We know about throwing out law, does the law have anything good about it??

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Stay in God's words. so you canNOT be deceived by Satan.
2 Timothy 2:15

King James Version (KJV)

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 

zone

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I went to history to find these laws were what kept the Jewish population in the middle ages functioning
which history did you go to?

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Judaism 101

Torah

Level: Basic

• Torah in the narrowest sense refers to the first five books of the Bible
• In a broader sense, Torah includes all Jewish law and tradition
• Torah was given to Moses in written form with oral commentary
• The oral component is now written in the Talmud
• There are additional important writings

Torah

The word "Torah" is a tricky one, because it can mean different things in different contexts. In its most limited sense, "Torah" refers to the Five Books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. But the word "torah" can also be used to refer to the entire Jewish bible (the body of scripture known to non-Jews as the Old Testament and to Jews as the Tanakh or Written Torah), or in its broadest sense, to the whole body of Jewish law and teachings.

Written Torah...

Oral Torah: The Talmud

In addition to the written scriptures we have an "Oral Torah," a tradition explaining what the above scriptures mean and how to interpret them and apply the Laws. Orthodox Jews believe G-d taught the Oral Torah to Moses, and he taught it to others, down to the present day. This tradition was maintained only in oral form until about the 2d century C.E., when the oral law was compiled and written down in a document called the Mishnah.

Over the next few centuries, additional commentaries elaborating on the Mishnah were written down in Jerusalem and Babylon. These additional commentaries are known as the Gemara. The Gemara and the Mishnah together are known as the Talmud. This was completed in the 5th century C.E.

Judaism 101: Torah
 
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Zone lets make something clear here. For the record the Torah, God's words, dose not have anything to do with the Talmud.

The Talmud ;there are four kinds, are traditional sayings and writings an some times "commentaries" ; far removed in most cases from the Bible. Found in the Talmud, you will have sayings that teaching Not to read the Bible. That the rabbi's are the authority .

They have Nothing to do with The Bible God authored. The Talmud are the traditions of "Jewish" men. Not God's words we have in the Ten Commandments and His other laws .


You will NOT i repeat not find those things even remotely mentioned in the Bible other then Christ saying He is against the traditions of the scribes and pharisees" hypocrites " which do Not obey God's words written in God's words.

Please do not confuse the two. There is just a lot of confusion in these Threads and little to no Bible here.
 
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1) Zone lets make something clear here. For the record the Torah, God's words, dose not have anything to do with the Talmud.

2) Please do not confuse the two. There is just a lot of confusion in these Threads and little to no Bible here.
nathan3

1) i know
2) sorry you're confused.

go re-read the OP.

btw - your SERPENT SEED doctrine comes from the Zohar....as do your other teachings (reincarnation, pre-existence etc)

same teachings - surprise!
 
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1 Timothy 1:8-9, 11 KJV
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; [9] Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, [11] According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.



Romans 7:12-14 KJV
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. [13] Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. [14] For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
 
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nathan3

1) i know
2) sorry you're confused.

go re-read the OP.

btw - your SERPENT SEED doctrine comes from the Zohar....as do your other teachings (reincarnation, pre-existence etc)

same teachings - surprise!

This thread is about the Laws found in the Bible, but your attempting to compare it with the Talmud.

Regarding your statement to derail attention from your posts and this thread ;

About the seed of the devil. I will let scripture answer that. Christ Not speaking in a parable ; but Explaining one:


Matthew 13:

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.


What sowing by the devil is he talking about Zone ? Daffodils and cotton ? I know they are making sweaters , and eating apples ,
surely not children , as the scripture states..


John 8:44-45

King James Version (KJV) ( Christ speaking )

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



Revelation 3:9 ; Revelation 2:9 I'm not talking about this in a form of an argument, is counter productive. And a waste of time. I talk about those scripture with people that actually care about God's words .
 
