Expounding on the Feasts of the Lord

[jag1977]

Like I have said many times....the old is the foundation of the new. Burn offerings and sacrifices are just as spiritual as they are literal. What....you think God just loves you?

 

[john832]

I have always correlated Pentecost with the giving of the law which is 50 days after Passover.

Technically, Petecost is calculated as the 50th day after the Wave Sheaf offering. The Wave Sheaf is always the first dayof the week following the weekly Sabbath that falls within the Days of Unleavened Bread.

 

[JaumeJ]

I hope this is helpful.

Lev 23:16
(ASV)
even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meal-offering unto Jehovah.
(Brenton)
until the morrow after the last week ye shall number fifty days, and shall bring a new meat-offering to the Lord.
(CEV)
Do this exactly fifty days later, which is the day following the seventh Sabbath.
(Darby)
even unto the morning after the seventh sabbath shall ye count fifty days; and ye shall present a new oblation to Jehovah.
(DRB)
Even unto the morrow after the seventh week be expired, that is to say, fifty days: and so you shall offer a new sacrifice to the Lord.
(FDB)
vous compterez cinquante jours jusqu'au lendemain du septième sabbat, et vous présenterez à l'Éternel une offrande de gâteau nouvelle;
(FLS)
Vous compterez cinquante jours jusqu'au lendemain du septième sabbat; et vous ferez à l'Éternel une offrande nouvelle.
(HOT)
עד ממחרת השׁבת השׁביעת תספרו חמשׁים יום והקרבתם מנחה חדשׁה ליהוה׃
(HOT+)
עד[SUP]H5704 ממחרתH4283 השׁבתH7676 השׁביעתH7637 תספרוH5608 חמשׁיםH2572 יוםH3117 והקרבתםH7126 מנחהH4503 חדשׁהH2319 ליהוה׃H3068 [/SUP]
[SUP](INR)
Conterete cinquanta giorni fino all'indomani del settimo sabato e offrirete al SIGNORE una nuova oblazione.
(IRL)
Conterete cinquanta giorni fino all'indomani del settimo sabato, e offrirete all'Eterno una nuova oblazione.
(ISV)
Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath, then bring a new meal offering to the LORD.
(JPS)
even unto the morrow after the seventh week shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall present a new meal-offering unto the LORD.
(KJV)
Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
(KJV+)
Even untoH5704 the morrowH4480 H4283 after the seventhH7637 sabbathH7676 shall ye numberH5608 fiftyH2572 days;H3117 and ye shall offerH7126 a newH2319 meat offeringH4503 unto the LORD.H3068
(ROB)
Până la ziua întâi de după cea din urmă zi a săptămânii a şaptea, să număraţi cincizeci de zile şi atunci să aduceţi un nou dar de pâine Domnului.
(SSE)
hasta el siguiente día del sábado séptimo contaréis cincuenta días; entonces ofreceréis nuevo presente al SEÑOR.
(Vulgate)
usque ad alteram diem expletionis ebdomadae septimae id est quinquaginta dies et sic offeretis sacrificium novum Domino
(Webster)
Even to the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat-offering to the LORD.
　
[/SUP]

 

[zone]

Thanks for the link.

And yes how true about how well the chosen ones of God have been faithful to keep those scrolls! God knew they would! He knows all about it. I have such love for God's people and have since I was little, and know He has a beautiful plan to open any unbelieving eyes. What a joy that day will be!!

yet they don't believe - do you know why?
it has to do with them not understanding the feasts.
like ppl in this thread.

 

[john832]

I have always correlated Pentecost with the giving of the law which are both 50 days after Passover.

Although there is no scripture that outright says that the Law was given to Israel on Pentecost, there is much anecdotal evidence and I have always believed that also.

 

[zone]

Anyone ever notice that there are those who honestly share their views on scriptures, ask honest questions and discuss the Word in order to grow? and then there are those...

i'm searching as we speak for your exact words (heretical btw)...just so i get your honest views.
you want me to quote you exactly, ya?

 

[just-me]

The count is to the day after the seventh sabbath, that is after the cricifixion. The wording is a bit tricky in the Bible at times, so if you have a digital Bible like e-Sword or TheWord, it helps to do a comparison with other verions of the Word. I will do one, and paste it in a few minutes...God bless you.

Thank you.

 

[just-me]

Although there is no scripture that outright says that the Law was given to Israel on Pentecost, there is much anecdotal evidence and I have always believed that also.

I have done the count if you are interested.
let me know.
We have gone through this before and didn't come to an agreement, so I really don't want to rehash things. OK? just edifying here. Blessings to you.

