The Importance of Rightly Dividing the word of Truth

[BradC]

Brad,Can you please explain why then if you go by the people who are against Zone will rarely speak against the errors of each other,but yet almost all will combine forces to stand against her? Why is that Brad? Can you explain that oddity? Should that even be?

No one is combining forces against Zone, she afflicts and brings it all on her self, no real surprise there. She has a propensity for that kind of thing and most speak to her individually. She can dish it out and then some, but she has no capacity to take the heat when it comes down to her sacred cows, which are many, because of her false premise and frame of reference. Therefore she is in opposition to so much and hates the thought of considering anything else. She refuses to be won back to these doctrines that she is now against because of the wounds of the past. Ponder this and realize that you and I do not know the extent of how wounds can effect people and plan a role in relationships.

Prov 18:19 A brother (or sister) offended is harder to be won over than a strong city, and [their] contentions separate them like the bars of a castle.

 

[SarahM777]

No one is combining forces against Zone, she afflicts and brings it all on her self, no real surprise there. She has a propensity for that kind of thing and most speak to her individually. She can dish it out and then some, but she has no capacity to take the heat when it comes down to her sacred cows, which are many, because of her false premise and frame of reference. Therefore she is in opposition to so much and hates the thought of considering anything else. She refuses to be won back to these doctrines that she is now against because of the wounds of the past. Ponder this and realize that you and I do not know the extent of how wounds can effect people and plan a role in relationships.

Prov 18:19 A brother (or sister) offended is harder to be won over than a strong city, and [their] contentions separate them like the bars of a castle.

Go back and read what what I said at the very beginning of that post. You ignored that part.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

HOW TO NOT UNDERSTAND Re: The Importance of Rightly Dividing the word of Truth

HyperDispo 21
The Parable of the Wicked Tenants
Therefore the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof......but then that nation will be raptured away for 7 years, and then the kingdom of God will be given back you in earthly Jerusalem after the Mystery Gap Church Dispensation is over.

uh...no.
wrong

69 weeks of prophecy concerning the vision which Daniel was given: (Dan. 9:24-27), have already been fulfilled.

There is just one week left concerning the vision and Prophecy of Daniel.

The Gap between the 69th and 70th week is the mystery of the Church. Also known as the Mystery of the one Body.

Once the body of Christ (the Church) is removed, God will be dealing with the Nation of Israel again (Jermiah 30), in Daniel's 70th Week.

 

[zone]

69 weeks of prophecy concerning the vision which Daniel was given: (Dan. 9:24-27), have already been fulfilled.

There is just one week left concerning the vision and Prophecy of Daniel.

The Gap between the 69th and 70th week is the mystery of the Church. Also known as the Mystery of the one Body.

Once the body of Christ (the Church) is removed, God will be dealing with the Nation of Israel again (Jermiah 30), in Daniel's 70th Week.

what can i say about this?
if it wasn't so serious (Rev 22) it would be hilarious.
Chosen exactly none (0) of that scenario is Biblical.
take out the gaps.

the gaps make a different gospel and different christ.
really. honestly.

 

[BradC]

69 weeks of prophecy concerning the vision which Daniel was given: (Dan. 9:24-27), have already been fulfilled.

There is just one week left concerning the vision and Prophecy of Daniel.

The Gap between the 69th and 70th week is the mystery of the Church. Also known as the Mystery of the one Body.

Once the body of Christ (the Church) is removed, God will be dealing with the Nation of Israel again (Jermiah 30), in Daniel's 70th Week.

There is only two reasons that a professing Christian will not believe or understand this mystery of Christ and the church (Eph 3:4,9). They are either blinded through spiritual pride with knowledge that has puffed them up knowing nothing as they ought to know because of a false premise (1Cor 8:1,2) or they do not have the Spirit of truth in them. People profess the name of Christ all the time but do not have the Spirit and if they do not have the Spirit they are none of His (Rom 8:9). God would not acknowledge their profession of Christ because that profession can only be done by the Spirit in them (1 Cor 2:10, 6:11, 12:3, 2 Cor 3:3).

