For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What is a convocation?

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

H4744
מקרא
miqrâ'
mik-raw'
From H7121; something called out, that is, a public meeting (the act, the persons, or the place); also a rehearsal: - assembly, calling, convocation, reading.

Sorry that does not fit into your preconceived idea, but the Sabbath includes a holy public meeting. We call them worship services today.


Now let's assume you are correct (you are not, but for the sake of argument) how would this command somehow do away with the Sabbath and the keeping of it?

If God intended that we stay at home (from the usage of the word in Lev 23:3 we see that He did not, but if He did) how does that do away with the keeping of the Sabbath?

It just means a gathering of people, and in this context it means a gathering of one's own family in one's own dwelling.

This has nothing to do with the doing away of the sabbath law. It just shows how law keepers cherry pick the law to suit their needs. That's just human nature at work striving to subvert the intention of the law, which is to condemn the old nature to death so that life can be found.

 

[SpiritofFire]

love is to obey sunday worship

Is not God such everyday of the week?

Again 20 million homes empty. And enough food to feed all more than twice over and we are still debating saturday vs. sunday???

 

[shrimp]

God knows the hearts of people. In truth we should be worshiping Him daily and obeying His commands.

 

[SpiritofFire]

The true weekly sabbath is an age. It begins at evening, signified by the world wide economic collapse in which all work for pay will be halted.

This is the only way God can show the world that as Exodus pointed out, He has provided enough for 2 days.

Once again we have enough resources to house, clothe and feed every human being on the planet COMFORTABLY!

BUT, we would rather fight to hold on to the vast majority of us living just day to day.

To me, this is madness!

 

[Isdaniel]

The true weekly sabbath is an age. It begins at evening, signified by the world wide economic collapse in which all work for pay will be halted.

This is the only way God can show the world that as Exodus pointed out, He has provided enough for 2 days.

Once again we have enough resources to house, clothe and feed every human being on the planet COMFORTABLY!

BUT, we would rather fight to hold on to the vast majority of us living just day to day.

To me, this is madness!

please send me all of your money if you donot want it thanks

 

[Isdaniel]

Is not God such everyday of the week?

Again 20 million homes empty. And enough food to feed all more than twice over and we are still debating saturday vs. sunday???

we worship God everyday but there are criteria we must me on sabbath

 

[Isdaniel]

Is not God such everyday of the week?

Again 20 million homes empty. And enough food to feed all more than twice over and we are still debating saturday vs. sunday???

Dont you think God knows that and He can solve the problem ?

Can man solve his individual problems far les for 20 million

 

[Isdaniel]

Is not God such everyday of the week?

Again 20 million homes empty. And enough food to feed all more than twice over and we are still debating saturday vs. sunday???

Do you go to church on a sunday ? Is it the same as other days of worship ?

 

[SpiritofFire]

Do you go to church on a sunday ? Is it the same as other days of worship ?

I do not go to church at all, but yes it is the same as any other day.

Both days has to pass a collection plate in order to pay bills so it makes no difference.

 

[SpiritofFire]

Dont you think God knows that and He can solve the problem ?

Can man solve his individual problems far les for 20 million

He does. The coming economic crash is for His people to rest!

 

[shrimp]

The gathering of the brethren is to ensure there are no loose ends. That we are all in-tune with the Spirit, so that we are all on God's page and not divided. If we all could just come together with humble hearts and listen to God, there would be no different doctrines. So, Is coming together important? yes. Is worshiping God important? Yes. Is the day that we do it on important? no. Why? Because then we end up worshiping the day instead of God.

The coming together is just as important as feeding the poor and helping the widowed. We should all be in one a chord, God's Chord (word play).

 

[Isdaniel]

I do not go to church at all, but yes it is the same as any other day.

Both days has to pass a collection plate in order to pay bills so it makes no difference.

Nope it is not the same if you go saturday or sunday

 

[Isdaniel]

The gathering of the brethren is to ensure there are no loose ends. That we are all in-tune with the Spirit, so that we are all on God's page and not divided. If we all could just come together with humble hearts and listen to God, there would be no different doctrines. So, Is coming together important? yes. Is worshiping God important? Yes. Is the day that we do it on important? no. Why? Because then we end up worshiping the day instead of God.

The coming together is just as important as feeding the poor and helping the widowed. We should all be in one a chord, God's Chord (word play).

well i think i rather listen to God than man because when He said it I did not know we worship the day

Even Sunday keeprs can tell you that

God is going to punish Sunday keepers for worship the beast who instituted the day

 

[SpiritofFire]

Nope it is not the same if you go saturday or sunday

You can believe what you want, but once the economy falls, whether you go to church on saturday or sunday won't mean jack squat!