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A person is declared righteous only through faith in Christ, not works of law
If a person could be declared righteous by works of law, Christ’s death would have been unnecessary (Galatians 2:15-21)
Galatians received God’s spirit because of their responding in faith to the good news, not because of works of law (Galatians3:1-5)
True sons of Abraham are those who have faith like his (Galatians 3:6-9, 26-29)
Because of being unable to keep the Law perfectly, those seeking to prove themselves righteous by works of the Law are under a curse (Galatians 3:10-14)
The Law did not invalidate the promise associated with the Abrahamic covenant, but it served to make transgressions manifest and acted as a tutor leading to Christ (Galatians 3:15-25) It demonstrated the need for a propitiatory sacrifice that could satisfy the demands and legal requirements of the Law.
Stand fast in Christian freedom
Jesus Christ, by his death, released those under law, making it possible for them to become sons of God (Galatians 4:1-7)
Returning to an arrangement of observing days, months, seasons, and years would mean going back into slavery and coming into a position like that of Ishmael, the son of the servant girl Hagar; with his mother he was dismissed from Abraham’s household (Galatians 4:8-31)
 
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CRC, have you read the Bible about Ordinance prescribed by the law , and the difference between them and the Ten commandments ? I wrote a long post about it offering scriptures. The law was not nailed to the Cross. It was the Blood ritual ordinances that were contrary to us, that was done away with.

Christ says in Revelation To keep the Commandments of God, and the Faith of Christ. They both go hand in hand . If a Christian, were to break the law, we are called to Repent in Christ name for the remission of sins. If people think the law is of non effect like do not steal or Murder for example, then what do you think is going to happen ? The law is Not a work...

There is a higher degree of accountability to those that know better then those that have not accepted Christ. Because you can loose Christ atonement for you, if you go about sinning and not repenting, and teaching people the law dose not matter, regardless even if Christ said it dose matter.


Hebrews 10:26
 
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The "cross" is a new false doctrine tht has come in over the last 50 years, that says since Jesus died on the cross we no loner have to change or be good, because Jesus did it all, he was good for us, we cannot be good so dont even try. If you TRY TO BE GOOD you will go to hell.
seriously they actually believe this.
they say Jesus, he was good for us. So we as thiefs adulterers, robbers, fornicators can all go in as long as we pay our tithes and offeregs to these snake oil charmers.
this makes it easy for any church to gain children and young people since they dont have to repent or ive their whole lives and hearts to Jesus but just say a few words and they think they are saved.

Parents fall for this because they want their children saved, and to tell them the truth they think you are trying to send their children to hell (they are already there) and they get real mad. So it is a very strong trap of satan, and the parents support this error not realizing they do not have eternal live by just admitting a few words.
the Defvils ALSO BELIEVE and tremble
but they are not oing to heaven!
You have to OBEY and DO the word by LOVE
REPENT
REPENT and CHANGE
this is not accepted anymore
and niether will they be accepted either
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that continue to sin and break the commandments!.





it is the easy false reliion

the churches actually teach children to BREAK the law and you can o to heaven because if you KEEP the law you are doin works and will be lost

This is the enemy doctrine that will kill most christians because they did not have the oil in their lamps (Bible stud)

so when you hear "THE CROSS" what they are sayin is
"We got a free pass to heaven and we can remain sinful and we dont need the law."

These people are lost. Our job is to pray that od will remove the false teachers who are wolves in sheeps clothin and set our children free to go to Jesus and learn the joy of living in his word followin everything he said and doin it with love like his disciples did
 

zone

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These posts on cc has explored Jesus without the law endlessly. Many say it works fine. Scripture tells us the law shows us our need for Jesus.

Now lets explore how the law works without Jesus. That should tell us if God wants us to add the law to Jesus.

It was given as a sort of constitution for the new country for Joshua to start. They didn’t follow it very well, but still it created a world of safety where even babies were killed in other places.

I don’t know anyone trying to keep law, so I used books to explore this. Liz Harris reports on how Hasidic Jews live, and says it makes for a good life. I went to history to find these laws were what kept the Jewish population in the middle ages functioning, and also leading the Christian communities in devotion to God when there was little.

