Neat Discovery About John 3:13

KJV1611 · Dec 12, 2013

Eg where does this doctrine come from?
Does it come from the bible?
What verses in the bible tell you that God either A) is not capable of preserving his word or B) does not want man kind to have his inerrant word?

Do you base your doctrine on the written pages of the bible or on the bible in hearts and minds of men who study the bible?

ChosenbyHim · Dec 12, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

Yes we do.

eternally-gratefull said:

You have an english copy which was not even translated from the origionals.

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And the English copy which I have is the perfect and inerrant word of God..

eternally-gratefull said:

God did not inspire the KJV. Men translated it. Like he did all the english translations. Some are better, some are worst. but they are ALL translations.

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The King James Bible is inspired. .

And by the way EG, you are aware that men also wrote the "original autographs," aren't you?

eternally-gratefull said:

Taking this part out does NOT change the meaning. In fact, it MAKES IT MORE CLEAR!

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Taking the last part of John 3:13 is an attack on the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ.

eternally-gratefull said:

God kept His promise to preserve His pure words (Psa. 12:6-7). Therefore we have His pure and inerrant words.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 12, 2013

KJV1611 said:

Better yet.

Tell me where in the bible the KJV is authorized and inerant?

I already proves it is just a word for word. And faulty at that! And we ASSUME it is taken from the proper text. WHICH CAN NOT BE PROVEN< BECAUSE NO ONE HAS THE ORIGIONALS

Karraster · Dec 12, 2013

The dead are not in heaven but are sleeping
in the grave waiting the resurrection. Joh
1:18 Acts 2:29, 34, 1Cor 15:50-52, Acts
7:60, Joh 11:11, 1 Thes 4:13-15 Job 14:13-
14

eternally-gratefull · Dec 12, 2013

ChosenbyHim said:

Idolatry is a sin.

even your version says this, So repent. and stop worshiping a translation

ChosenbyHim · Dec 12, 2013

KJV1611 said:

I believe that the Kingdom of Heaven will come into effect in Jerusalem when Jesus Christ is reigning in Jerusalem. Therefore I do believe that these verses referencing the Kingdom of Heaven are doctrinally pointed at the Millennial Kingdom, which will be right after Christ's Second Coming.

ChosenbyHim · Dec 12, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

And placing your puny and vain intellect over the Final Authority of the inerrant word of God is a sin.

So you repent of your sin of sitting in judgment over the word of God.

KJV1611 · Dec 12, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

I base my doctrine on the bible.

Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psa 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

It's easy tell which is the inerrant word of God. If your bible says the Son of God was in the fiery furnace then you have the inerrant word of God. If your bible bible says that a son of the gods was in the fiery furnace then you reading a faulty bible.

KJV1611 · Dec 12, 2013

ChosenbyHim said:

You could be right, and I have always been taught that also. But there are a couple of verses that I think point to the kingdom coming with Christ at his first coming. I think it is really an important issue to understand exactly what the kingdom is because if the kingdom came with Christ at the first coming then I need to go back and examine some of the things I've been taught.

Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Luk_11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

ChosenbyHim · Dec 12, 2013

KJV1611 said:

Well if I remember correctly; the phrase: "kingdom of heaven" is only found in the book of Matthew. And just about every time this phrase is mentioned, it is referring to a physical land.

Also, it should be noted that the Gospel which Jesus and His apostles preached during His 3 and a half year ministry was the Gospel of the Kingdom. They were offering the Jews the Kingdom.

breno785au · Dec 12, 2013

If no man has ascended accept for Jesus then where did Elijah and Enoch go?

KJV1611 · Dec 12, 2013

breno785au said:

I don't know for sure but all of the other Old Testament saints went to Abraham's bosom.

KJV1611 · Dec 12, 2013

ChosenbyHim said:

You are right and interestingly enough it is found exactly 33 times. Coincidence? I don't think so... it's the signature of God on the KJV!

KJV1611 · Dec 12, 2013

I think this parable of the kingdom of heaven also points to the first coming. I also think this is a prophecy of the false bibles that started way back in the 1st century. If you will notice in this parable, the kingdom of heaven has wheat and tares sown in it. I think this whole parable is about the kingdom of heaven, not just the harvest at the end.

Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

ChosenbyHim · Dec 13, 2013

KJV1611 said:

Absolutely, I also believe that the text of the King James Bible has the signature of God on it. The fact that the phrase: "kingdom of heaven" occurs exactly 33 times in the book of Matthew in the King James Holy Bible is absolutely amazing.

ChosenbyHim · Dec 13, 2013

KJV1611 said:

I think this parable of the kingdom of heaven also points to the first coming. I also think this is a prophecy of the false bibles that started way back in the 1st century. If you will notice in this parable, the kingdom of heaven has wheat and tares sown in it. I think this whole parable is about the kingdom of heaven, not just the harvest at the end.

Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Very interesting. I think I see where you are coming from. The word of God is described as a seed in the very parable (parable of the sower) in Matthew 13:18-23, which is the parable right before the one you mentioned. Very interesting.

ChosenbyHim · Dec 13, 2013

KJV1611 said:

I think this parable of the kingdom of heaven also points to the first coming. I also think this is a prophecy of the false bibles that started way back in the 1st century. If you will notice in this parable, the kingdom of heaven has wheat and tares sown in it. I think this whole parable is about the kingdom of heaven, not just the harvest at the end.

Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

And so I can see how the parable of the wheat and tares could possibly have a prophetic application in regard to the counterfeit bibles produced and orchestrated by Satan.

KJV1611 · Dec 13, 2013

ChosenbyHim said:

It's a shame that others can't see that. There are hundreds of patterns like this all over the KJV. These new translation just trash the number patterns and the symbolic phrases used throughout the KJV. People say how do you know the KJV is the inerrant word of God and I'm like how on earth can you not see that it is. Divine inspiration is every where, these things can't be coincidental.

People that have discarded the KJV are missing all the keys to understanding God's word. The language structure used in the Old Testament and New Testament are the same... it makes it easy to understand God's word. I have learned a ton by just taking key words or phrases and chasing them down throughout the bible. If I have a question about a passage, I never consult the internet or commentary. I ask God to show me the meaning from the bible. Then some time later on down the road I'll be reading something in the bible and the Holy Spirit will bring another verse to my mind and then click... there's the answer to my question. Here a little there a little.

When I finally decided to believe the KJV was the inerrant word of God, the blinders fell off my eyes. The scriptures came alive and God began to show me the neatest things. I used to know who Jesus was, but now I know Jesus personally. I have so many things that God has shown me through his word and I wish I could share them but sadly when I try, I get blasted because others can't see what I see. I'm rambling, but anyways I love that bible! Praise God for you ChosenbyHim! I'm so glad to see others who haven't abandoned the word of God.

KJV1611 · Dec 13, 2013

ChosenbyHim said:

That's what I'm saying... the more I study the bible only, the more I'm finding out that the so called "experts" are wrong. Daniel 9 is perfect example. A whole belief system (7 year tribulation, antichrist covenant etc.) has sprung up around a misinterpretation of Daniel 9:27. Jesus confirmed the covenant, not the antichrist. Jesus caused the sacrifes to cease when became the sacrifice.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

There is a second witness to Jesus confirming the New Testament covenant in Galatians. There is no first witness or second witness to the antichrist confirming any type of covenant, much less a covenant with Israel.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

VCO · Dec 13, 2013

KJV1611 said:

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I have a slightly different and deeper understanding. YES the Kingdom of heaven begins HERE ON EARTH, when we get down off the throne of ruling our own lives our own way and out of a willing heart GIVE THAT THRONE OF CONTROL OVER OUR LIVES TO JESUS CHRIST AS LORD (which means Master). If we can do that, it was NOT out of our own intellect that we did it. It was by the power of the Holy Spirit that we gave Him the throne in our hearts. At that very moment the Holy Spirit brought our once dead human spirit to become a living spirit; and that new life in our spirits is the beginning of Eternal Life, also here on earth.

Ephesians 2:4-6 (ESV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
[SUP]6 [/SUP] and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

1 John 5:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

John 3:36 (NASB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

Thus submission to HIM as LORD, thereby giving HIM the throne of our lives, is the beginning of eternal life.

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More food for thought. The Bible does describe THREE heavens and the Third Heaven is the Eternal Dwelling Place of GOD.

2 Corinthians 12:2-4 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And I know how such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows—
[SUP]4 [/SUP] was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.

THUS the Bible equates the Third Heaven to Paradise. Remember the promise He gave the thief on the Cross? So Christ and that Thief did go spiritually to the Third Heaven that very day; but HIS blood had to be delivered physically to the ALTAR in Heaven after His Resurrection:

John 20:16-17 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Jesus said to her, "Mary!" She turned and said to Him, "Rabboni!" (which is to say, Teacher).
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.' "

2 Chronicles 29:24 (NKJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And the priests killed them; and they presented their blood on the altar as a sin offering to make an atonement for all Israel, for the king commanded that the burnt offering and the sin offering be made for all Israel.

Hebrews 9:12 (GW)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] He used his own blood, not the blood of goats and bulls, for the sacrifice. He went into the most holy place and offered this sacrifice once and for all to free us forever.

Hebrews 4:14 (ASV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Having then a great high priest, who hath passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.

SEE IT? It says "heavens" PLURAL. What then is the First Heaven and the Second Heaven. The answer is simpler than you may think.

"Rain fell from heaven" -- thus the First Heaven is the Atmosphere.

"The stars and galaxies of heaven" -- thus the Second Heaven is the Universe.

"The Altar in the Throne Room of Heaven" -- thus the Third Heaven IS the Eternal Dwelling Place of GOD.

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