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one Baptism that came after John, that is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost done by God the Father after the cross, as a matter of fact 50 days after the resurrection, 10 days after his ascension, the Holy Ghost came upon the disciples and they preached truth to those there in there language and where born again in reception of the Holy Spirit of God as soon as they believed, before any water Baptism. And as well it is shown as truth in Acts where Peter preached to the Gentiles and they received the Holy Ghost of God before any water Baptism, even though they were water Baptized afterwards.
So if they were not water Baptized, would God have withdrawn that free gift that they already had?
And later as peter was telling others of this event he remembered about the difference he was told of, water Baptism and Holy Ghost Baptism are two different Baptism's, and it matters not which way it is sliced, diced and or cubed, they are not the same
Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Water Baptism is none other that a good conscious to God, not the washing away of sins
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
So if they were not water Baptized, would God have withdrawn that free gift that they already had?
And later as peter was telling others of this event he remembered about the difference he was told of, water Baptism and Holy Ghost Baptism are two different Baptism's, and it matters not which way it is sliced, diced and or cubed, they are not the same
Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Water Baptism is none other that a good conscious to God, not the washing away of sins
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Not the removal of flesh, a good conscious towards God and is used today to become members, Ludicrous, a man made Faith to work out ones own salvation with fear and trembling when the next verse states for it is God that worketh in us to his good and perfect will. I agree to first want to know God, after ask God to show us truth and be set free to be in God through Son's finished work
[h=3]Philippians 2:12-13[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
[h=3]Philippians 2:12-13[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
'Furthermore, Jesus said, "He who believes and is baptized shall be saved; he who believes not shall be damned" (Mark 16:16). According to Jesus, ANYONE who does not believe in Him will be damned. Jesus makes no exception for infants. Babies will not be saved without faith in Jesus. Parents who think they are placing their children under God's grace by "dedicating" them are deceiving themselves. The only dedication that the New Testament knows of is the "dedication" that take place via baptism. That is why infants should be baptized. Like everyone else, they desperately need forgiveness. If infants die before they believe in Jesus, they will be eternally condemned. They, like everyone else, need to be baptized so that they can be born again. Jesus said, "unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God" (John 3:5). We believe that baptism is God's special means of grace for children by which He causes them to be born again. To keep them from baptism is to keep them from forgiveness and to endanger them with damnation.'
III - Baptism Replaces Circumcision
'God's covenant with Abraham (Genesis 17:10-14) demanded that every male child was to be circumcised when eight days old. By circumcision, the baby entered into a covenant relationship with the true God.
St. Paul teaches us that in the New Testament baptism has replaced circumcision. "In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism . . ." (Col. 2:11-12).
Given this fact, it would have been natural for first century Jewish believers to baptize infants, since they were accustomed to circumcise their male children at eight days old. It is also logical that if God regarded eight day old male babies as members of His covenant people through circumcision, He will also regard newborn babies to be members of His kingdom through baptism, the "circumcision made without hands." '
ARE THERE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS?
'Furthermore, Jesus said, "He who believes and is baptized shall be saved; he who believes not shall be damned" (Mark 16:16). According to Jesus, ANYONE who does not believe in Him will be damned. Jesus makes no exception for infants. Babies will not be saved without faith in Jesus. Parents who think they are placing their children under God's grace by "dedicating" them are deceiving themselves. The only dedication that the New Testament knows of is the "dedication" that take place via baptism. That is why infants should be baptized. Like everyone else, they desperately need forgiveness. If infants die before they believe in Jesus, they will be eternally condemned. They, like everyone else, need to be baptized so that they can be born again. Jesus said, "unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God" (John 3:5). We believe that baptism is God's special means of grace for children by which He causes them to be born again. To keep them from baptism is to keep them from forgiveness and to endanger them with damnation.'
III - Baptism Replaces Circumcision
'God's covenant with Abraham (Genesis 17:10-14) demanded that every male child was to be circumcised when eight days old. By circumcision, the baby entered into a covenant relationship with the true God.
St. Paul teaches us that in the New Testament baptism has replaced circumcision. "In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism . . ." (Col. 2:11-12).
Given this fact, it would have been natural for first century Jewish believers to baptize infants, since they were accustomed to circumcise their male children at eight days old. It is also logical that if God regarded eight day old male babies as members of His covenant people through circumcision, He will also regard newborn babies to be members of His kingdom through baptism, the "circumcision made without hands." '
ARE THERE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS?