 

[zone]

Reading Revelations about the last days makes me think about the feasts, it all ties in, does it not?

the last days of the Jewish Nation's exclusivity and temple and Old Covenant, yes dear.
it all fits.

 

[jag1977]

Well I guess we can all heal and prophesy and do all works of the spirit. Everyone here has it figured out!

 

[zone]

I absolutely DO NOT believe in animal sacrifices for sin, that is one more of your absurd twists and lies. The truth is animal sacrifices NEVER paid for sin...

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

They were the remembrance and as Paul said in Galations...

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

They were the schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

As far as #2 up there, when did Christ return? If all is fulfilled He must have returned. When was Satan incarcerated as per Rev 20:1-3? Seems to me he is still walking about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. When did the Twelve begin ruling on the twelve tribes of Israel?

Mat 19:28 So Jesus said to them, "Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Rev 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

And Ms Zone, one would have thought there would have been at least a slight mention of this in the history books. Had you read anything I have posted, instead of being too busy slandering me and many others, you would have known I do not teach animal sacrifices for sin. Oh well...

Mat 13:11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

john:

do you have Zechariah 14 future...in Jerusalem...with a Temple?
Zechariah was written before Nehemiah and Ezra.
are they all future?



Zechariah 14
16Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lordb will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.



Nehemiah 8
13On the second day of the month, the heads of all the families, along with the priests and the Levites, gathered around Ezra the teacher to give attention to the words of the Law. 14They found written in the Law, which the Lord had commanded through Moses, that the Israelites were to live in temporary shelters during the festival of the seventh month 15and that they should proclaim this word and spread it throughout their towns and in Jerusalem: “Go out into the hill country and bring back branches from olive and wild olive trees, and from myrtles, palms and shade trees, to make temporary shelters”—as it is written.b

16So the people went out and brought back branches and built themselves temporary shelters on their own roofs, in their courtyards, in the courts of the house of God and in the square by the Water Gate and the one by the Gate of Ephraim. 17The whole company that had returned from exile built temporary shelters and lived in them. From the days of Joshua son of Nun until that day, the Israelites had not celebrated it like this. And their joy was very great.

18Day after day, from the first day to the last, Ezra read from the Book of the Law of God. They celebrated the festival for seven days, and on the eighth day, in accordance with the regulation, there was an assembly.



Ezra 7
Ezra Comes to Jerusalem
King Artaxerxes’ Letter to Ezra
21Now I, King Artaxerxes, decree that all the treasurers of Trans-Euphrates are to provide with diligence whatever Ezra the priest, the teacher of the Law of the God of heaven, may ask of you— 22up to a hundred talentsa of silver, a hundred corsb of wheat, a hundred bathsc of wine, a hundred bathsd of olive oil, and salt without limit. 23Whatever the God of heaven has prescribed, let it be done with diligence for the temple of the God of heaven. Why should his wrath fall on the realm of the king and of his sons? 24You are also to know that you have no authority to impose taxes, tribute or duty on any of the priests, Levites, musicians, gatekeepers, temple servants or other workers at this house of God.

25And you, Ezra, in accordance with the wisdom of your God, which you possess, appoint magistrates and judges to administer justice to all the people of Trans-Euphrates—all who know the laws of your God. And you are to teach any who do not know them. 26Whoever does not obey the law of your God and the law of the king must surely be punished by death, banishment, confiscation of property, or imprisonment.

 

[just-me]

I hope this is helpful.

