Woman should not teach or assume authority over men (applies to secular????)
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Men have authority ovr a woman in God eyes, can't argue w/ that. Yet God can give woman leadership positions sometimes, Miriam was a prophetess, theirs Deborah who was a judge ovr Israel, and Anna who was a priestess, etc. Honestly I don't understand? Since it says "assume" does that mean women just need permission from men to have a leadership role? Men have authority ovr a woman in God eyes, can't argue w/ that. Yet God can give woman leadership positions sometimes, Miriam was a prophetess, theirs Deborah who was a judge ovr Israel, and Anna who was a priestess, etc. Honestly I don't understand? Since it says "assume" does that mean women just need permission from men to have a leadership role?
But if you insist on just taking this to be literal, then why not the whole thing too?
The head of EVERY woman is the man, and the head of EVERY man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God.
So women are saved by men and should worship every man who's head is Christ?
NO! This is symbolic.
I read a few verses and its pretty symbolic. The great city sounds like Jerusalem. I remember scripture describing Jerusalem as a woman. That are it may be the bride of Christ.
Anyways... I think your on a mission. I know via scripture that men have been given authority in family and in church. That's without question. That's clear. I'm trying to find out more.
Anyways... I think your on a mission. I know via scripture that men have been given authority in family and in church. That's without question. That's clear. I'm trying to find out more.
T
The scriptures are clear that women should not speak in church. Even if women does SOMETIMES refer to wisdom (which it does SOMETIMES) the scriptures clearly show women speaking is against God's word.
There is an idea of different roles but equality that the world (nonbelievers) doesn't grasp. God has different roles for men and women. Women which represent the church will be married to man, which represent christ. This is the key reason why Men speak and not Women in the church. Christ will be our leader, just like men (which represent christ in a marriage) are the leader now (in the church).
1 Corinthians 14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
If women is referring to wisdom here then you are saying let wisdom keep silence in the churches. Does that make sense to you?
There is an idea of different roles but equality that the world (nonbelievers) doesn't grasp. God has different roles for men and women. Women which represent the church will be married to man, which represent christ. This is the key reason why Men speak and not Women in the church. Christ will be our leader, just like men (which represent christ in a marriage) are the leader now (in the church).
1 Corinthians 14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
If women is referring to wisdom here then you are saying let wisdom keep silence in the churches. Does that make sense to you?
No, I think it is entirely a role within the leadership of the Church and Christian marriages. In all things, the Church is to reflect a willing submissiveness to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. In fact those role differences are there in Christian marriages, so that by them we can show the unsaved World what a geniune believer's relationship with the LORD is really like. Does that make GOD's intended role for women, less important than the role of men in the Church? NO, Both roles are equally important. The men by taking leadership and teaching roles in the Church, influence this generation; the role of women is to teach the younger women and the children; therefore through their teaching younger women how to teach their children, and grandchildren; WOMEN have influence over the next TWO generations. I would say that makes a woman's role, the most important, that is if the rest of you men want to get out that yard stick and measure.
What say we just leave it at the roles are equal?
Proof that it does not apply to the secular world:
Exodus 23:2-3 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] “You must not follow a crowd in wrongdoing. Do not testify in a lawsuit and go along with a crowd to pervert ⌊justice⌋.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Do not show favoritism to a poor person in his lawsuit.
Try to promote only men in your business, and GOD will not bless your business.
Acts 10:34 (NIV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] Then Peter began to speak: "I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism
Romans 2:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] There is no favoritism with God.
1 Peter 2:13-15 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
wwwquestions.org/woman-president.html.got
Judges 4:4 (ESV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time.
Interesting that an article written by man overrides God's word, yes? If it never should have happened, why did God give the army victory? We see times when the Israelites were outside of God's will and they lost their battles. Yet, Deborah led them to victory. Hmmm. But, by all means, listen to the opinion of man.
