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OH, that changes everything 
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True or not true, it has no bearing on the thread, and, it's probably about the same percent as single dads raising kids.
Any way you slice it or dice it, that comment is unnecessary , not to mention, more likely than not, untrue
It definitely does not add to the discussion and does not show a Love for others as Jesus said is #2 on the list of all that the commandments hang per Matthew 22
Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[SUP]c[/SUP] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[SUP]d[/SUP] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Any way you slice it or dice it, that comment is unnecessary , not to mention, more likely than not, untrue
It definitely does not add to the discussion and does not show a Love for others as Jesus said is #2 on the list of all that the commandments hang per Matthew 22
Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[SUP]c[/SUP] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[SUP]d[/SUP] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
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True or not true, it has no bearing on the thread, and, it's probably about the same percent as single dads raising kids.
Any way you slice it or dice it, that comment is unnecessary , not to mention, more likely than not, untrue
It definitely does not add to the discussion and does not show a Love for others as Jesus said is #2 on the list of all that the commandments hang per Matthew 22
Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[SUP]c[/SUP] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[SUP]d[/SUP] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Any way you slice it or dice it, that comment is unnecessary , not to mention, more likely than not, untrue
It definitely does not add to the discussion and does not show a Love for others as Jesus said is #2 on the list of all that the commandments hang per Matthew 22
Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[SUP]c[/SUP] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[SUP]d[/SUP] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
I don't the difference. What's the answer to the difference I don't know, yet? ...but I'll get to know the difference once you tell me the answer, so what's the difference because I don't know the answer...?
Punctuated logic is much different.
There are the three rules of punctuated logic.
Rule One: The Non commutation Rule
Something that is non-commutative is directionally confined or fixed. This rule, as it applies to punctuated logic, describes the directional flow that logic takes from the invisible to the visible. Revelation moves unidirectionally. It begins in the mind of God and terminates in the world of man. Commutative interpretation of revelation on the other hand, operates according to human intelligence. Man's appraisal of material circumstances gives definition to what human experience has to say about the Word of God. We attempt to create a synthesis between what we know of our natural experiences and what the scripture says about these things. Frankly, this will never do. The problem is that our experiences do not tell us the truth about divine revelation. If we are to have a true understanding of reality, we must never start with anything in the temporal dimension whether it is the self, human intelligence, or situations. Because of the limitations of human intelligence, the threshold of the eternal cannot be breeched from the temporal side. Consequently, we must rely upon God to reach beyond the eternal horizon to project His will onto our consciousness. This he does through the revelation of scripture. Since we cannot know the mind of God by empirical observation of anything in the material world, we must seek exposure to the intelligence of God from beyond the eternal threshold. We can only know the thoughts of God when they are made known to us by God Himself. This He does through a system of representations in the form of a revealed grammar - the Bible.
In order for the revelation of God to impact the mind of man, it must be first be converted into a set of symbols on the temporal side. This is given form in at least two ways to communicate the will of God to the human mind. The linguistic form of eternal logic is scripture. The anthropomorphic form of eternal logic is Jesus in the flesh. Since the nature of scripture is non-commutative upon the human mind, we must start with the grammatical structure of the revelation if we are to have a true picture of reality. This means that we must bring the intelligence of man into a subordinate position to the will of God. Human conformity to this non commutative logic then shapes and transforms human psychology and behavior. This produces change in the way one thinks, speaks, and behaves. The Word of God allows ud to see things in our experience in ways that we could never have otherwise seen otherwise.
Rule Two: The Textual Phenomena Rule.
The text of scripture presents itself as pan temporal phenomena. Scripture is not subject to temporal or cultural considerations. It is not confined to a specific historical or cultural frame of reference. Thus, we would say that scripture is generationally equidistant as well as equicultural. This being true, we must always allow the generalizations of the text of scripture to come to bear upon the human experience of all generations and cultures.
Rule Three: The Spanning Rule.
The scientific world would have us believe that reality is confined only to those things that lend themselves to empirical observation. Scripture, on the other hand, would invite us to see reality from quite a different perspective. To understand the nature of the relationship between the eternal and the temporal we must understand that reality is triadic in structure. There is the invisible and eternal side of reality represented by God, the visible side of reality represented in Jesus, and the indexical agent of the Holy Spirit who links the two parts of reality into a singularity.