Lev 23:16
(ASV)
even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meal-offering unto Jehovah.
(Brenton)
until the morrow after the last week ye shall number fifty days, and shall bring a new meat-offering to the Lord.
(CEV)
Do this exactly fifty days later, which is the day following the seventh Sabbath.
(Darby)
even unto the morning after the seventh sabbath shall ye count fifty days; and ye shall present a new oblation to Jehovah.
(DRB)
Even unto the morrow after the seventh week be expired, that is to say, fifty days: and so you shall offer a new sacrifice to the Lord.
(FDB)
vous compterez cinquante jours jusqu'au lendemain du septième sabbat, et vous présenterez à l'Éternel une offrande de gâteau nouvelle;
(FLS)
Vous compterez cinquante jours jusqu'au lendemain du septième sabbat; et vous ferez à l'Éternel une offrande nouvelle.
(HOT)
עד ממחרת השׁבת השׁביעת תספרו חמשׁים יום והקרבתם מנחה חדשׁה ליהוה׃
(HOT+)
עד[SUP]H5704 ממחרתH4283 השׁבתH7676 השׁביעתH7637 תספרוH5608 חמשׁיםH2572 יוםH3117 והקרבתםH7126 מנחהH4503 חדשׁהH2319 ליהוה׃H3068 [/SUP]
[SUP](INR)
Conterete cinquanta giorni fino all'indomani del settimo sabato e offrirete al SIGNORE una nuova oblazione.
(IRL)
Conterete cinquanta giorni fino all'indomani del settimo sabato, e offrirete all'Eterno una nuova oblazione.
(ISV)
Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath, then bring a new meal offering to the LORD.
(JPS)
even unto the morrow after the seventh week shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall present a new meal-offering unto the LORD.
(KJV)
Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
(KJV+)
Even untoH5704 the morrowH4480 H4283 after the seventhH7637 sabbathH7676 shall ye numberH5608 fiftyH2572 days;H3117 and ye shall offerH7126 a newH2319 meat offeringH4503 unto the LORD.H3068
(ROB)
Până la ziua întâi de după cea din urmă zi a săptămânii a şaptea, să număraţi cincizeci de zile şi atunci să aduceţi un nou dar de pâine Domnului.
(SSE)
hasta el siguiente día del sábado séptimo contaréis cincuenta días; entonces ofreceréis nuevo presente al SEÑOR.
(Vulgate)
usque ad alteram diem expletionis ebdomadae septimae id est quinquaginta dies et sic offeretis sacrificium novum Domino
(Webster)
Even to the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat-offering to the LORD.
　
[/SUP]

How do you read this? start counting after 7 weeks, or start counting 7 weeks after the Sabbath being the third week of the first month.

until the morrow after the last week ye shall number fifty days, and shall bring a new meat-offering to the Lord.

I cater to this one

The question would then be ..... the last week of what?

 

[john832]

Originally Posted by JaumeJ The count is to the day after the seventh sabbath, that is after the cricifixion. The wording is a bit tricky in the Bible at times, so if you have a digital Bible like e-Sword or TheWord, it helps to do a comparison with other verions of the Word. I will do one, and paste it in a few minutes...God bless you.

Thank you.

It becomes more clear when you read verse 15 just before verse 16...

Lev 23:15 'And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed.

The count begins on the "day after the Sabbath" which is a Sunday. Sunday plus 50 days is a Sunday. Pentecost always falls on a Sunday.

The weekly Sabbath, the Wave Sheaf and Pentecost are the only Feasts that fall on a fixed day of the week.

 

[zone]

Zone, I am trying to learn something that is important to me

is it important for you to know Jesus fulfilled the feasts?

or would you be disappointed?

Everybody does not think like you do, therefore, not interested in specific things you are.

i'm interested in the feasts.
they pointed to Christ.
He is my interest.

not building booths or sweeping yeast.

I for instance, though am new, have noticed how some here like to go after denominations. I have no interest in that for reason I have no affiliations with any, nor do I plan to. I am interested in what the Bible says, and to understand what it says. I have not read anything about what you describe, and have appreciated John's insight so far.

Nevertheless, whatever the case may be, I am a big girl and am certainly not accustomed to being talked to like I am a dog. I am shocked. frankly, by your rudeness

well it's nice you've changed you tone since you started posting.
will it continue?

and, what will you say when you discover john believes God is returning us to animal sacrifices in a future Millennium?
nothing, no doubt.

 

[jag1977]

No there is going to be no animal sacrifices. Just spiritual.

 

[john832]

That would be approximately the end of the forth month. From Passover to the resurrection of Christ is only 43 days not 50.

I am really not understanding this. Pentecost does not fall on a day of the month, it is always 50 days after the day after the Sabbath within the Days of Unleavened Bread. It does not have a month-day fixed date.

 

[john832]

No there is going to be no animal sacrifices. Just spiritual.

Ah, but Ezekiel says there will be in the Millenium. Take a read of Ezekiel 40 - 48.

 

[jag1977]

Nah you post it for us all to interpret

 

[just-me]

It becomes more clear when you read verse 15 just before verse 16...

Lev 23:15 'And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed.

The count begins on the "day after the Sabbath" which is a Sunday. Sunday plus 50 days is a Sunday. Pentecost always falls on a Sunday.

The weekly Sabbath, the Wave Sheaf and Pentecost are the only Feasts that fall on a fixed day of the week.

That would be approximately the beginning of the 3rd month that began the count. Then 7 weeks would be approximately in the end of the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] month leaving 2 1/2 months between first fruits, and the late harvest in the seventh month. Then there is no harvests leaving 9 months wit no harvest. From Passover to the resurrection of Christ is only 43 days not 50. Do I have this right?

 

[jag1977]

Lol....why is such delight taken in these subjects? It N/A