 

[zone]

“THE CHURCH AGE AS A PARENTHESIS: One of the important questions raised by the amillenarians is whether the present age is predicted in the Old Testament. This they confidently affirm and find the kingdom promises fulfilled in the present church age. Premillenarians have not always given a clear answer to the amillennial position. While dispensationalists have regarded the present age as a parenthesis unexpected and without specific prediction in the Old Testament, some premillenarians have tended to strike a compromise interpretation in which part of the Old Testament predictions are fulfilled now and part in the future. In some cases they have conceded so much to the amillenarians that for all practical purposes they have surrendered premillennialism as well. It is the purpose of the present investigation to show the reasonableness and Scriptural support of the parenthesis concept.”
- The Millennial Kingdom: A Basic Text in Premillennial Theology, John F. Walvoord, p 227, 1983 AD

"Nothing could be plainer to one reading the O.T. than the foreview herein proved did NOT PREDICT a period of time between the two advents”
- The Millennial Kingdom: A Basic Text in Premillennial Theology, John F. Walvoord, p 228, 1983 AD

“The prophetic foreview of Daniel 2 in Nebuchadnezzar’s image and the fourth beast of Daniel 7:23-27 likewise ignores the present age. ”
- The Millennial Kingdom: A Basic Text in Premillennial Theology, John F. Walvoord, p 228, 1983 AD

“The ultimate proof of the teaching that the present age is a parenthesis is in the positive revelation concerning the church as the body of Christ, the study of which will be undertaken next. The evidence for a parenthesis in the present age interrupting God’s predicted program for Jew and Gentile as revealed in the Old Testament is extensive, however. The evidence if interpreted literally leads inevitably to the parenthesis doctrine. The kingdom predictions of the Old Testament do not conform to the pattern of this present age. … Those among the premillennial group who see clearly the issues involved would do well to divorce themselves from the amillennial method in dealing with the prophetic word, and interpret the prophecies of the Old Testament in relation to the millennium rather than the present age. ”
- The Millennial Kingdom: A Basic Text in Premillennial Theology, John F. Walvoord, p 230, 1983 AD

FANTASY
FOLLY
CHILDISH
NOT CHRISTIANITY

 

[ChosenbyHim]

hi Chosen:

could you rightly divide the word of truth concerning something paul said,please?

what did paul mean here (in reference to the Dispensation of Grace (Church Age):

1 Corinthians 7
13If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. 14For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

is this Covenant language?

13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. - 1 Corinthians 7:13-14 (Holy Bible)


I believe this passage is teaching a very unique truth here Zone. And that is this. When a man and woman get married, we know from Scripture they two become one flesh. Therefore; even though a wife may have a lost husband, the fact that the wife is saved and her husband's flesh is joined to her flesh, she sanctifies her husband. And therefore because her husband is sanctified by her, their children (the children she has) are also santicified and are made holy.


That's what I believe that the Holy Scriptures are saying here.

hmm....the children of a believer & and unbeliever - who is made holy (consecrated) by the believer - their children are not "unclean" but are holy (consecrated).

That is correct Zone.

Malachi 2:15
Has not the one God made you? You belong to him in body and spirit. And what does the one God seek? Godly offspring. So be on your guard, and do not be unfaithful to the wife of your youth.

dunno...you tell me.

14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the Lord hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant. 15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.16 For the Lord, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the Lord of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously. - Malachi 2:14-16 (Holy Bible)


I believe that from examining the context of this passage of Scripture, that God is saying that He hates putting away (divorce).


I think if the church today would begin to understand how much God hates divorce, that Christians would be more cautious and very careful when considering Divorce as a future option when facing difficulties within their marriage. In other words; Divorce would not be an option whatsoever, save for the cause of fornication (Matt. 5:32).

can people New Covenant people end up unfaithful?
the bible says they can.

so what's up with the children (infants) being holy? (consecrated)

Zone, when you say New Covenant people, are you referring to both Jews and Gentiles?

 

[ChosenbyHim]

um...right.

and blessed are those have part in CHRIST'S RESURRECTION the first ressurection - on THEM, the second death has no claim

Romans 6
We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Ephesians 2:6
5even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus

so that leaves THE RESURRECTION - of the just and the unjust...on the last day.

which is not before the rapture; at the rapture or 1,000 years after the rapture.

it's on the LAST DAY.

The first resurrection happens in 3 parts or stages.


The first stage of the 1st Resurrection was when Jesus arose the third day and the Old Testament Saints with Him (Matt. 27:52-53).


The second stage of the 1st Resurrection will happen at the Rapture; with the dead in Christ being resurrected (1 Thess. 4:16-17) to receive their new and glorified bodies (1 Cor. 15:51-55, Phil. 3:20-21)


And the final stage of the first resurrection, will take place at the end of the time of Jacob's trouble, at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (Rev. 20:4).


