JEWISH MISSIONS AND MESSIANIC JUDAISM..

[ChosenbyHim]

read the entire Book of Daniel.
without your commentary footnotes.
Daniel 12 specifically.

read Matthew Mark Luke & John, then Revelation.

I suggest you read it also. And please use the right Bible.

i can prove you do. have proved it.
you prove it yourself.

You proved nothing.

wrong division. chopping up.
false doctrine.

When you don't rightly divide the word of truth, you cause the Bible to contradict.


So I suggest you get yourself a copy of that book I recommended to you and read it. Because you still don't understand the Dispensational Truths.

and THAT ^^^ doesn't apply to YOU?

James 2 can apply to a Christian for instruction in righteousness, but when it comes to Doctrine, then you have to be careful. Because

1) James is written to the twelve tribes scattered abroad.


and 2) James is doctrinally pointed at the Jews in the time of Jacob's trouble.

a-a-a-a-a-and...there's your uber-dispensationalism.

so close....but you just can't see it.

You cannot see it.

like.......2000+ years in his future?

You do understand that the time of Jacob's trouble will take place in the future, don't you??

oh you own it.

No that is just your opinion which based on ignorance. I already told you that I do not promote hyper dispensationalism.

....but....NOT JAMES?

I am sure James had an understanding of it. But it was first revealed to Paul, since he is the apostle to the Gentiles.

Paul never told Timothy to SAVAGE God`s single redemptive plan dating back to ADAM.

so how dare YOU.

Salvation changes within each dispensation Zone. That's Bible Doctrine.


Also, in the Old Testament, they weren't looking forward to the cross back.

 

[zone]

Salvation changes within each dispensation Zone. That's Bible Doctrine.

thats sad.
and reported.

false gospels....a multitude.

 

[Praus]

And here is a book that I strongly recommend for you to read:

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Beware of Hyper Dispensationalism | Doctrine, Warning

A more recent form of hyper-dispensationalism is presented in ONE BOOK RIGHTLY DIVIDED: THE KEY TO UNDERSTANDING THE BIBLE BY DR. DOUGLAS STAUFFER (second edition 1999, McCowen Mills Publishers). Stauffer’s teaching is largely the same as that which has been promoted by Dr. Peter Ruckman for many years, though Stauffer gives Ruckman no credit. He does mention that he received “the principles of right division” from Dave Reese. I sat under Reese’s hyper-dispensational teaching in a course on prophecy at Tennessee Temple Bible School in the mid-1970s. It was a blessing when Reese left part way through the course, and we had the joy of finishing the rest of the course under the sound and profitable teaching of Dr. Bruce Lackey.

Stauffer’s book comes with recommendations from some well-known independent Baptist preachers, including Evangelist Dennis Corle of Revival Fires and J. Wendell Runion of International Baptist Outreach Missions. In his glowing Foreword to Stauffer’s book (which he calls a “spiritual masterpiece”), William Grady says that “this book will undoubtedly create shock waves within certain ‘camps’ of fundamentalism...” I doubt that the book will create shock waves within any camps, but it probably will create heretical shock waves in some individual lives and churches.
...
Stauffer’s expanded third edition (2006) slightly modifies a few of these things, but it presents the same type of hyper-dispensationalism. He does not renounce anything he taught in previous editions. To me, his chief error is three-fold. First, his error is in allotting the book of Acts and the General Epistles to a dispensation different from the church age.

Second, Stauffer’s error is in setting up Paul as THE spokesman for the church and in contradiction to Peter and the other apostles and prophets who wrote the New Testament. He says, “God’s specific directions for the Church are found predominantly in the thirteen epistles that God used Paul to pen for the Church” (p. 22). While we know that Paul holds a unique place as the apostle of the Gentiles and he was given some wonderful revelations of church truth, he was not the only apostle who wrote for the churches, the non-Pauline New Testament epistles are as much for the Church as Paul’s are, Paul’s revelations in no way contradict those of the General Epistles, and he did not preach a different gospel from the others.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

thats sad.
and reported.

false gospels....a multitude.

Zone, if a person preached a Gospel of Salvation by faith and works for today, then yes, that would be serious error and heresy.

But if that person is making a point that salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble (which is the next dispensation after the Church Age), will be both faith AND works, then that person is just being dispensational. Understanding what the Bible teaches.


