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When have I ever condemned anyone who doesn't agree with me? I will correct, I will give evidence, from the bible, theologians , logic, common sense, yeah I might ridicule sometimes with a little sarcastic wit, it's a useful debating tactic, but condemn anyone? Where did I do that exactly? I try not to. Where did I ever call you, Watchmen, "bad and mean", as you called me in a previous thread? If so I apologise.
Yet you still assume I "hate" you. I don't hate you brother I just don't want you to be like the many other loners out there I've met standing up for their own interpretations but drifting further and further away from well-established doctrines and becoming isolated.
I am neither loner or isolate, like I said I have two church families. However I will believe God over man, no matter how wee-established the doctrine is. If you can name one thing outside of Oneness vs Trinity that we disagree about the you might have a point that I am drifting form ''truth'' if not then I do not get your point.
 
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I take offinse to almost everything you say, and you have never apologized to me.
Now watchmen that's why a fellow like me starts to think that the problem is not with me, but with you, when you say "almost everything I say". That's rediculous, either an over-exaggeration of what I have said or you are a sensitive person. A fellow can't apologise for what he is not aware of, can't read your mind buddy, sorry.
 
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Now watchmen that's why a fellow like me starts to think that the problem is not with me, but with you, when you say "almost everything I say". That's rediculous, either an over-exaggeration of what I have said or you are a sensitive person. A fellow can't apologise for what he is not aware of, can't read your mind buddy, sorry.
O.K. I only take offense with a lot of what you say....lol.... is that better. I do not need an apology.


You be blessed :)
 
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I am neither loner or isolate, like I said I have two church families. However I will believe God over man, no matter how wee-established the doctrine is. If you can name one thing outside of Oneness vs Trinity that we disagree about the you might have a point that I am drifting form ''truth'' if not then I do not get your point.
Depends how long you've believed like this. You haven't drifted yet then but it's a possibility.
Private bible interpretation is ok but it can lead to everyone believing subjective truths that differ from one another. I've encountered quite a few "remnant" groups within christianity who all think themselves to be in the right, but compare them to one another and they are unlike each other. A dogmatic "my interpretation is right and everyone else is wrong because GOD TOLD ME SO" is not a wise approach. It's the catch cry for every modern day church movement neo-pentecostal, neo-evangelical, or whatever it be. We need to be accountable in our beliefs to a wider church family. There has to be a line drawn in the sand somewhere over what is heresy and what isn't. For 1700 years that line was drawn with the Nicene creed. I personally don't agree with everything in the Trinity -it's a bit simplistic. But then again, it's more peoples interpretations of it that I disagree with than the creed itself. That doesn't mean I jump into the Oneness camp and then have more in common with a JW than a fellow presbyterian.
 
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Depends how long you've believed like this. You haven't drifted yet then but it's a possibility.
Private bible interpretation is ok but it can lead to everyone believing subjective truths that differ from one another.
This is not exactly a ''private'' interpretation, there is actually a very large minority with in the church that believes Oneness, and when you here many trinitarians explain what they believe about the God head they are either Oneness, modalist, or polythiest. Very few actually describe what you would accept as traditional trinitarianism.
 
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This is not exactly a ''private'' interpretation, there is actually a very large minority with in the church that believes Oneness, and when you here many trinitarians explain what they believe about the God head they are either Oneness, modalist, or polythiest. Very few actually describe what you would accept as traditional trinitarianism.
Just remember we're in the last days and any deviation from sound doctrine that was established over the past so many hundred years, is suspect. Yeah and I include the protestant reformation in that too, i'm a bit of a traditionalist, because for a few years I believed in the sort of whishy washy airy fairy neo-pentecostal jargon and it got me nowhere except confused !!
 
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I've encountered quite a few "remnant" groups within christianity .
I am not a part of any remnant group. My church is a ''Church of God'' One of the largest pentecostal denoms in America, and they by no means believe they are the only ones going to heaven. I am a part of the true remnant. Those within the ''church'' who are truly serving Christ as the Bible says we must. There are true believers within every denomination, it is not a group of isolated nuts that think their way is the only way. Jesus Christ is the way.... The truth and the life.
 