Therefore Zone, the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ happens at the Rapture. And the Rapture is before the time of Jacob's trouble.


And the Second Resurrection happens at the end of the Millennial Kingdom.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

God did promise that faith in Christ is salvation to those who believe. Therefore, salvation occurs before the Spirit. The Spirit is a secondary promise, given to those who are already saved.

Well LT, the moment a man or woman gets saved, is the very moment that they are sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13; 4:30).


Therefore, when a person is saved, he does not have to seek for the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Why? Because he already has the Holy Ghost dwelling in him.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

As for getting saved by works... I don't see God changing away from grace in the Tribulation Period. God says He will seal His own during that time, therefore, He will protect them from getting the Mark. It is God who will be faithful to those in the Tribulation, and if He promised that they will not get the Mark, then He will see that through.

It is the 144,000 only who receive the seal of God in their foreheads (Rev. 7:3 & 9:4)


There is faith and works in the time of Jacob's trouble:



14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. - James 2:14-26 (Holy Bible)





31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:35 for I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.- Matthew 25:31-46 (Holy Bible)

 

[ChosenbyHim]

1. Salvation has NEVER been by works.

What about Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden??

2. Salvation has ALWAYS been by grace through faith.

Again, what about Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden??

Abraham was saved by faith not works. Even David understood it was not by works, but by faith.

I am aware that Abraham was saved by Faith. Abraham was saved when he believed what God said. Abraham believed what God had told him.



15 After these things the word of the Lord came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. 2 And Abram said, Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4 And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. 5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. 6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness. - Genesis 15:1-6 (Holy Bible)




3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. - Romans 4:3 (Holy Bible)



6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. - Galatians 3:6 (Holy Bible)

3. Your teaching a different gospel. which will lead many to hell. rejecting faith alone, and trying to add works to faith is a false gospel. Even the author of hebrews understood this. the work of sacrificing animals NEVER took away sin.

No EG, I teach that the Gospel for today (the Church Age) is the Gospel of the Death, Burial, and Resurrection (1 Cor. 15:1-6). And that it is by grace through faith only (Eph. 2:8-10, Roman 4:3-5, Titus 3:5).


I just understand that the Gospel which is preached in the time of Jacob's trouble will not be the same Gospel that is preached today in the Church Age.


If you are unsure about this truth EG, then I suggest you read and study Revelation 14.


Faith AND Works will be necessary for salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble (Read James 2 and Matthew 25).

 

[ChosenbyHim]

hello chosenbyhim,how are you?



so the church age will continue till this point. remember that even though mankind may choose to replace the church with another Israel that as Paul explains from the beginning of 1cor.15 to the end the carnal is as a seed planted. the same as a small seed as if dead in the flesh,,is returned to the dust of the ground. one is corruptible and in such is dead,,,the other is raised incorruptible.

Hello there sir, I am doing fine. Thank you for asking. And how about you? How are you?


Also sir, the Church Age ends at the Rapture.


We can know this because right now in the Church Age; God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34). He makes no distinction between the Jew or Gentile right now in the Church Age (See Col. 3:11 & Gal. 3:28).

IN the Church Age, there is only One Body. With both Jews and Gentiles being in Christ.



But in the time of Jacob's trouble, God will make a distinction between the Jews and the Gentiles (See Rev. 7).


There are two bodies in the time of Jacob's trouble.

Jews (one body) and Gentiles (another body).

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Okay I have confessed that I have sinned, I also confess I could sin again, and if I do I talk to God the Father about it, and ask how to walk in truth as his son did? You see I already know by Christ's work at the cross I am 100% forgiven, whether I sin again or not. since that is truth, neither do I ever want to take advantage of being forgiven. So ever since I got past this fact that I am forgiven by the death of Christ at the cross, God the Father began teaching me how to trust and listen, hearing Father's love, that this world or flesh can't ever fathom
1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

All I am saying is I tried real hard to obey and never could, and I found out through trying really hard there was no way I could do it, crying to God and hearing the enemy saying give up ,and do not believe just act like you do as if you got it all together in your flesh. I rebuked this and continued to try, then God showed me give up and by Faith trust him to do in me what I now see clearly that I can never accomplish in self.

And oh boy what a journey since, all God and none of me anymore, I am nothing more than a vessel to be used by Father, as Father sees fit, just like as when I use a water glass as my vessel, whenever I see fit.
For as Paul said every time I try to do good, evil is right there at my door, and sometimes taking over and I end up doing what I do not want to do, sound familiar?

