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If you believe that then WE could not KEEP the Sabbath, but the Sabbath would be keeping us.
For it is the HOLY SPIRIT that seals one's heart. Not something we do or do not do upon one day a week, but how the Holy Spirit changes our lives every day and every breath we take.
We find rest in Christ, but we work on any day that God calls us to work. We do whatever God asks us to do whether it be Sunday, Saturday, Monday or any other day for all the days are named after pagan gods, yet YOU still use them.
Saturday is named after the Roman god: Saturn.
I liked the title of this thread and thought it might give reassurance to those who seek to know how God has sealed their hearts.
instead I find rabid condemnation from one who does not understand how Christ is the Sabbath Rest. How the Holy Spirit is the true seal. Or how God asks His children to be a light unto the world EVERY DAY not just one day a week.
We are His ambassadors and we rest when God gives us rest and we work when God asks us to. Just as the "tithe" is not 10 percent of your earnings but 100% of your money, mind, heart, soul, time and life.
The false teachings you find is when people try and go back to teaching watered down Old Testament law. If you want to keep the Sabbath according to the OT then you must not leave your "village" gates, carry any wood (stone those who do), cook any food, SACRIFICE goats and sheep for your sins, etc.
Instead most "Sabbath keepers" make excuses as WHY they don't do certain things, yet do not realize that same reason as to WHY they should not or do not have to do the things they condemn others for not enslaving themselves to.
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anyway for those who came because of the title:
How to know if you are sealed?
You have the Holy Spirit in your heart. You have His peace and Joy. God's love overflows and gives you wisdom to speak His words of life and give hope to those around you. You have walked with the Holy Spirit and display the Fruits of love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness and self control.
you are chastened when you sin and redirected to repentance and shown His ways. You turn daily from the pursuits of the world and focus your mind upon the things of God. Your heart does not see why people chase after glittery things that fade: new cars, computers, cellphones, clothes, etc. Instead you know that true treasure is found in the smile of a small orphan child.
It might not happen overnight, but those who have been Sealed by God's Holy Spirit see the world through spiritual eyes and their priorities change from just appearing to have a form of godliness to having compassion and love and forgiveness as God has forgiven and loves us.
I pray that everyone will KNOW in their hearts the Seal of God, who is the Holy Spirit and allow Him to lead you to all Knowledge and Truth and away from the false doctrines of men who try and enslave you to more lies.
For it is the HOLY SPIRIT that seals one's heart. Not something we do or do not do upon one day a week, but how the Holy Spirit changes our lives every day and every breath we take.
We find rest in Christ, but we work on any day that God calls us to work. We do whatever God asks us to do whether it be Sunday, Saturday, Monday or any other day for all the days are named after pagan gods, yet YOU still use them.
Saturday is named after the Roman god: Saturn.
I liked the title of this thread and thought it might give reassurance to those who seek to know how God has sealed their hearts.
instead I find rabid condemnation from one who does not understand how Christ is the Sabbath Rest. How the Holy Spirit is the true seal. Or how God asks His children to be a light unto the world EVERY DAY not just one day a week.
We are His ambassadors and we rest when God gives us rest and we work when God asks us to. Just as the "tithe" is not 10 percent of your earnings but 100% of your money, mind, heart, soul, time and life.
The false teachings you find is when people try and go back to teaching watered down Old Testament law. If you want to keep the Sabbath according to the OT then you must not leave your "village" gates, carry any wood (stone those who do), cook any food, SACRIFICE goats and sheep for your sins, etc.
Instead most "Sabbath keepers" make excuses as WHY they don't do certain things, yet do not realize that same reason as to WHY they should not or do not have to do the things they condemn others for not enslaving themselves to.
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anyway for those who came because of the title:
How to know if you are sealed?
You have the Holy Spirit in your heart. You have His peace and Joy. God's love overflows and gives you wisdom to speak His words of life and give hope to those around you. You have walked with the Holy Spirit and display the Fruits of love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness and self control.
you are chastened when you sin and redirected to repentance and shown His ways. You turn daily from the pursuits of the world and focus your mind upon the things of God. Your heart does not see why people chase after glittery things that fade: new cars, computers, cellphones, clothes, etc. Instead you know that true treasure is found in the smile of a small orphan child.
It might not happen overnight, but those who have been Sealed by God's Holy Spirit see the world through spiritual eyes and their priorities change from just appearing to have a form of godliness to having compassion and love and forgiveness as God has forgiven and loves us.
I pray that everyone will KNOW in their hearts the Seal of God, who is the Holy Spirit and allow Him to lead you to all Knowledge and Truth and away from the false doctrines of men who try and enslave you to more lies.