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Sorry i'm a bit confused:

You said:

I am not a part of any remnant group.
Then said:

I am a part of the true remnant.

Yes of course there are true vs false in every denomination, tares and wheat. What worries me is the groups that appear within perfectly fine and sound denominations and stray contrary to established doctrine.
 
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A ''remnant group'' is usually a cult outside of christianity that believes they are the only way (their are trinitarians remnant cults like the Church of Christ, and Oneness remnant cults like those that think anyone not baptized in Jesus name instead of the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). The true remnant are the wheat within the tares, and God refers to them as the remnant because they are few.

Matthew 7
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 
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I also know scripture teaches not to judge who is part or who isn't part of the remnant. The thing is, you don't know a person's heart. You can only engage them with their doctrine.
 
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I also know scripture teaches not to judge who is part or who isn't part of the remnant. The thing is, you don't know a person's heart. You can only engage them with their doctrine.
I have never pointed at an individual and arbitrarily declared them not part of the remnant of true believers. However even though we do not know hearts we can see fruit and that is who Jesus told us we would know who is who.
 
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. I personally don't agree with everything in the Trinity -it's a bit simplistic. But then again, it's more peoples interpretations of it that I disagree with than the creed itself. That doesn't mean I jump into the Oneness camp and then have more in common with a JW than a fellow presbyterian.
This is absolutely untrue. I have nothing at all in common with JWs, and I am not to sure about precyterians either. However my beliefs are much more in line with trinitarians and basic christianity than anything the JWs teach. Such a statement is a hyperbole to diminish a belief instead of understanding it.
 
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Well if we both had a look at our own fruit first instead of picking on each others, I guess we'll be a lot happier :).
 
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my beliefs are much more in line with trinitarians and basic christianity than anything the JWs teach.
You're a closet Trinitarian in a Oneness wrapper aren't you? :) Just kidding. Yeah I know but JWs disagree with the Trinity too. Most heretical sects do.
 
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Well if we both had a look at our own fruit first instead of picking on each others, I guess we'll be a lot happier :).
I look in the mirror every day and repent. I do my best to walk in the Spirit and not in my flesh all day everyday. I haven't been able to accomplish this yet, but I trust God will perfect before it is all said and done :)
 
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You're a closet Trinitarian in a Oneness wrapper aren't you? :) Just kidding. Yeah I know but JWs disagree with the Trinity too. Most heretical sects do.
It is true that JWs reject the trinity and they go to far to the oneness side even denying the deity of Christ, and the mormons go to far to the opposite teaching what some ultra trinitarian actually believe as well, that Jesus and the Father are separate gods. That doesn't mean that trinitarians have more in common with the mormons that the Oneness believer.
 
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By the way for the record the remark about Oprah not being a true Christian because she stops at Walmart was a joke considering it seemed let's attack Oprah season was open, but has led to an interesting discussion on corporate greed. If you seriously think I would be so stupid to declare that where a person shops is a measure of their Christianity it just shows you what type of person you are in finding anyway you can to discredit me and what I say. That's directed at you Semzias.
 
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Now Oprah could easily shop at a local store and get some business in for the little guy on her program but no it has to be big corporations. Although I suppose by her standards she thinks doing a home makeover with Walmart is like scrounging through the garbage and recycle bin.
 
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For the record, whenever you call me an "unbeliever" or say that im "lost" and tell me to repent, THAT is arrogance, self righteousness and condescension. you say you speak the truth in love, you dont know the first thing about me, you dont know the truth, but you assume you do, fools mistake. I could be a fully ordained minister, a youth pastor at a big church, or a christian couples counselor. you dont know. no little snail, i dont need to try to find a way to discredit you. you discredit yourself with every pompous word you say, every foolish assumption you make. you want some words of wisdom? you want a contribution? ok here you go. stop making assumptions. stop calling ppl "lost" if they disagree with whatever ridiculous little doctrine that your obsessed with. it is ppl like you who repel ppl from christianity. your more concerned for this silly battle of egos going on here. trying desperately to prove watchmen a heretic. for that, you should repent and try to think bigger. grow up. thats directed at you mahoganysnail.