And Paul ends Chapter 7 of Romans with; who will save me, and the answer is Christ and Christ alone unto Father and no works of my own will ever get me there.
Finalization of the cross includes the resurrected Christ where new Life is at: a gift from God the Father of Christ, any earning after that makes Father's gift Void
No ands ifs or buts brother, Love you and all deeply

Yep Homwardbound, we are to trust the Father and seek to do His will daily with the Help of the Holy Spirit.

And yes, the sacrifice that Jesus made at Calvary was and is enough for our salvation.

No works of ours can save us. It is only the precious blood of our Lord Jesus Christ which could save us, and which has saved us. Glory be to God Almighty. Amen


Love you too sir in Christ. Blessings.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Do you not know that in the original text Church is not there. that the word Church is a mistranslation from the original Greek text, the word was and is Ecclesia that has been mistranslated to the Word Church, and these two different words have not the same meaning. And so all translations are not inerrant as you claim only one is. Regardless of these facts, a believer is considered a Believer in God through Christ period, That word Christian was never used except in Acts to make fun of Paul. Christ-like , used today as we are Christians working at salvation and claiming salvation as if you, or anyone walks as he walks outside of Faith trusting in God doing the lead not us, is the only way, no credit to me or any man or person ever. hoping you see this Brother. is all God and no one else Christ and Father are one in Spirit and we are by Faith to be the same, for only God can be worshipped in Spirit and truth, not flesh ever.

Homwardbound, how would you know what the "original text" said??


You have never seen the "original autographs" or the "original Greek text" a day in your life sir.


Church is NOT a mistranslation.

It is the right translation.


And I do have a copy of God's pure, perfect, and inerrant word. It is the King James Authorized Bible.

 

[homwardbound]

Homwardbound, how would you know what the "original text" said??


You have never seen the "original autographs" or the "original Greek text" a day in your life sir.


Church is NOT a mistranslation.

It is the right translation.


And I do have a copy of God's pure, perfect, and inerrant word. It is the King James Authorized Bible.

What does the word Church mean in Greek? Building
What does the word Ecclesia mean in Greek? Called out ones

What was Stephen stoned to death for? Saying God does not live in buildings
so was Stephen a called out one? Ecclesia called out to where Heaven as a Citizen or earth as a building?
Thanks for your other post as we both grow together in truth sifting all each other says through God the Father that loves us to lead us.
provided we decide daily to get out of the way and be dead to self with Christ at the cross and be alive to God via the resurrected Christ in the Spirit the only way to serve God in truth today

1. John 4:23
   But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
   John 4:22-24 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2. John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
   John 4:23-25 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
3. John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
   John 14:16-18 (in Context) John 14 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
4. John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
   

 

[john832]

Homwardbound, how would you know what the "original text" said??


You have never seen the "original autographs" or the "original Greek text" a day in your life sir.


Church is NOT a mistranslation.

It is the right translation.


And I do have a copy of God's pure, perfect, and inerrant word. It is the King James Authorized Bible.

No one in this generation has seen the original manuscripts, they are long gone. We have copies that have been transcribed down through the years.

I like the KJV and use it a lot, but don't assume every thing in it is perfect...

Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

conversation:
G4175
πολίτευμα
politeuma
pol-it'-yoo-mah
From G4176; a community, that is, (abstractly) citizenship (figuratively): - conversation.

best translation is citizenship.

Another one...

1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

When we look at this in the Diaglott, we see...

1Jn 5:6 This is the one having come by means of water and blood, Jesus the Anointed; not by the water only, but by the water and the blood; and the spirit is the one testifying, because the spirit is the truth.
1Jn 5:7 Because three are those testifying;
1Jn 5:8 the spirit, and the water, and the blood; and the three for the one are.

And another interesting fact is that the original Greek had no punctuation. This is important in this phrase...

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Now from the Diaglott we get...

Luk 23:43 And said to him the Jesus: Indeed I say to thee to-day, with me thou shalt be in the Paradise.

 

[zone]

...


so you have 3 first resurrections.

even though the first resurrection is only mentioned in one place, one time in all of scripture.

The first resurrection happens in 3 parts or stages.


The first stage of the 1st Resurrection was when Jesus arose the third day and the Old Testament Saints with Him (Matt. 27:52-53).


