What Laws are still valid to christians
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Christ did do it all at the Cross.
The sin issue has been dealt with.
There is no more sacrifice for sins; it is finished.
Forgiveness has been given to all men:
Romans 5:17
17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
John 3:16-18
16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
2 Corinthians 5:18-19
18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
That's where the Great Commission and we as ambassadors of the Gospel come in:
2 Corinthians 5:20-21
20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Forgiveness is only part of the Gospel; in receiving that forgiveness, we then receive the Gift of Righteousness, are sealed with the Holy Spirit, and
Galatians 2:20b
The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
And bringing it back 'round to the OP, the Law is not based on faith (Gal. 3:12).
-JGIG
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To JGIG, Please learn to be CAREFUL with your WORDS, You CONTRADICT your self and send the wrong message. Words have specific meanings. If Christ has done "all" at the cross, THEN there is nothing more needed, ALL are SAVED< UNIVERSALISM>! NO WAY! IF 'Forgiveness has been "GIVEN" to all men", THEN ALL are saved.! NO WAY! PLEASE , listen to the verses you used: keping them in context. ALL of the verses you used are CONDTIONAL, they are ONLY PROVISIONAL; The sinner MUST receive what Jesus has PROVIDED for them. To be saved, Jesus must be RECEIVED by the sinner.Love to all , Hoffco
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Rom.5:17 "Those who RECEIVE God's abundant PROVISION" ( PROVISIONAL< must be RECEVIED)
Jh. 3:16-21 "whoever BELIEVES" (PROVISIONAL, must be BELIEVED= Repent, Trust and Obey)
2Cor.5:18-21 God has made(PROVIDED reconciliation) We have the "ministry of reconciliation" We preach, "we implore you on Christ's behalf, BE RECONCILED to God." GOD now opens the hearts of sinners to come to Christ and BE reconcilied to God, NOW, NOT ON THE CROSS> This is not"nit-picking" this is "rightly" understanding the
words of the Bible.! Love to all. Hoffco
Jh. 3:16-21 "whoever BELIEVES" (PROVISIONAL, must be BELIEVED= Repent, Trust and Obey)
2Cor.5:18-21 God has made(PROVIDED reconciliation) We have the "ministry of reconciliation" We preach, "we implore you on Christ's behalf, BE RECONCILED to God." GOD now opens the hearts of sinners to come to Christ and BE reconcilied to God, NOW, NOT ON THE CROSS> This is not"nit-picking" this is "rightly" understanding the
words of the Bible.! Love to all. Hoffco
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Gal. 2:20 put it very clear: I LIVE by the FAITH of Jesus. Jesus is not living His life thru me, He is inpowering me to LIVE the Christ life today. We are the SALT and LIGHT to the world for God,and if we lose our FAVOR and BRIGHTNESS ,WE are no good to God's service. He throwns us out, as unsaved OR USeless to the Kingdom. Love to all Hoffco
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The atonement was universal:
Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Salvation is only effective to those who personally RECEIVE and personally BELIEVE in that sacrifice/atonement.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
JGIG is not contradicting herself, and she is not teaching universalism.
Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Salvation is only effective to those who personally RECEIVE and personally BELIEVE in that sacrifice/atonement.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
JGIG is not contradicting herself, and she is not teaching universalism.
Of course there were laws.
Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Genesis 26:5
This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. Genesis 17:10-14
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Genesis 9:4-6
Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Genesis 26:5
This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. Genesis 17:10-14
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Genesis 9:4-6
It's clear by my posts that I’m not speaking of Universalism, here, at all. What I am saying is that all sin was dealt with at the Cross; the sins of the entire world were propitiated for by the Work of Christ:
That being the case, all do need to respond by faith to believe in the Work of Christ and receive that forgiveness and the free gift of righteousness (Romans 3:21-26, Romans 5:12-21, Romans 10:9-15).
By grace, through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), we are then positionally declared justified and righteous not because of anything we have done or ever will do beyond receiving God’s free gift of righteousness, but because of Who Jesus is, His actions as the Second Adam – His Perfect Righteousness - which is imputed to us.
-JGIG
1 John 2:2
2He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
2He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
That being the case, all do need to respond by faith to believe in the Work of Christ and receive that forgiveness and the free gift of righteousness (Romans 3:21-26, Romans 5:12-21, Romans 10:9-15).