T
I agree with you that an article of man doesn't overrule the bible. In worldly terms it may "should have never happened" the same way many people think Obama "should have never happened" as well as many leaders of the world, but God uses authority to do his will rather we see it or not so clearly God planned for Deborah to be whatever it says she was in the bible, which is a judge and a prophetess. The fact of the matter is though that there ARE scriptures saying women should not speak in the church. So then the question is did she lead in the church? I do not have an answer because I am not familiar with this section and it is 2 am here so I don't feel up to becoming familiar. If you have scripture showing she led in the church that would be quite interesting. Until then her leading in battle is fine, because the scripture is purely talking about head of church and head of family. Still the scriptures say what the scriptures say, and they say women should not speak. Not our of favoritism for men, but because that is not their assigned role. If you view that as unequal well that's on you, because clearly what God views as equal is women not being pastors and speaking in the church, but teaching the children and the younger women.
She was a prophetess of God and I'm sure she spoke not only to women the things of God. She was also a judge over Israel, God's chosen people, and that included the men. There wasn't a temple at that time, though there was a tabernacle, but I am not sure where she shared what God revealed, but they acknowledge that she was a prophetess and that she was one for God.
No, they did not function like Pastors. Laboring in the Gospel, is ALL OF OUR JOBS. It is the Pastors job to teach us how to do the work of the ministry, it as OUR JOB to get out there and witness the gospel to our friends, neighbors, and co-workers, thereby DOING THE WORK OF THE MINISTRY.
I was standing right next to the Pastor in the foyrer, one Sunday Morning in a Church I attended SEVERAL years ago. One of the ladies walked up to Pastor and seriously asked, "Pastor, when are you going to come and witness to my neighbor?"
Pastor responded, "You asked the wrong question. The question is, 'When are you going to witness to your neighbor?' "
I was standing right next to the Pastor in the foyrer, one Sunday Morning in a Church I attended SEVERAL years ago. One of the ladies walked up to Pastor and seriously asked, "Pastor, when are you going to come and witness to my neighbor?"
Pastor responded, "You asked the wrong question. The question is, 'When are you going to witness to your neighbor?' "
K
Beware of Patriarchy movements. Those ideas are not based on Biblical wisdom, rather on biblical times customs. We must follow Biblical principles, not rules of Biblical times. Very different. To know what these movements are go here --------------------------->What are the Quiverfull and Patriarchy movements?
A godly woman will know what her priorities are (her family) but that doesn't mean necessarily that she will never be in the workforce in her life. Also, people must remember that just like everyone else, women are not married all the time you know. I'm 21 and looking for a job, and I have no idea when (or if) I'm gonna get married. I would hate to be restricted on my job options just because of my gender. I have no husband, and my parents aren't gonna provide for me all my life, and they are already struggling as they are. Also, and more importantly, I'm a person. God created me with the same value he did a man and this is a bit too restrictive. Those passages talk about church relationships. I submit to my husband when I have one, not to all men, unless all men want to pay for my needs then maybe we could talk
The only principle to remember is : As with all things, man or woman, all things should be done in a way that glorifies the Lord (1 Cor 10:31). A woman in the workplace and in a position of leadership should still conduct herself as a woman, and respect men, as would an employer or boss with anyone. If her job is hindering her to glorify the Lord, then yes, glorifying the Lord is more important. But really, there is no rule in the Bible that says a woman cannot have a position of leadership in the world. Personally, I am glad there are female doctors, female nurses, female teachers, and female whatevers contributing in the world. I find these man made rules to be stumbling blocks to others, and very pharisee like.
Someone calling me a Feminist in 3.................2............1..............
A godly woman will know what her priorities are (her family) but that doesn't mean necessarily that she will never be in the workforce in her life. Also, people must remember that just like everyone else, women are not married all the time you know
. I'm 21 and looking for a job, and I have no idea when (or if) I'm gonna get married. I would hate to be restricted on my job options just because of my gender. I have no husband, and my parents aren't gonna provide for me all my life, and they are already struggling as they are. Also, and more importantly, I'm a person. God created me with the same value he did a man and this is a bit too restrictive. Those passages talk about church relationships. I submit to my husband when I have one, not to all men, unless all men want to pay for my needs then maybe we could talk The only principle to remember is : As with all things, man or woman, all things should be done in a way that glorifies the Lord (1 Cor 10:31). A woman in the workplace and in a position of leadership should still conduct herself as a woman, and respect men, as would an employer or boss with anyone. If her job is hindering her to glorify the Lord, then yes, glorifying the Lord is more important. But really, there is no rule in the Bible that says a woman cannot have a position of leadership in the world. Personally, I am glad there are female doctors, female nurses, female teachers, and female whatevers contributing in the world. I find these man made rules to be stumbling blocks to others, and very pharisee like.