What this model shows us is that reality begins in the eternal mind of God. The will of God is then imprinted onto the material reality in the person of Jesus and the Holy Spirit links the will of God to the observable, temporal side of reality and brings the causal to bear upon the visible. This brings things in the natural world into conformity with the abstract will of God. Man's part in reality will always is accidental to the will of God because God will bring about His will even without our participation or involvement. Man's only authorized position in this picture of reality is to stand in the index position and to link the eternal reality to his experiences on the material side.
Just a point of clarification.....
You haven't presented any "Facts" regarding this argument. "Facts" are quantifiable truths that can be validated by others. You haven't proven, or cited anything. You've just given your opinion.
Which is all anyone has done regarding trends and practices in any church or denomination. No one in this thread has presented any "facts". And that's completely OK as long as people don't label their opinions or perceptions as factual.
You haven't presented any "Facts" regarding this argument. "Facts" are quantifiable truths that can be validated by others. You haven't proven, or cited anything. You've just given your opinion.
Which is all anyone has done regarding trends and practices in any church or denomination. No one in this thread has presented any "facts". And that's completely OK as long as people don't label their opinions or perceptions as factual.
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And, I'm trying to tell you that a woman who becomes a pastor after having followed the CALL of God IS leading a holy church that is producing fruit and doing things as He intended for her to do in leading His sheep.
I know, I agree, that a woman should not be FIRST choice for being in charge of anything, including church, and, she is not in charge of a marriage, the man isn't either, Christ is, but, the man (husband=man) IS to be submitted to by the woman (woman=wife) 'in everything' as Scripture states.
But, she sure is SECOND in charge, for there is NO other gender out there, that I know of, anyway Male, female, created in His likeness, in His image.
THROUGH man, sin entered the world, too, NOT women; she merely was deceived, that was her 'sin' or 'transgression' as Scripture puts it, in 1 Tim. 2:14.
But, in context, 1 Timothy 2:11-15 is speaking of a husband to a wife, this is the man and the woman spoken of, and, I agree with the biblical understanding of marriage hierarchy. Christ is head of man and man is head of woman.
But, when God calls a 'woman' to become a 'pastor' then this is NO longer speaking of a husband and wife relationship.
I know, I agree, that a woman should not be FIRST choice for being in charge of anything, including church, and, she is not in charge of a marriage, the man isn't either, Christ is, but, the man (husband=man) IS to be submitted to by the woman (woman=wife) 'in everything' as Scripture states.
But, she sure is SECOND in charge, for there is NO other gender out there, that I know of, anyway
Male, female, created in His likeness, in His image. THROUGH man, sin entered the world, too, NOT women; she merely was deceived, that was her 'sin' or 'transgression' as Scripture puts it, in 1 Tim. 2:14.
But, in context, 1 Timothy 2:11-15 is speaking of a husband to a wife, this is the man and the woman spoken of, and, I agree with the biblical understanding of marriage hierarchy. Christ is head of man and man is head of woman.
But, when God calls a 'woman' to become a 'pastor' then this is NO longer speaking of a husband and wife relationship.
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when i said facts, i was talking about single mother raising the most convicts. thats a fact. a undeniable fact.
she got sarcastic with somebody.. but her sarcasm was actually true. which is embarrassing when you try to be sarcastic with somebody but the thing you are being sarcastic about is really true...
for instance,
"hey, did you hear this guy? he said the earth rotates around the sun! HAHA!"
but the fact of the matter is, the earth DOES rotate around the sun so i guess the jokes on her.. when she said, "all kids of single mother beware!" she was being sarcastic, but yet, statistics clearly show single mothers raise the most convicts.. then she got mad and you know the rest.
she got sarcastic with somebody.. but her sarcasm was actually true. which is embarrassing when you try to be sarcastic with somebody but the thing you are being sarcastic about is really true...
for instance,
"hey, did you hear this guy? he said the earth rotates around the sun! HAHA!"
but the fact of the matter is, the earth DOES rotate around the sun so i guess the jokes on her.. when she said, "all kids of single mother beware!" she was being sarcastic, but yet, statistics clearly show single mothers raise the most convicts.. then she got mad and you know the rest.