The Gospel for today is the Gospel of Grace, the Gospel of the Death, Burial, and Resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:1-6).

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Beware of Hyper Dispensationalism | Doctrine, Warning

A more recent form of hyper-dispensationalism is presented in ONE BOOK RIGHTLY DIVIDED: THE KEY TO UNDERSTANDING THE BIBLE BY DR. DOUGLAS STAUFFER (second edition 1999, McCowen Mills Publishers). Stauffer’s teaching is largely the same as that which has been promoted by Dr. Peter Ruckman for many years, though Stauffer gives Ruckman no credit. He does mention that he received “the principles of right division” from Dave Reese. I sat under Reese’s hyper-dispensational teaching in a course on prophecy at Tennessee Temple Bible School in the mid-1970s. It was a blessing when Reese left part way through the course, and we had the joy of finishing the rest of the course under the sound and profitable teaching of Dr. Bruce Lackey.

Doug Stauffer does not teach Hyper-Dispensationalism. David Cloud is wrong.

Stauffer’s book comes with recommendations from some well-known independent Baptist preachers, including Evangelist Dennis Corle of Revival Fires and J. Wendell Runion of International Baptist Outreach Missions. In his glowing Foreword to Stauffer’s book (which he calls a “spiritual masterpiece”), William Grady says that “this book will undoubtedly create shock waves within certain ‘camps’ of fundamentalism...” I doubt that the book will create shock waves within any camps, but it probably will create heretical shock waves in some individual lives and churches.
...
Stauffer’s expanded third edition (2006) slightly modifies a few of these things, but it presents the same type of hyper-dispensationalism. He does not renounce anything he taught in previous editions. To me, his chief error is three-fold. First, his error is in allotting the book of Acts and the General Epistles to a dispensation different from the church age.

There is natural division even within the book of Acts simply from the fact that Acts is a Transitional book. It starts out with Peter and it finishes with Paul.

Second, Stauffer’s error is in setting up Paul as THE spokesman for the church and in contradiction to Peter and the other apostles and prophets who wrote the New Testament. He says, “God’s specific directions for the Church are found predominantly in the thirteen epistles that God used Paul to pen for the Church” (p. 22). While we know that Paul holds a unique place as the apostle of the Gentiles and he was given some wonderful revelations of church truth, he was not the only apostle who wrote for the churches, the non-Pauline New Testament epistles are as much for the Church as Paul’s are, Paul’s revelations in no way contradict those of the General Epistles, and he did not preach a different gospel from the others.

Paul is the apostle of the Gentiles (Rom. 11:13, 1 Tim. 2:7 & 2 Tim. 1:11).


13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. - Romans 11:13-16 (King James Bible)



7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. - 1 Timothy 2:7 (King James Bible)



11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles. - 2 Timothy 1:11 (King James Bible)


Peter was given the apostleship of the circumcision (Galatians 2:8), and the gospel of the circumcision was committed unto Peter (Galatians 2:7).


Praus, you have to deal with the Scriptures. You need to deal with what the Scriptures teach.


Furthermore, brother Doug Stauffer has stated a several times that he knows that there is a lot in the book of Hebrews that can be applied to the Church Age for instruction in righteousness. But when it comes to Doctrine, most of it should come from the Pauline Epistles.


Brother Doug Stauffer has done two teachings and studies on the book of Hebrews. He covers each verse of the book of Hebrews in his teaching.


He also understands that there are things in James, 1 Peter and some of the other General Epistles which can have an application to the Church Age for instruction in righteousness. But when it comes to Doctrine though, you have to be careful because the General Epistles are mainly pointed at the Jews.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Zone, if a person preached a Gospel of Salvation by faith and works for today, then yes, that would be serious error and heresy.

But if that person is making a point that salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble (which is the next dispensation after the Church Age), will be both faith AND works, then that person is just being dispensational. Understanding what the Bible teaches.

Real bible (KJV)
Galations 1:8 - 9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Dispensational bible (KJHV, H for heresy, in bold)
Galations 1:8 - 9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed (unless we're in the next dispensation. Then of course, it's okay!) As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed (but again, regarding this dispensation. Next dispensation, all bets are off.).