Someone calling me a Feminist in 3.................2............1..............
Beware of Patriarchy movements. Those ideas are not based on Biblical wisdom, rather on biblical times customs. We must follow Biblical principles, not rules of Biblical times. Very different. To know what these movements are go here --------------------------->What are the Quiverfull and Patriarchy movements?
A godly woman will know what her priorities are (her family) but that doesn't mean necessarily that she will never be in the workforce in her life. Also, people must remember that just like everyone else, women are not married all the time you know. I'm 21 and looking for a job, and I have no idea when (or if) I'm gonna get married. I would hate to be restricted on my job options just because of my gender. I have no husband, and my parents aren't gonna provide for me all my life, and they are already struggling as they are. Also, and more importantly, I'm a person. God created me with the same value he did a man and this is a bit too restrictive. Those passages talk about church relationships. I submit to my husband when I have one, not to all men, unless all men want to pay for my needs then maybe we could talk
The only principle to remember is : As with all things, man or woman, all things should be done in a way that glorifies the Lord (1 Cor 10:31). A woman in the workplace and in a position of leadership should still conduct herself as a woman, and respect men, as would an employer or boss with anyone. If her job is hindering her to glorify the Lord, then yes, glorifying the Lord is more important. But really, there is no rule in the Bible that says a woman cannot have a position of leadership in the world. Personally, I am glad there are female doctors, female nurses, female teachers, and female whatevers contributing in the world. I find these man made rules to be stumbling blocks to others, and very pharisee like.
Someone calling me a Feminist in 3.................2............1..............
A godly woman will know what her priorities are (her family) but that doesn't mean necessarily that she will never be in the workforce in her life. Also, people must remember that just like everyone else, women are not married all the time you know
. I'm 21 and looking for a job, and I have no idea when (or if) I'm gonna get married. I would hate to be restricted on my job options just because of my gender. I have no husband, and my parents aren't gonna provide for me all my life, and they are already struggling as they are. Also, and more importantly, I'm a person. God created me with the same value he did a man and this is a bit too restrictive. Those passages talk about church relationships. I submit to my husband when I have one, not to all men, unless all men want to pay for my needs then maybe we could talk The only principle to remember is : As with all things, man or woman, all things should be done in a way that glorifies the Lord (1 Cor 10:31). A woman in the workplace and in a position of leadership should still conduct herself as a woman, and respect men, as would an employer or boss with anyone. If her job is hindering her to glorify the Lord, then yes, glorifying the Lord is more important. But really, there is no rule in the Bible that says a woman cannot have a position of leadership in the world. Personally, I am glad there are female doctors, female nurses, female teachers, and female whatevers contributing in the world. I find these man made rules to be stumbling blocks to others, and very pharisee like.
Someone calling me a Feminist in 3.................2............1..............
You might want add to that list female police officers, female correctional officers (they get paid more), and female military officers. I was day dreaming as I walked to my car one time when I was in the last year of a four year US Air Force enlistment, and I failed to salute a female Officer. OH BOY, did I find out she was in a position of authority, fast. Then in my panic, I goofed again and said by accident Yes Sir, instead of Yes Mam; and I got to stand at attention even longer while I got the lecture of "Do I look like a Sir to you SSgt.!" How embarrassing, because it was right during shift change, with all kinds of people walking past me laughing.
One last thing, has anyone mentioned yet that the role of a husband, includes loving His wife, just like Christ loved the Church . . . . . . . . . AND THAT IS SELF-SACRIFICIALLY.
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1) Do you attend a church/congregational worship service?
2) Do the women that are there sing when hymns are sung?
3) Do the women there pray?
4) Do the women there own/hold a Bible?
5) Do the women there attend a Sunday School/Bible Study Class?
(edited: never mind, I just read your profile..............talk to your Mom about all of this ok?)
2) Do the women that are there sing when hymns are sung?
3) Do the women there pray?
4) Do the women there own/hold a Bible?
5) Do the women there attend a Sunday School/Bible Study Class?
(edited: never mind, I just read your profile..............talk to your Mom about all of this ok?)