Again even the animals will be at rest on the true sabbath because no one will butcher meat without a paycheck.

 

[shrimp]

well i think i rather listen to God than man because when He said it I did not know we worship the day

Even Sunday keeprs can tell you that

God is going to punish Sunday keepers for worship the beast who instituted the day

So would I. I, however, Do not believe that God is going to send me to Hell or Eternal damnation or Fire just because I worship Him and come together with my brothers and sisters on Sunday. Or even Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, or even Saturday for that matter.

Damn me to hell or eternal fire if you wish, that is your business. But that is never going to convince anyone that Saturday is better than Sunday. They are days not gods. Everyday is the Lord's.

We could come together every day and worship God and lay ourselves before Him! Saturday or Sunday, It doesn't make us more spiritually in tune with God. What? does He shut His ears and eyes every other day but Saturday?

 

[john832]

It just means a gathering of people, and in this context it means a gathering of one's own family in one's own dwelling.

This has nothing to do with the doing away of the sabbath law. It just shows how law keepers cherry pick the law to suit their needs. That's just human nature at work striving to subvert the intention of the law, which is to condemn the old nature to death so that life can be found.

The lexicon in Strong's shows it to be a PUBLIC meeting. You can call it what you will for your own purposes, but the meaning is clear...

Please note that the Feast of Trumpets is a Holy convocation...

Lev 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

Here is an account of the Feast of Trumpets...

Neh 8:1 And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that was before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the LORD had commanded to Israel.
Neh 8:2 And Ezra the priest brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all that could hear with understanding, upon the first day of the seventh month.
Neh 8:3 And he read therein before the street that was before the water gate from the morning until midday, before the men and the women, and those that could understand; and the ears of all the people were attentive unto the book of the law.
Neh 8:4 And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam.
Neh 8:5 And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people and when he opened it, all the people stood up:

Sound like it was a bunch of individuals in their own homes?

You can call it whatever you want, but eh scripture shows it is a public meeting.

 

[chubbena]

I believe in the US (and probably Europe and Canada), there are national laws that prohibit that kind of abuse, so your point is pointless.

Pointless is when you are not dealing with my answer to your post.
My point is, physical rest is necessary - to counter your opinion that physical rest is not needed once you find rest in Christ.
Would you rather obey national laws than the law?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The lexicon in Strong's shows it to be a PUBLIC meeting. You can call it what you will for your own purposes, but the meaning is clear...

Please note that the Feast of Trumpets is a Holy convocation...

Lev 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

Here is an account of the Feast of Trumpets...

Neh 8:1 And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that was before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the LORD had commanded to Israel.
Neh 8:2 And Ezra the priest brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all that could hear with understanding, upon the first day of the seventh month.
Neh 8:3 And he read therein before the street that was before the water gate from the morning until midday, before the men and the women, and those that could understand; and the ears of all the people were attentive unto the book of the law.
Neh 8:4 And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam.
Neh 8:5 And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people and when he opened it, all the people stood up:

Sound like it was a bunch of individuals in their own homes?

You can call it whatever you want, but eh scripture shows it is a public meeting.

The word just means called together for a purpose. Public is nowhere implied in the meaning. Strong's is a concordance; it is not definitive.

How do you have a public meeting when you're told to not leave your dwellings? Ignoring the last part of Exodus 16:29 sounds like a case of selective exegesis; or shall we say, cherry picking the law.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Pointless is when you are not dealing with my answer to your post.
My point is, physical rest is necessary - to counter your opinion that physical rest is not needed once you find rest in Christ.
Would you rather obey national laws than the law?

I never said physical rest is unnecessary. That's your phoney characterization. The intent of the 4th commandment was not physical rest, but to take time off from personal pursuits in order to remember that GOD delivered the Israelites from the bondage of Egypt and made them his holy people.

 

[chubbena]

Sorry Laodicea, but the fruit of salvation is and has always been LOVE. Jesus point blank says they will know you are His disciples by the love you have one for another. The sum of the law and the prophets is LOVE. The first of the Holy Spirit is LOVE. John says if you hate your brother and sister whom you have seen you can not love the Father whom you have not seen. Paul says without love you have nothing. You can give away all money,know all things,have the tongues of men and angels but without love it is NOTHING.

I like what you are saying but what does it have to do with the OP?
I see a lot of love on this thread.
Really, many beautiful names are given to Sabbath keepers.