STATUTES , PRECEPTS , JUDGEMENTS, TESTOMONIES, ETC

[Isdaniel]

When di God give Moses the instruction to build the tabernacle ?
I am just talking about the tabernacle
I am still reseaching the ceremonial laws etc

everything was given on the mount Moses just reherse it when he came down


Deuteronomy 4:14And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it.

ten commandment given also the book of the law at the same time on the mount

 

[Elin]

Well you are right about what lawful means therefore applying your same principle What did when Jesus mean by the below verses

Mark 3:4And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or todo evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

Luke 6:9Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?

This is not about keeping sabbath or sunday

just did he mean that is all

You don't know what he is asking?

He is simply asking if it were against the Sabbath regulations (laws).

 

[Isdaniel]

this is what I am saying yiou said they met and it imply the 1st day whay not apply the same principle to saturday which ha more meetings than Sunday Why

lets me clear up this false teaching that because the apostles met to break braed on the first day

Point one the apostles gathered at the evening not morning hmmmm interesting do you see sunday churches doing that no offence i know you are a sunday keeper

point two After sabbath in the Jewish culture it is still praciced when sabbath cloes everyone meets to break bread in the night or at evening when curch is finish

A day does not star at midnight that is beast worship
Acts 20

King James Version (KJV)

20 And after the uproar was ceased, Paul called unto him the disciples, and embraced them, and departed for to go into Macedonia.
2 And when he had gone over those parts, and had given them much exhortation, he came into Greece,
3 And there abode three months. And when the Jews laid wait for him, as he was about to sail into Syria, he purposed to return through Macedonia.
4 And there accompanied him into Asia Sopater of Berea; and of the Thessalonians, Aristarchus and Secundus; and Gaius of Derbe, and Timotheus; and of Asia, Tychicus and Trophimus.
5 These going before tarried for us at Troas.
6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
8And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.
9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.
10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.




Note paul preaching started after sabbath they abide seven days thus he kept the sabbath then as usual he preached at the sunset which signal the first day or evening until midnight this was not morning he started to preach hmmm read the whole chapter the jews still do this up today

 

[Isdaniel]

You don't know what he is asking?

He is simply asking if it were against the Sabbath regulations (laws).

oh my dear that is what Jesus is asking hmm i thuoght He meant we can do evil because hey He did away with the sabbath hmmmm

place sunday for sabbath and ask yourself the same question hmmm this will mean sunday worship stands if it was so hmmm thus the sabbath is to be kept

All that Jesus did on the sabbath was good but the pharasee said he and His disciple did evil hmm God never said do walk on the sabbath thatwill be ridiculoues how were people to go to the temple etc

the Pharasees added alot of thing check the talmon

Jesus picked grians of corn hmm deuteronomy have laws for that thus Jesus did what was lawful on the sabbath to do

but hey many take these verse and say lokk Jesus did this and that so He was shewing we are not to keep the sabbath hmmm when He was shewing what is aceeptable or lawful to do on the sabbath mercy love etc pick up ypur mattress

walk hmm there is nothing such as how many miles you can walk on the sabbath that was man mabe not God made

 

[Isdaniel]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Compare below Moses Law vs.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]God's Ten Commandment Law[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]M[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, Times]ANY[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, Times] people often confuse Moses Law with God's Ten Commandment Law, but they are very different.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added "till the seed should come," and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ's sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law) "stand fast for ever and ever." Psalm 111:7,8.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]There are two laws that are made crystal clear in the following verses below. Daniel 9:10 is talking about God's law and verse 11 is talking about Moses' law:[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]"Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets."
"Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him." Daniel 9:10,11​

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[Isdaniel]

Special Note: Please note that God's law also called the 10 Commandments has existed at least as long as sin has existed. The Bible says, "Where no law is, there is no transgression [or sin]."Romans 4:15.

So God's TenCommandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law."Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4Because of sin (or breaking God's law), Moses law was given (or "added" Galatians 3:16, 19) till Christ should come and die.