We have scripture after scripture telling us the law is good, the law is holy, and telling us to obey. We know all scripture points to the same truth, yet poster after poster uses verses to tell us not to listen to law. If the law was given by God, if what is given by God is spiritual truth, how could it be that spiritual truth could say that spiritual truth is wrong?

This thread is about the Laws found in the Bible, but your attempting to compare it with the Talmud.
that's odd....i thought a thread was about what was in the OP ^^

Regarding your statement to derail attention from your posts and this thread ;

About the seed of the devil. I will let scripture answer that. .....
no you won't, you'll twist them and use innuendo...just like the Pharisees who knew what their traditions said about a True Adam (man) who God favored (jews)...all the "other adams" created previously (gentiles), not being THE ADAM (according to you and Murray, created special on the 8th day - you know, the WHITE MAN ADAM)...which as i just told you, comes from the ZOHAR.

thanks anyways.
 
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that's odd....i thought a thread was about what was in the OP ^^



no you won't, you'll twist them and use innuendo...just like the Pharisees who knew what their traditions said about a True Adam (man) who God favored (jews)...all the "other adams" created previously (gentiles), not being THE ADAM (according to you and Murray, created special on the 8th day - you know, the WHITE MAN ADAM)...which as i just told you, comes from the ZOHAR.

thanks anyways.
the only twisting going on here is ; throwing around words like "Zohar," Talmud," trying to mix them; into the scriptures when its not in God's words. Your trying to convince that scriptures come from them , and They have nothing to do with. And kindergartner cut an pastes from your favorite Christian smear sites. Im done talking to you Zone. But Im not falling for your twist and turns of scriptures, and derailments. . I give scriptures your ignore it in favor of your traditional teachings ( of men )
 
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1 Timothy 1:8-9, 11 KJV
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; [9] Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, [11] According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.



Romans 7:12-14 KJV
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. [13] Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. [14] For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
1 Timothy 1:8-9, 11 KJV
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; [9] Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for man-slayers, [11] According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

The laws were made for the ones that didn't understand being righteous is all about. They were the ones that needed to be in chains and forced to obey like a slave. But the ones that were born with the upright spirits in them, didn't need to be taught to respect others, for loving others came as a natural for them. Moses was born with these spirits of God in him, that is why he couldn't understand the way they'd thought. The people were lacking the spirits of God in them.

Exodus 2:11 One day, after Moses had grown up, he went out to where his own people were and watched them at their hard labor. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. 12 Looking this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand. 13 The next day he went out and saw two Hebrews fighting. He asked the one in the wrong, “Why are you hitting your fellow Hebrew?”
14 The man said, “Who made you ruler and judge over us? Are you thinking of killing me as you killed the Egyptian?” Then Moses was afraid and thought, “What I did must have become known.”
15 When Pharaoh heard of this, he tried to kill Moses, but Moses fled from Pharaoh and went to live in Midian, where he sat down by a well. 16 Now a priest of Midian had seven daughters, and they came to draw water and fill the troughs to water their father’s flock. 17 Some shepherds came along and drove them away, but Moses got up and came to their rescue and watered their flock.
 

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the only twisting going on here is ; throwing around words like "Zohar," Talmud," trying to mix them; into the scriptures when its not in God's words. Your trying to convince that scriptures come from them , and They have nothing to do with. And kindergartner cut an pastes from your favorite Christian smear sites. Im done talking to you Zone. But Im not falling for your twist and turns of scriptures, and derailments. . I give scriptures your ignore it in favor of your traditional teachings ( of men )
Serpent seed, dual seed or two-seedline is a controversial doctrine, according to which the serpent in the Garden of Eden mated with Eve, and the offspring of their union was Cain. This belief is still held by some adherents of the white-supremacist Christian Identity, who claim that the Jews, as descendants of Cain, are also descended from the serpent.[1][2] The idea has also existed in several other non-racial contexts, and major proponents include Daniel Parker (1781–1844)[3] and William M. Branham (1909–65).[4]

The doctrine that Eve mated with the serpent, or with Satan, to produce Cain also appears in early Gnostic writings such as the Gospel of Philip (c. 350); however, this teaching was explicitly rejected as heresy by Irenaeus (c. 180) and later mainstream Christian theologians.