To answer the first part no. I have moved 8 times since I was baptized the second time (Well over 30 years ago)[HR][/HR]
I believe thus
Romans 6
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death ? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Galatians 3
So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Acts 22
4 “Then he said: ‘The God of our ancestors has chosen you to know his will and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from his mouth. 15 You will be his witness to all people of what you have seen and heard. 16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’
There is a work in baptism not of my doing but a work of God by faith. The word says it's for a washing of our sins,we clothed with Christ in baptism,we are buried with Christ through baptism and one can NOT leave that out. Again the Bible clearly states it is far more then just an outward sign of an inward change.
I believe thus
Romans 6
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death ? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Galatians 3
So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Acts 22
4 “Then he said: ‘The God of our ancestors has chosen you to know his will and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from his mouth. 15 You will be his witness to all people of what you have seen and heard. 16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’
There is a work in baptism not of my doing but a work of God by faith. The word says it's for a washing of our sins,we clothed with Christ in baptism,we are buried with Christ through baptism and one can NOT leave that out. Again the Bible clearly states it is far more then just an outward sign of an inward change.
That's the way catholics believe, so it must be right.
The question is isn't it true that God had eight day old males who could NOT understand what circumcision meant,or could NOT speak themselves or if a family came outside where the boys also could not speak for themselves that all the males were circumcise even though they could NOT speak on their behalf?
But you can not leave out that the Old covenant was types and shadows of the New covenant. And if Paul's understanding that circumcision was a type and shadow of baptisim,why would they NOT include children who could not speak for themselves when that was the pattern and type in the Old,that children who could not speak for themselves?
And the other thing that would with this Can you show anywhere where they excluded anyone because of age? When Luke speaks of entire households being baptized does that include all just as he said or did they actually exclude some? Can you show me from scripture that anywhere that any said anything about age?
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The Doctrine of Baptism
by Dr. Martin R. DeHann (1891-1965)
by Dr. Martin R. DeHann (1891-1965)
Is Water Baptism Necessary for Salvation?
We do not believe that water baptism adds one thing to our salvation. We are saved by grace and grace alone. It is the command of the Lord for us to testify to our identification in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ by being baptized. It is, as far as salvation is concerned, entirely a matter of personal light. if one believes that he should not be baptized, he would, of course, be a hypocrite if he submitted to it. However, if we believe it is for us, we would be displeasing the Lord if we did not do it. The important thing is that we can continue to love one another even though we do not agree on all points in this matter.
Should All Believers Be Baptized?
Yes, we believe it is the duty of every believer to submit to baptism, not as a matter of salvation, but as a matter of obedience. There is no baptism by sprinkling in the Bible. It is always (as the original Greek indicates) by immersion. Water baptism has nothing to do with our salvation, but I do believe it becomes the Christian's duty to submit to it.
Do You Believe That Infants Should Be Baptized?
We believe that baptism must follow conversion. Regarding children, I believe it is good to dedicate infants and children to the Lord, but dedication is not baptism. Dedication is the act of the parent, in which he presents his child to God and assumes responsibility for the training of that child for Him. Baptism, however, is the act of the believer himself, in which he confesses faith in the Lord Jesus who “died for ours sins and rose again for our justification.” ...
Is Infant Baptism Taught in the Bible?
I was born and raised in a church which taught and practiced infant baptism and was the pastor of such a church for four years. Carefully studying my Bible, I found that infant baptism is nowhere taught or even suggested in the Scriptures. It is a doctrine of the church which is certainly not founded upon the Word of God, but is a remnant of Roman Catholicism. There is not a single clear instance of it in the Bible, and no trace of it until three hundred years after Pentecost. It is a wholly unscriptural doctrine of man. I would suggest that you limit your studies more to the Scriptures rather than the doctrinal standards of the church.
Is the Doctrine of Baptismal Regeneration Scriptural?
Regarding your question, Acts 2:38 and Acts 22:16 do not teach baptismal regeneration. You will notice in Acts 2:38 that repentance is mentioned first. Christ and His apostles taught that baptism with water is an ordinance to be obeyed as an outward testimony of an inward change of heart, but they did not teach that one must be baptized in order to be saved. In Acts 22:16 that passage has nothing to do with the matter of water taking away sin. The testimony of Paul is here to give witness to the fact that his sins have been washed away. The literal rendering of this passage is generally accepted as “Now why tarriest thou? Arise and be baptized as thy sins are washed away, calling on the Name of the Lord.” The thief on the cross never was baptized. Please note Mark 16:16. This text does not say, “He that is not baptized shall be damned (or condemned),” but only “He that believeth not.”