By grace, through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), we are then positionally declared justified and righteous not because of anything we have done or ever will do beyond receiving God’s free gift of righteousness, but because of Who Jesus is, His actions as the Second Adam – His Perfect Righteousness - which is imputed to us.
-JGIG
We don't have a 'part' to 'keep' in the New Covenant. We enter in by faith, just as Abraham did.
The New Covenant is made within the Trinity; initiated by the Father, ratified with the Blood of the Son, Who administers/mediates/officiates, from a position of rest because His Work is finished [don't even start with me on that one again, as you continue to make a mountain out of a molehill] by the Son, and sealed by the Holy Spirit:
Jeremiah 31:33-34
33 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Luke 22:20
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Ephesians 1:13-14
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
And the elect are all who receive Christ; it is not that only the 'elect' will receive Christ.
And the Holy Spirit does not convict believers of sin. There is NO contextual Scripture to support that notion.
The rest of your list feeds right into the Law-keeping crowd's arguments.
In Christ, we ARE the Righteousness of God. There is no improvement on that position.
Regarding our condition in this life, while still in the flesh . . .
Titus 2:11-14
11 For the grace of God has appearedthat offers salvation to all people. 12 It [Grace] teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age,13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.
It's really not as complicated as you make it out to be.
If you're in Christ, surrendering to His Life in you, the command to love is not a 'work'; it is not something to 'be obeyed'; the command to love is FRUIT which the Spirit produces and we bear:
Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
-JGIG
The New Covenant is made within the Trinity; initiated by the Father, ratified with the Blood of the Son, Who administers/mediates/officiates, from a position of rest because His Work is finished [don't even start with me on that one again, as you continue to make a mountain out of a molehill] by the Son, and sealed by the Holy Spirit:
Jeremiah 31:33-34
33 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Luke 22:20
20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Ephesians 1:13-14
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
And the elect are all who receive Christ; it is not that only the 'elect' will receive Christ.
And the Holy Spirit does not convict believers of sin. There is NO contextual Scripture to support that notion.
John 16:8-11
8 And when he [the Holy Spirit] comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:
9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; [That's the unbelieving world.]
10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; [That's those who believe; the Holy Spirit actually convicts us of our righteousness in Christ! He always builds us up in who we are in Christ! \o/]
11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. [That's Satan, who is judged by Christ Col. 2:15.]
8 And when he [the Holy Spirit] comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:
9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; [That's the unbelieving world.]
10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; [That's those who believe; the Holy Spirit actually convicts us of our righteousness in Christ! He always builds us up in who we are in Christ! \o/]
11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. [That's Satan, who is judged by Christ Col. 2:15.]
The rest of your list feeds right into the Law-keeping crowd's arguments.
In Christ, we ARE the Righteousness of God. There is no improvement on that position.
Regarding our condition in this life, while still in the flesh . . .
Titus 2:11-14
11 For the grace of God has appearedthat offers salvation to all people. 12 It [Grace] teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age,13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.
It's really not as complicated as you make it out to be.
If you're in Christ, surrendering to His Life in you, the command to love is not a 'work'; it is not something to 'be obeyed'; the command to love is FRUIT which the Spirit produces and we bear:
Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
-JGIG
If that's what you believe, that you can live like Christ, then you're buying the same lie that Eve did in the Garden - 'and you shall be like God' (Gen 3:5).
In Christ, we cannot 'lose' our favor with God; we are sealed and 'were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.' (Eph. 1)
You are preaching a works-maintained salvation. God does not throw out His own. You may, but He never will.
I encourage you to read through the following article:
An excerpt:
What happens to Christians who stray, or follow another Jesus, another Spirit, or another gospel?This is not a hard question to answer because it happened in the Bible. The consequences of going astray are well-documented.
Yet the question is worth asking because many don’t know the answer. Or, rather, they have the wrong answer, which is this:
The bit about falling from grace is true but the rest is a big fat lie. Your heavenly Father’s discipline never takes the form of punishment – that’s old covenant thinking – and those who have been found by Jesus cannot be lost by Jesus (John 6:39).
Joseph Goebbels once said, “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”
The reason most Christians believe they can lose their salvation if they stray is because they have heard it over and over again. But it’s not actually in the Bible. It is an extra-Biblical fabrication parroted by those who would distract you from Christ and his perfect work of redemption. It is a lie that will cause you to trust yourself and your staying power instead of standing on Jesus and the eternally unshakeable foundation of his love and grace.