A similar doctrine appeared in Jewish midrashic texts in the 9th century and in the Kabalah. It is considered a false doctrine by mainstream Protestants.[5] Catholic theologians point to the fact that the Bible states that the original sin is that of Adam and Eve eating a forbidden fruit.[6]

Serpent seed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click CHECK THE FOOTNOTES. your mentor is there in living color....white.

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"Alas for the stupidity and blindness of men who do not perceive the mysteries of the Torah and do not know that by 'the beasts of the field' are designated the unlearned [first creation] . . . The 'beasts of the field' were like [soul-less] animals among men." (Zohar 1:128a-b)

Donmeh West - Kabbalistic Genetics of the Holy Seed & the Lost Sheep of Israel < click for the original heresy.

this is not off track re: the OP, since the OP insists "Orthodox" Judaism involved the REAL Torah.
when anyone can look at Judaism 101 and see Torah is "a tricky word"
 
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Serpent seed, dual seed or two-seedline is a controversial doctrine, according to which the serpent in the Garden of Eden mated with Eve, and the offspring of their union was Cain. This belief is still held by some adherents of the white-supremacist Christian Identity, who claim that the Jews, as descendants of Cain, are also descended from the serpent.[1][2] The idea has also existed in several other non-racial contexts, and major proponents include Daniel Parker (1781–1844)[3] and William M. Branham (1909–65).[4]

The doctrine that Eve mated with the serpent, or with Satan, to produce Cain also appears in early Gnostic writings such as the Gospel of Philip (c. 350); however, this teaching was explicitly rejected as heresy by Irenaeus (c. 180) and later mainstream Christian theologians.

A similar doctrine appeared in Jewish midrashic texts in the 9th century and in the Kabalah. It is considered a false doctrine by mainstream Protestants.[5] Catholic theologians point to the fact that the Bible states that the original sin is that of Adam and Eve eating a forbidden fruit.[6]

Serpent seed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click CHECK THE FOOTNOTES. your mentor is there in living color....white.

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"Alas for the stupidity and blindness of men who do not perceive the mysteries of the Torah and do not know that by 'the beasts of the field' are designated the unlearned [first creation] . . . The 'beasts of the field' were like [soul-less] animals among men." (Zohar 1:128a-b) < click for the original heresy.
No scripture again, just men's words ( which you quote ignorant of their true intentions ) muddying God's true words in the process . The same with people thinking the Ten Commandments were done away with, and knowing nothing about the Ordinances . Just more cut n paste, cut n paste, dont matter if its contrary to God's word and confusion, just cut n paste . Don't seem to bother you non, spoon fed and regurgitate .
 
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2Thewaters

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The virgins need to study their Bible and get oil, so they wont be called foolish
never study the bible without the holy pirit of love and truth

My Bible says from the beginning to the end the disobedeint who do not follow Gods word dies

the false prophets always say dont worry about it.
 

zone

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No scripture again, just men's words ( which you quote ignorant of their true intentions ) muddying God's true words in the process . The same with people thinking the Ten Commandments were done away with, and knowing nothing about the Ordinances . Just more cut n paste, cut n paste, dont matter if its contrary to God's word and confusion, just cut n paste . Don't seem to bother you non, spoon fed and regurgitate .
click here...this guy uses the same devices you use...you'll know them, and you will agree.