This is just a false characterization that gullible people learn on law cultist websites and then repeat ad infinitum in order to try to find some relevance for their doctrine.
Let me state it clearly so that you can't honestly accuse of this canard again. The law of Moses was given by GOD to the circumcision. It was not, never has been, and never will be for the uncircumcision. The spiritual principles embodied in it are all fulfilled by faith in Christ and love of mankind, so that now all nations can partake of the promises and blessings.
Let me state it clearly so that you can't honestly accuse of this canard again. The law of Moses was given by GOD to the circumcision. It was not, never has been, and never will be for the uncircumcision. The spiritual principles embodied in it are all fulfilled by faith in Christ and love of mankind, so that now all nations can partake of the promises and blessings.
GOD abolished the old covenant, and with it its law. We are under a new covenant now with its own law. Jesus never once mentioned sabbath observance as being part of that law. And what he defined as the two greatest commandment of Moses' law aren't even in the 10 commandments. He is that prophet that GOD said would come after Moses, who would declare in his name new words that Israel was to follow. Those who don't obey those words are lawless. And those words are repent and believe the good news, and love one another: the two greatest commandments of the law of Moses.
I know what a seal is in a legal sense, but in the religious sense I imagine it involves some sort of ceremony to make it official. I'm a genealogist by hobby and was quite surprised to discover some years ago that my great-great grandfather had been sealed by someone within the Mormon faith. I suppose that means I have some Mormon cousins somewhere who carried out the ceremony.
Do you mean sealed, as in the Mormon sense?
Do you mean sealed, as in the Mormon sense?
Isa 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law [SUP]H8451=Torah=instructions[/SUP] among my disciples[SUP]H3928=limmud=instructed[/SUP].
Isa 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law[SUP]H8451=Torah=Instructions[/SUP]; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings (insults).
Isa 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law[SUP]H8451=Torah=Instructions[/SUP]; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings (insults).
[h=2]How to know if you are sealed[/h]
The Seal of the United States
The seal of the United States, as in the fore going diagram, gives the name of the first President, his office, and the territory over which he presides.
The Seal of God
Elohim - Creator - Heaven and earth. The seal of God, is the same. It gives the one in authority, His office and also the territory over which He presides. This seal is found in the law of God. A seal is inseparable from law. You remove the fourth commandment from the ten, and there is no authority left in the code of law.
The Seal of God in the Forehead
Asthe saved ones are being sealed with the seal of God in their foreheads, those traveling the broad way of the world are receiving the mark of the beast in their foreheads. This angel saying with a "LOUD VOICE," having the seal of God, is spoken of also as the - "Loud Voice Angel" - in Revelation 14:9, the third angel, who also gives the warning against beast worship, and receiving his mark in their foreheads and their hands to drink of the wine of the wrath of God, the seven last plagues (Rev. 15:1, and 16:1).
The Holy Spirit is the power that does the sealing, by placing the "Seal of God" in the foreheads of the pure in heart. The Holy Spirit is not the seal, but it is the power by which the sealing is done. Just as the seal of state or nation is placed on a document to make it legal by the one who transacts the business, so is
"The Seal of God" placed in the forehead, or in the mind of the person, by the Holy Spirit. The seal of state is placed on the document by a machine operated by the man. The seal is not the machine or the manand so is also the seal of God something different from the Holy Spirit that does the work of sealing.
The Seal of the United States
The seal of the United States, as in the fore going diagram, gives the name of the first President, his office, and the territory over which he presides.
The Seal of God
Elohim - Creator - Heaven and earth. The seal of God, is the same. It gives the one in authority, His office and also the territory over which He presides. This seal is found in the law of God. A seal is inseparable from law. You remove the fourth commandment from the ten, and there is no authority left in the code of law.
The Seal of God in the Forehead
Asthe saved ones are being sealed with the seal of God in their foreheads, those traveling the broad way of the world are receiving the mark of the beast in their foreheads. This angel saying with a "LOUD VOICE," having the seal of God, is spoken of also as the - "Loud Voice Angel" - in Revelation 14:9, the third angel, who also gives the warning against beast worship, and receiving his mark in their foreheads and their hands to drink of the wine of the wrath of God, the seven last plagues (Rev. 15:1, and 16:1).
The Holy Spirit is the power that does the sealing, by placing the "Seal of God" in the foreheads of the pure in heart. The Holy Spirit is not the seal, but it is the power by which the sealing is done. Just as the seal of state or nation is placed on a document to make it legal by the one who transacts the business, so is
"The Seal of God" placed in the forehead, or in the mind of the person, by the Holy Spirit. The seal of state is placed on the document by a machine operated by the man. The seal is not the machine or the manand so is also the seal of God something different from the Holy Spirit that does the work of sealing.