Two separate laws involved: God's law or 10 Commandments and Moses law.

i know you will not go to the link so these are the excerts

 

[Isdaniel]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Moses Law[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Ten Commandments[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Called "Law contained in ordinances"[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Called "the Royal law"[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]JAMES 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: [/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Written by Moses in a book[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]2 CHRON. 35:12 And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the LORD, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen. [/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Written by God on stone[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]EXO. 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone,written with the finger of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]EXO. 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.[/FONT]​

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[Isdaniel]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Placed in the side of the ark[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]DEUT. 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the arkof the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Placed inside the ark[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]EXO. 40:20 And he took andput the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark: [/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Ended at the cross[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace. [/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Will stand forever[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]LUKE 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Added because of sin[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]GAL. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Points out sin[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]ROM. 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
ROM. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.[/FONT]​

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[Isdaniel]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Contrary to us, against us[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]COL. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Not grievous[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and hiscommandments are not grievous.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Judges no man[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]COL. 2:14-16 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Judges all men[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]JAM. 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. [/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Carnal[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]HEB. 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Spiritual[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]ROM. 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. [/FONT]​

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[Isdaniel]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Made nothing perfect[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]HEB. 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Perfect[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]PSALMS 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.[/FONT]​

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hope you see the difference thus Jesus fullfille the sacreficial law , ceremonial law

[h=3]John 1:29[/h]King James Version (KJV)

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

 

[Elin]

these instructions were given on the Mount hmm you said God gave moses the civil law on the mount right well
shew me when moses got this law about the tabernacle before he came down from the mount

He went up on the mount in Ex 24:12, 15, and he came down in Ex 32:15.

Somewhere in that time frame, between Ex 25:9 and Ex 25:40, following, he was given the pattern on the mount.

• Exodus 25:9 According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and thepattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

• Exodus 25:40 And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount

• Hebrews 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Heb 8:5 refers to Ex 25:40, above it.

A little less demanding, and a little more requesting would be appropriate.

 

[Isdaniel]

He went up on the mount in Ex 24:12, 15, and he came down in Ex 32:15.

Somewhere in that time frame, between Ex 25:9 and Ex 25:40, following, he was given the pattern on the mount.

Heb 8:5 refers to Ex 25:40, above it.

A little less demanding, and a little more requesting would be appropriate.

dear Elin you said no earlier in some post then when i shew you were wrong you shew me the same scripture i used to shew your error

Why will God shew him the patern on the mout at the same time did it take years to build the tabernacle to do animal or sacrifies you said it was given in leviticus hmm exoodus is before leviticus and the tabernacle was buildt before that is it only in leviticus the animal sacrifices started

Just asking
did they do animal sacrifices before that the book of leviticus
and Moses was rehersing whatt God had said in leviticus

 

[Isdaniel]

He went up on the mount in Ex 24:12, 15, and he came down in Ex 32:15.

Somewhere in that time frame, between Ex 25:9 and Ex 25:40, following, he was given the pattern on the mount.

Heb 8:5 refers to Ex 25:40, above it.

A little less demanding, and a little more requesting would be appropriate.

In the 40 yrs in the wilderness what year was the book of leviticus given ?

 

[Elin]

colosians 2 and ephesisna addresses the same thing

No, they don't, and this has been covered with you twice before, here and here.

 

[Elin]

did you not read large secions of the books

Why do you ask?

 

[Isdaniel]

No, they don't, and this has been covered with you twice before, here and here.

well have a sunday okay i wil have a sabbath day

What colour are the ten commandments and Why

 

[Isdaniel]

Why do you ask?

hmm you really dont understand you said i said all the five books is the ceremonial law I said sections of the book there are dietry laws civil laws stc inth same bokks in smaller sections thus i asked if you did not see i said in the post large sections of the books not tje whole book

 

[Elin]

lets see what the angels gave him then

Acts 7:50-53

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50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the HolyGhost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.


Note God spoke the commandments to the whole assembly but angels gave Moses the ceremonila laws etc

Note nothing about ceremonial laws from angels is stated in anything you've presented here, or otherwise.

 

[Isdaniel]

Note nothing about ceremonial laws from angels is stated in anything you've presented here, or otherwise.

What does this means Elin 53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Did angels give the ten commandments or God himself

And what law is that by the angels ? was it the ten on stones ?

 

[Elin]

oh my dear that is what Jesus is asking hmm i thuoght He meant we can do evil because hey He did away with the sabbath hmmmm

place sunday for sabbath and ask yourself the same question hmmm this will mean sunday worship stands if it was so hmmm thus
the sabbath is to be kept

I've already covered this with you in post #146 here.