The second stage of the 1st Resurrection will happen at the Rapture; with the dead in Christ being resurrected (1 Thess. 4:16-17) to receive their new and glorified bodies (1 Cor. 15:51-55, Phil. 3:20-21)


And the final stage of the first resurrection, will take place at the end of the time of Jacob's trouble, at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ (Rev. 20:4).


Therefore Zone, the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ happens at the Rapture. And the Rapture is before the time of Jacob's trouble.


And the Second Resurrection happens at the end of the Millennial Kingdom.

what's the chapter and verse where second resurrection is mentioned?

second resurrection
second resurrection
second resurrection

where?

 

[zone]

What does the word Church mean in Greek? Building
What does the word Ecclesia mean in Greek? Called out ones

What was Stephen stoned to death for? Saying God does not live in buildings
so was Stephen a called out one? Ecclesia called out to where Heaven as a Citizen or earth as a building?
Thanks for your other post as we both grow together in truth sifting all each other says through God the Father that loves us to lead us.

ekklésia: an assembly, a (religious) congregation
Original Word: ἐκκλησία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: ekklésia
Phonetic Spelling: (ek-klay-see'-ah)
Short Definition: an assembly, congregation, church
Definition: an assembly, congregation, church; the Church, the whole body of Christian believers.

1577 ekklēsía(from 1537 /ek, "out from and to" and 2564 /kaléō, "to call") – properly, people called out from the world and to God, the outcome being the Church (the mystical body of Christ) – i.e. the universal (total) body of believers whom God calls out from the world and into His eternal kingdom.

[The English word "church" comes from the Greek word kyriakos, "belonging to the Lord" (kyrios). 1577 /ekklēsía ("church") is the root of the terms "ecclesiology" and "ecclesiastical."]

.....

do you gather with other believers in a literal congregation; a place of worship; a place where things pertaining to the Lord are shared?

what if it rains or snows? we use buildings of some kind (tents; huts; houses; churches)...don't we
sure we do. we always have.

speaking of things belonging to The Lord:

Κυριακή

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Homwardbound, how would you know what the "original text" said??


You have never seen the "original autographs" or the "original Greek text" a day in your life sir.


Church is NOT a mistranslation.

It is the right translation.


And I do have a copy of God's pure, perfect, and inerrant word. It is the King James Authorized Bible.

Why do you keep trying to destroy threads with your idolotry?
The word church comes from the greek ekklesia (we have enough copies to know this is the true words) The word means called out ones. or an assembly.

The church is a poor translation. because if it is true, any church would be considered the true church, as apposed to those who are called out, and sent out by God. or his true family.

 

[zone]

we are to trust the Father and seek to do His will daily with the Help of the Holy Spirit.

And yes, the sacrifice that Jesus made at Calvary was and is enough for our salvation.

No works of ours can save us.

It is only the precious blood of our Lord Jesus Christ which could save us, and which has saved us.

Glory be to God Almighty. Amen

the Church Age ends at the Rapture.

We can know this because right now in the Church Age; God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34).

He makes no distinction between the Jew or Gentile right now in the Church Age (See Col. 3:11 & Gal. 3:28).

IN the Church Age, there is only One Body. With both Jews and Gentiles being in Christ.

But in the time of Jacob's trouble, God will make a distinction between the Jews and the Gentiles (See Rev. 7).

There are two bodies in the time of Jacob's trouble.

Jews (one body) and Gentiles (another body).

but this "Church Age" 'gospel':

the sacrifice that Jesus made at Calvary was and is enough for our salvation.

No works of ours can save us.

It is only the precious blood of our Lord Jesus Christ which could save us

comes to an end, God becomes a respecter of persons; and some other way of salvation begins because....

.....the Church Age ends at the Rapture.

But in the time of Jacob's trouble, God will make a distinction between the Jews and the Gentiles (See Rev. 7).

There are two bodies in the time of Jacob's trouble.

Jews (one body) and Gentiles (another body).

can you clean up this heretical mess Chosen?

where are there 2 bodies?
huh?

how do people get saved in YOUR version of Jacob's Future Trouble?

not this way:

....trust the Father and seek to do His will daily with the Help of the Holy Spirit.

....the sacrifice that Jesus made at Calvary was and is enough for.....salvation.

No works.....can save us.

It is only the precious blood of our Lord Jesus Christ which could save.

so what's the other gospel? (there is no other btw).




dispensationalists:

is ChosenbyHim preaching the Biblical gospel?

if not, what's wrong with it?