You say GOD abolished the Old Testament. So WRONG! What is the "Good News"? Yeshua/Jesus came to announce to the House of Israel and House of Judah (who were split and prophecied that they would be brought back together and be in one kingdom again) that He came to announce that the Kingdom of God/Heaven was near. What was near? The bringing back the two kingdoms under one kingdom, with Yeshua/Jesus as the King of kings and Lord of lords. Also, the Good News was that whomsoever can join the Israelites and The Kingdom of God/Heaven. The entire Bible is about the rejoining of the Kingdom with all 12 tribes and all those who want to join. Yeshua/Jesus death, burial and resurrection made it possible for the divorced house of Israel to remarry God, through the secret and mystery plan of Salvation. Yeshua means God's salvation. The Bible is like an onion. Each time you study, an old layer (which is still truth) peels away and a new layer of onion skin is revealed. A cycle hopefully that will never end until I am with Yeshua in His Kingdom and serving Him.
No, the Old Covenant is obsolete and ready to vanish away...
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Is there any difference between being ready to eat and already have eaten?
Try being ready to eat without eating for about 10 days and report back to us if there is a difference.
He never once mentioned bowing down to idols so I guess that one is out the window to.
Smoke and Mirrors again. The Two Great Commands are not contained in the Ten Commandments, the Ten Commandments are contained in the Two Great Commands. The Two Great Commands are contained in the One Great Command: LOVE.
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Is there any difference between being ready to eat and already have eaten?
Try being ready to eat without eating for about 10 days and report back to us if there is a difference.
He never once mentioned bowing down to idols so I guess that one is out the window to.
Smoke and Mirrors again. The Two Great Commands are not contained in the Ten Commandments, the Ten Commandments are contained in the Two Great Commands. The Two Great Commands are contained in the One Great Command: LOVE.
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Is? That was written nearly 1900 years ago. If that which was obsolete and on the verge of vanishing in ancient history, what could it possibly be now? It is gone; it WAS. The old covenant now only exists in people's minds who seem to have an historical myopia through which they think the bible revolves around themselves and the current time.
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Well I am truly sorry for you...
Deu 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Deu 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
How about pointing out to me when it vanished away? Interestingly enough, the New Covenant was built on the same Laws.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Adn that is a quote from Jer 31:33 and the word is Torah. So if the Law is not written in your heart and mind then I agree, you are not of the circumcision.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Adn that is a quote from Jer 31:33 and the word is Torah. So if the Law is not written in your heart and mind then I agree, you are not of the circumcision.
How about you pointing out how something that was obsolete and on the verge of vanishing nearly 2 millennia ago could possibly be in force today? It was a national covenant so it is reasonable to assume that the covenant passed away when the nation did, in 70 AD.
As I mentioned another time, torah is a Hebrew word meaning law. To say that it can only refer to the law of Moses is like saying that the English word law written in a book about England by an English author can only mean English law.
As I mentioned another time, torah is a Hebrew word meaning law. To say that it can only refer to the law of Moses is like saying that the English word law written in a book about England by an English author can only mean English law.
What Do We Mean by the Term "Torah?"The Hebrew word, torah (תורה), is derived from a root that was used in the realm of archery, yareh (ירה). Yareh means to shoot an arrow in order to hit a mark. The mark or target, of course, was the object at which the archer was aiming. Consequently, torah, one of the nouns derived from this root, is, therefore, the arrow aimed at the mark, The target is the truth about God and how one relates to Him. The torah is, therefore, in the strict sense instruction designed to teach us the truth about God. Torah means direction,teaching, instruction,or doctrine.We should note that the usual translation of this word as law is not quite accurate.[SUP][1][/SUP] One of the most common ways that torah (תורה) is rendered in the Septuagint (LXX)[SUP][2][/SUP] is by using the word nomosv, nomo?. The Greek word nomos, however, has a variety of uses, among which, to be sure, is law, but it is certainly not limited to law. Following the precedent set by the LXX, the Newer Covenant Scriptures consistently render the Hebrew torah by the term nomos. This is where things begin to become confusing. Sometimes, in the Newer Covenant Scriptures, it is appropriate to translate nomos as law. However, other times it is more appropriate to render it as God's teaching/instruction, or simply to transliterate the term as Torah. The context of the word is always the final determiner of its meaning.There are at least two other related Hebrew words derived from the same root as torah. The first is the word for teacher, moreh (מורה). A moreh is one who imparts instruction to his/her students. The second important word is parent, horeh (הורה). This indicates to us that one of the primary roles for a parent is to teach and instruct the child.