I’m sorry if this sounds harsh, but it’s not nearly as harsh as telling your brothers and sisters they are in danger of hellfire. And it’s not nearly as harsh as speaking guilt and condemnation over those whom Christ has justified.
As I said in my first post in this series on eternal security, reading scripture through hellfire-tinted lenses is a hallmark of the insecure believer. Such a person reveals their faith to be in themselves and their performance rather than in God and his unbreakable promises.
“So what will happen to me if I stray from the Lord?” Well, hopefully you won’t stray, but if you do, you won’t lose your salvation. It’s just not possible. But that doesn’t mean you won’t reap awful consequences.
The Bible identifies at least fourteen bad things that may happen to those who are distracted, seduced, deceived, or led astray. Each outcome is a tragedy. Each is something to avoid. I don’t want to rush through these tragic consequences so we’ll look at seven in today’s post and seven in the next.
-JGIG
In Christ, we cannot 'lose' our favor with God; we are sealed and 'were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.' (Eph. 1)
You are preaching a works-maintained salvation. God does not throw out His own. You may, but He never will.
I encourage you to read through the following article:
An excerpt:
What happens to Christians who stray, or follow another Jesus, another Spirit, or another gospel?This is not a hard question to answer because it happened in the Bible. The consequences of going astray are well-documented.
Yet the question is worth asking because many don’t know the answer. Or, rather, they have the wrong answer, which is this:
What happens when Christians stray? Why, they fall from grace prompting a loving God to discipline them with punishment. If they don’t repent they’ll lose their salvation and be eternally condemned.
The bit about falling from grace is true but the rest is a big fat lie. Your heavenly Father’s discipline never takes the form of punishment – that’s old covenant thinking – and those who have been found by Jesus cannot be lost by Jesus (John 6:39).
Joseph Goebbels once said, “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”
The reason most Christians believe they can lose their salvation if they stray is because they have heard it over and over again. But it’s not actually in the Bible. It is an extra-Biblical fabrication parroted by those who would distract you from Christ and his perfect work of redemption. It is a lie that will cause you to trust yourself and your staying power instead of standing on Jesus and the eternally unshakeable foundation of his love and grace.
I’m sorry if this sounds harsh, but it’s not nearly as harsh as telling your brothers and sisters they are in danger of hellfire. And it’s not nearly as harsh as speaking guilt and condemnation over those whom Christ has justified.
As I said in my first post in this series on eternal security, reading scripture through hellfire-tinted lenses is a hallmark of the insecure believer. Such a person reveals their faith to be in themselves and their performance rather than in God and his unbreakable promises.
“So what will happen to me if I stray from the Lord?” Well, hopefully you won’t stray, but if you do, you won’t lose your salvation. It’s just not possible. But that doesn’t mean you won’t reap awful consequences.
The Bible identifies at least fourteen bad things that may happen to those who are distracted, seduced, deceived, or led astray. Each outcome is a tragedy. Each is something to avoid. I don’t want to rush through these tragic consequences so we’ll look at seven in today’s post and seven in the next.
-JGIG
. Wife to a good man and mom to seven way-cool children
Again, it comes down to which covenant folks were under at the time:
Abraham was under a covenant of Grace, so even though he obeyed God's instructions, when he disobeyed (and we know that he did!), sin was not imputed to him.
Those under the Mosaic Covenant, a covenant of Law, when they disobeyed, sin was imputed and judgement came.
For those who are in Christ, we are also under a covenant of Grace, and when we sin, it is not imputed to us.
-JGIG
Abraham was under a covenant of Grace, so even though he obeyed God's instructions, when he disobeyed (and we know that he did!), sin was not imputed to him.
Those under the Mosaic Covenant, a covenant of Law, when they disobeyed, sin was imputed and judgement came.
For those who are in Christ, we are also under a covenant of Grace, and when we sin, it is not imputed to us.
Romans 4:15
15 For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.
Romans 5:13
13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.
15 For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.
Romans 5:13
13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.
-JGIG
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I'm in coercion with jgig simply for believing she is telling the truth? How ridiculous but no matter what truths are explained you simply never ever accept them bt try and interweave or divert? The points she makes resonate with me il make no apologies of that nature? Sister is talking sense in context in truth should I refute these facts to please others? Heaven forbid? Well written jgig we appreciate your input ?,,,,