocking and scoffing really does not bother me.
I think you should be more concerned that as a professing Christian(which I assume you claim to be)you don't see anything wrong with celebrating Halloween if that is the case with you.

 

[Misty77]

Yes, I do. You can see my profile pic for how I normally look at work. I might have on more eyeliner if I have a date.

Make up is not prohibited in scripture, although it should always be appropriate for the situation. I work in a Christian law firm so going bare-faced would be inappropriate for the position that I hold. I went to work without it once and spent more time assuring people that I was not ill than doing actual work. So I slathered on some foundation, strawberry lip gloss (because yum!), pink goo that doubles as blush and eyeshadow, shimmery goo for highlighting, purple eyeliner to accent my hazel eyes, and mascara to make me look awake before the Charismatics gathered for a healing meeting in my office.

Make up is as part of my adornments as soap, shampoo, deodorant, hairspray, toothpaste, and whatever other "artificial" things we do to make our bodies more pleasant to be around in public. Should I stop shaving? (Silly question. Winter's coming, and I'm not dating anyone. Kidding! Sort of.)

 

[marrion]

Misty77 you mock me too I see.lol.
No but I really do appreciate your honesty and openness.
I am not a legalist,but it seems like I am coming across that way which I really am sad about.
i also don't think makeup can be put into the same category as the other items you listed.
i am sorry that you felt pressured to wear makeup at your work but i believe we are in the world and not of the world.
The scriptures say to separate ourselves from the world and things of the world.
im not out for popularity points and i love everybody here with the love that Jesus has put inside of me.(could not do it otherwise)and i believe loving someone means wanting the greatest good for that person.
i believe someone should be able to look at a worldly person and a professing Christian and be able to not only see a difference in appearance but also in behavior.
when i was younger and not converted i would dress like the world,had a foul mouth,listened to rap music(which was all about sex drugs and violence)went to nightclubs etc.
The blood of Jesus Christ not only cleansed me but changed my nature and desire so that the desire to be like the world and fit in with the world gradually left me.
i know a lot of desires that the holy spirit convicts me and cleanses me of is not in the bible but i know they are wrong and i just believe that our love for Jesus should give us a desire to separate ourselves from anything that the world deems popular or acceptable.
We are not of this world nor should there be anything about us that connects us or makes us look or act worldly.
its definitely a process though and trust me i had idols n my life that i played tug of war with God with for a whie before completely letting go.

 

[posthuman]

Esther 2:15
Now when the turn came for Esther the daughter of Abihail the uncle of Mordecai, who had taken her as his daughter, to go in to the king, she requested nothing but what Hegai the king’s eunuch, the custodian of the women, advised. And Esther obtained favor in the sight of all who saw her.

Esther went through the required & advised beauty treatments but took nothing extra. this was a pretty special occasion, too.

i think that jives with the 'temperance' in makeup idea.

 

[Elizabeth619]

That was not an intended comparison but lets look at it from a spiritual standpoint for a second.
If a woman is painted up with the intentions of enticing and seducing men and causing them to lust after her(which im pretty sure we both agree happens)what happens when a man commits acts of sex with her in his mind and heart?
would you consider that premarital sex from a spiritual standpoint?
Jesus said it was adultery in the heart

I have to be honest with you. I've never had a man come on to me bc he liked my makeup. I've also never had a man want to have sexual relations with me bc I wear makeup.

 

[Elizabeth619]

you guys clearly none of u are right and only marrion's interpretation of scripture is correct. We should prostrate ourselves and beg forgiveness of the sin of eyeshadow or foundation, perhaps a little concealer or eyeliner on halloween. How could we have been so foolish not to realize that this one man holds all the answers and only by following his strict legalistic misinterpretations of scripture is their any hope for us....lolnope

Ohhhhh no! Let's not even get into the halloween debate. Lol

 

[biggiestomp]

Why do some churches disallow wearing make up if it is not a big issue ?

i believe some Christian just like to try and control others and that being why it's made a big issue. I also believe, in dictating how others should live with out leading them, through the word of God. More like personal opinion. Which is what i am doing in answering this question that was made. I also believe some question are made in order to lead the person who asked into given others their opinion, because they already had the answer to their question. There could be many reason to this respond. But I am not God! So this being just my opinion and not truth. I do know, however, my Lord never made me seek him. But it do seems to be "SOME" of the Christians way of life.

 

[Angela53510]

I also drank heavily and swore before I came to Christ. God convicted me of that from the first minute and I stopped, and never have had a drink again (33 years) or sworn. I always wore modest clothes, so that was not an issue.

As for the makeup, perhaps let us leave it to God to tell women what they should wear on their faces and how much. God certainly never convicted me of makeup! My MIL was raised in a strict Church of God family, and they were not allowed to wear makeup. Interesting how none of the children in that family of 9 are not following God. Because the strictness replaced the relationship with God.

If a man is lusting after women, it usually isn't makeup that makes them do it! More the body!

I don't see how in any way, shape or form makeup hurts the church. What hurts the church is men who lay down a law that was never even in the Old Testament. What a great witness it would be to be plain and dowdy all the time! NOT!

God gave me joy! I like to wear pretty clothes, earrings and some makeup. If I dressed like a cow, I would not reflect that joy of the Lord which people always ask me about. Women should not make themselves ugly, which I think the OP has confused for modesty.

It really is about our witness, and to me, being plain and boring is not the same thing as being modest. Modest means:

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[TD="align: left"]1. Having or showing a moderate estimation of one's own talents, abilities, and value.
2. Having or proceeding from a disinclination to call attention to oneself; retiring or diffident. See Synonyms at shy[SUP]1[/SUP].
3. Observing conventional proprieties in speech, behavior, or dress.
4. Free from showiness or ostentation; unpretentious. See Synonyms at plain.
5. Moderate or limited in size, quantity, or range; not extreme:

modest - definition of modest by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

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I observe conventional proprieties and I am not extreme. Wearing no makeup or too much makeup is extreme. I doubt any of the women in this forum are wearing too much makeup. Trust us, we walk with God and know how to glorify God in all we do, including dress and makeup.

We don't need lectures from petty tyrants about irrelevant things!

 

[marrion]

Elizabeth we cant see what goes on in peoples hearts which is where a lot of sin comes out of.
Men could be having sexual thoughts about you in their mind and heart while holding a conversation with you and you would never know.

 

[Elizabeth619]

This has gotten hilarious

 

[marrion]

God bless you Elizabeth.