Does the Word “Water” in John 3:5 Mean Baptism? (see note below)
The word, “water,” in John 3:5 refers to the Word of God. This is very clear from the following Scriptures: I Peter 1:23-24; Ephesians 5:26; John 17:17; and Titus 3:5. Symbolically in Scripture “water” speaks of the “Word of God,” and the teaching of John 3:5 is that we are saved by the Spirit's application of the Word of God to our hearts. See I John 5:10. The same is true of John 19:34.
[Note by David J. Stewart, webservant of Jesus-is-Savior.com: I tremendously respect Dr. DeHaan's knowledge of the Bible, but I differ with his opinion about the meaning of “water” in John 3:5. I want to give the reader both opinions so you can pray in your heart and decide for yourself. I believe that the word “water” refers to the physical birth, that is, the flesh. I think this is very clear from what Jesus said in John 3:6,“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” The Lord contrasts the physical birth to the spiritual birth, which I think clearly evidences the meaning of “water” in John 3:5.]
Is the Lutheran Teaching of Baptism Scriptural?
I have read very carefully what you had to say concerning the Lutheran teaching of baptism. The teaching of baptismal regeneration as taught by the Catholic and Lutheran churches is a denial of the doctrine of salvation by grace.
Who Should Be Baptized?
In regard to your question concerning baptism, let me repeat that water baptism is not a saving ordinance, but rather a blessed privilege on the part of God's children as a testimony for Him. It is a privilege rather than a command. In regard to I Corinthians 1:14, please note that Paul definitely states that he did baptize some of the Corinthians, but because they made it such an issue, he was thankful that he did not baptize any more of them. I believe that a man must follow the leading of the Holy Spirit in these matters. If God convicts us of the need of baptism, we are disobedient if we refuse. However, I do not believe that anyone should be baptized who does not fully desire in this way to witness for the Lord Jesus Christ. Throughout the book of Acts, both Jews and Gentiles were baptized as a testimony to their identification to Christ. One can be saved without baptism, but to refuse to be baptized makes one a disobedient believer.
Who Can Perform Baptism?
From the Scripture, there is no reason whatsoever to believe that a special clergyman or preacher must perform baptism. Any born-again believer has the right to baptize another. For the sake of order, I suppose the other method, limiting the right to a certain class, was adopted. ...
I Was Sprinkled As an Infant. Is it All Right for Me to Be Re-Baptized by Immersion?
In regard to your question concerning your re-baptism, I can understand your predicament quite thoroughly, since I too was brought up with a similar church background. I too was sprinkled as an infant, and then later the Lord saved my soul and showed me the truth about Bible baptism. I was re-baptized by immersion as my testimony of personal faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Sprinkling is not baptism, and since I considered my so-called infant baptism as merely a dedication, I felt I must submit to immersion after I was saved. We do not believe that baptism adds to our salvation, or makes us fit for heaven. It is only our own personal testimony, and so all I can say is, you just follow the leading of the Lord and do as He convicts you. As far as I personally was concerned, I was re-baptized, but I am the last one to try to force my own convictions upon someone else. ...
Please Explain the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and Tongues To Me.
In regard to your question concerning the baptism of the Holy Spirit, we believe that every believer when he accepts the Lord Jesus Christ receives the baptism in the Holy Spirit and needs nothing more, except to grow in grace and in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. I do not believe that the gift of tongues is for this present dispensation, and therefore, if we ask for more than just God's promise, we are asking for something with which the Lord is not pleased. I believe that there are many sincere people who believe in the work of “baptism” in the Holy Spirit and tongues, but I also believe that they are wrong, and not in harmony with the clear revelation of the Word of God.
The following information is quoted from page 53 of the excellent work by Dr. M.R. DeHann, titled 508 ANSWERS TO BIBLE QUESTIONS (copyright 1952)...
Why Was Christ Baptized?
In regard to your question concerning the baptism of Christ, the Scripture says this was done to fulfill all righteousness. It was to identify Himself with the people whom He came to save that Christ was baptized, although He had no sin. It was His declaration of willingness to go through death and resurrection for His people.
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Why were you baptized twice? Where you baptized as an infant and then by water immersion in the name of Jesus Christ after you believed in the cross of Christ? The point is this, why did you get baptized and was it your choice to do so because of conviction and your desire to please the Lord with obedience to his mandate as a Christian? Did God do something in you when he saved you that gave you a desire to become a disciple and follower of Christ which led you to be baptized by water immersion? Perhaps you could explain that and give the scriptures for your decision to do so?