Donmeh West - Kabbalistic Genetics of the Holy Seed & the Lost Sheep of Israel

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About this passage and its direct implication that God brought all the "wild beasts" to Adam for him to choose a helpmate from among them, the Zohar says:

"Alas for the stupidity and blindness of men who do not perceive the mysteries of the Torah and do not know that by 'the beasts of the field' are designated the unlearned [first creation] . . . The 'beasts of the field' were like [soul-less] animals among men." (Zohar 1:128a-b)

THE SERPENT [NACHASH] WAS MORE CUNNING THAN ALL THE BEASTS OF THE FIELD. (Gen. 3:1)
In other words, he was their leader, the first "man" created in Genesis 1:26 who was "fruitful and multiplied" with his female counterpart ("Lilith"), thus creating the "beasts of the field", or the "unlearned" and "soulless" mankind referred to in the Zohar. Moreover, the Zohar states, this Serpent Nachash (who, Rashi brings down, walked upright "like a man"; until he was "cursed"; by God to "crawl on [his] belly and eat dust" in Genesis 3:14), this Nachash was "the ideal form of . . . the Satan" (Zohar 1:35b). Thus, Nachash was to the "first" creation what Adam was to the "second"; -- a prototype of a specific species -- the significant difference between them being, as I pointed out at the beginning of this lecture, that the second Adam received a "living soul", but Nachash (the first Adam) did not. In the next section we shall consider the meaning of the passage, "And Yahweh God said, 'It is not good that man should be alone'." (Gen. 2:18)
 
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The "cross" is a new false doctrine tht has come in over the last 50 years, that says since Jesus died on the cross we no loner have to change or be good, because Jesus did it all, he was good for us, we cannot be good so dont even try. If you TRY TO BE GOOD you will go to hell.
seriously they actually believe this.
they say Jesus, he was good for us. So we as thiefs adulterers, robbers, fornicators can all go in as long as we pay our tithes and offeregs to these snake oil charmers.
this makes it easy for any church to gain children and young people since they dont have to repent or ive their whole lives and hearts to Jesus but just say a few words and they think they are saved.

Parents fall for this because they want their children saved, and to tell them the truth they think you are trying to send their children to hell (they are already there) and they get real mad. So it is a very strong trap of satan, and the parents support this error not realizing they do not have eternal live by just admitting a few words.
the Defvils ALSO BELIEVE and tremble
but they are not oing to heaven!
You have to OBEY and DO the word by LOVE
REPENT
REPENT and CHANGE
this is not accepted anymore
and niether will they be accepted either
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that continue to sin and break the commandments!.





it is the easy false reliion

the churches actually teach children to BREAK the law and you can o to heaven because if you KEEP the law you are doin works and will be lost

This is the enemy doctrine that will kill most christians because they did not have the oil in their lamps (Bible stud)

so when you hear "THE CROSS" what they are sayin is
"We got a free pass to heaven and we can remain sinful and we dont need the law."

These people are lost. Our job is to pray that od will remove the false teachers who are wolves in sheeps clothin and set our children free to go to Jesus and learn the joy of living in his word followin everything he said and doin it with love like his disciples did
You teach an antiChrist doctrine.
 
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You teach an antiChrist doctrine.
You miss understood 2Thewaters. People are using /twisting the new testament to try and say its okay to ignore Christ teachings:
Because its written in the New Testament to do the commandments of God. He has been posting scripture to document, so have I.

It looks as if people are ignoring scripture in order to hold on to traditional sayings and words ( which are not written ) Which teach people to ignore a lot of God's words . Like the false teaching of thinking the Ten commandments were done away with. We just documented it was not..
 
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2Thewaters

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Thank you Nathan
God bless you

the enemy knows this web site is doing Gods work
he always twists things so we misunderstand motive
let us always give everyone the benefit of the doubt
and let us speak more clearly if we can and pray

and the enemy will be driven out here

let this site be a place of the holy spirit of truth to save as many people into the kingdom as possible
God blessing us here.
 

zone

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You miss understood 2Thewaters. People are using /twisting the new testament to try and say its okay to ignore Christ teachings:
Because its written in the New Testament to do the commandments of God. He has been posting scripture to document, so have I.

It looks as if people are ignoring scripture in order to hold on to traditional sayings and words ( which are not written ) Which teach people to ignore a lot of God's words . Like the false teaching of thinking the Ten commandments were done away with. We just documented it was not..
nathan do you keep the saturday sabbath?