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Yeah, if a man desires the position of Overseer in God's Church, he must:
1. Be blameless
2. Husband of one wife (not the other way around)
3. Temperate (not easily angered)
4. Sober-minded (seeks the mind of Christ)
5. have good behavior (no hanky-panky)
6. Hospitable
7. Able to teach
8. Not be Alcoholic
9. Not be Greedy for money (...oops! There goes your Airport, Dr. TV-Evangelist)
10. Gentle, not quarrelsome
11. Not Covetous
12. A man who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence
...for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?
13. Not a novice
14. Have Good Testimony among outsiders
Women need not apply.
Any objections to these requirements, call 1-800-1-Timothy-3, ext. God.
1. Be blameless
2. Husband of one wife (not the other way around)
3. Temperate (not easily angered)
4. Sober-minded (seeks the mind of Christ)
5. have good behavior (no hanky-panky)
6. Hospitable
7. Able to teach
8. Not be Alcoholic
9. Not be Greedy for money (...oops! There goes your Airport, Dr. TV-Evangelist)
10. Gentle, not quarrelsome
11. Not Covetous
12. A man who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence
...for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?
13. Not a novice
14. Have Good Testimony among outsiders
Women need not apply.
Any objections to these requirements, call 1-800-1-Timothy-3, ext. God.
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OK, so, it true, you say it refers to TWO posts, what did you accomplish by saying that?
How does THAT apply to a woman who is called by God to pastor, and, mind you, this woman pastor is NOT just a 'woman' (no offense, ladies, I am not dissing anyone's work in life as a housemom, raising kids ) who is a 'wife' as both 1 Cor. 14 and 1 Tim. 2 BOTH refer ?
How does THAT apply to a woman who is called by God to pastor, and, mind you, this woman pastor is NOT just a 'woman' (no offense, ladies, I am not dissing anyone's work in life as a housemom, raising kids
) who is a 'wife' as both 1 Cor. 14 and 1 Tim. 2 BOTH refer ?
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Hi folks. Lots of drama in here.
Remember, you can always walk away, collect your emotions, and come back.
Or simply decide you've repeated yourself for the buzllionth time, and saying it one more time isn't worth it, and just disengage.
Me thinks some need to step away and get control of their emotions and calm down.
Thanks!
Remember, you can always walk away, collect your emotions, and come back.
Or simply decide you've repeated yourself for the buzllionth time, and saying it one more time isn't worth it, and just disengage.
Me thinks some need to step away and get control of their emotions and calm down.
Thanks!
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OK, so, it true, you say it refers to TWO posts, what did you accomplish by saying that?
How does THAT apply to a woman who is called by God to pastor, and, mind you, this woman pastor is NOT just a 'woman' (no offense, ladies, I am not dissing anyone's work in life as a housemom, raising kids ) who is a 'wife' as both 1 Cor. 14 and 1 Tim. 2 BOTH refer ?
How does THAT apply to a woman who is called by God to pastor, and, mind you, this woman pastor is NOT just a 'woman' (no offense, ladies, I am not dissing anyone's work in life as a housemom, raising kids
) who is a 'wife' as both 1 Cor. 14 and 1 Tim. 2 BOTH refer ?
what good did her sarcasm toward him do? what good is her attitude? what good is her pride doing?
so her disrespectful sarcasm is ok? not only that, but her sarcasm wasnt even used right. so im wrong for correcting her?
you are part of todays problem.
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you are ignored.. you have no idea how to have a cordial conversation.
im a single father and my daughter is good. she has her moments but she knows who the father is and she listens. way better than a lot of kids ive come across that were rasied by single mothers.
anyway.. welcome to the ignore list. join the lady.
im a single father and my daughter is good. she has her moments but she knows who the father is and she listens. way better than a lot of kids ive come across that were rasied by single mothers.
anyway.. welcome to the ignore list. join the lady.
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