Do you support female pastors?

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Shoud a woman be a pastor overseeing men?

  • Yes, I believe the bible support it.

    Votes: 32 23.7%

  • No, I believe it is unbiblical.

    Votes: 85 63.0%

  • Yes, because the although the bible speaks against it, times are changing.

    Votes: 4 3.0%

  • I will explain my view in my response below.

    Votes: 16 11.9%
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tucksma

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I didn't say not everyone can be inspired, but at the same time anyone can say they are inspired and it not be true. God would not inspire someone to do something against his word. His word tells us that women cannot lead the church (again unless you can show otherwise). Therefore for God to inspire a woman to lead a church, he would be going against his own word. Does God seem like a God to do that?
 
jag1977

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That is your interpretation of the word of another man who was "inspired by God" to speak something that is rooted in hell and not truth. I suspect it was put in there for other reasons but not from the truth of God. For with God all things that are of God are meat for us. Those scriptures understood your way is not nourishment to anyone but your wickedness.
 
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tucksma

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jag1977 said:
That is your interpretation of the word of another man who was "inspired by God" to speak something that is rooted in hell and not truth. I suspect it was put in there for other reasons but not from the truth of God. For with God all things that are of God are meat for us. Those scriptures understood your way is not nourishment to anyone but your wickedness.
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So you are saying part of the bible is not inspired?

Can I ask for your evidence? Just because you don't personally agree with it doesn't make it not inspired.
 
Lyta137

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Okay women shouldn't be pastors because it is unbibilical...and then?
 
jag1977

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Actually preachers and pastors preach....pastors also care for the church members on a personal level. Harvesting souls?
 
Lyta137

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tucksma said:
One thing I think you are misunderstanding is we are not saying women cannot preach, we are saying they cannot lead a church...

Also its not demonic, just unbiblical. There is a difference...
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Oh so now we can preach? thought you were gonna defend and quote the great apostle Paul when he said, 1 tim 2:11-12 "Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach...

Of course its not demonic, but some people are castigating it like it is.
Thanx for your post though Tucksma, i appreciate it.:)
 
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jag1977 said:
Actually preachers and pastors preach....pastors also care for the church members on a personal level. Harvesting souls?
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Exactly, thank you for that wonderful comment. Actually that's what im trying to put across, that pastors preach and when they preach people hear the Word and some will come to Christ, also called soul winning or soul harvesting. Im sorry if the term I used was a little unfamiliar but that's what I meant.
God bless:)
 
jag1977

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Yep makes no sense sound agenda driven to me.
 
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GoDsPetMonKeY

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I see reoccurring discrepancy of the contextual variance.

There is little discussion on reason for such biblical statements by Paul, where there is methodology there is reason. For all intents and purposes let’s say God told Paul help out timothy to maintain the peace.

I read a word where Paul is indeed inspired to make sure the work of the gospel is treated preciously and progressed most proficiently. This is in a time where women have almost no rights, authority or education and by societies standards in no way can be taken seriously as speakers let alone leaders. There is emphasis on the maintenance of peace, order and a quiet life. I think most can agree this had influence on the result.

Here is what I am getting at. I see a formulation that occurred.

Not

Because you are this gender this is what must be.


Rather

Because of the social standing of your gender this is what it must be.

Now this may not seem like a big deal at first glance but what at first glance was a gender issue is in fact a social issue that just happens to be a certain gender.

They couldn’t see a world where women were leaders.

I find this beautiful and ingenious, of course it is. Paul is giving women purpose in the ministry in a time where little to no acknowledgement was given. God inspired Paul in a socially relevant way. Man…Timmy was even circumcised for some relevancy.

But now society has shifted and yes those women of the past social era are not allowed pastorship, well those women are no longer around. The same social class is no longer around.

Some are willing to say that women can teach like leaders, mentor like leaders, have task normally assigned to leaders but simply cannot be called pastors? Are you really holding onto a semantic technicality? You can’t be okay with someone doing the labor but not having the title. You are either for or against both. This word may just be inspiring me in a different way.

South Korea already has a female president, so they may be okay with it over there.
 
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DragonSlayer

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No, I don't, because God gave different roles for men and women and we have to respect the roles God has established.

It's written : " Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. " 1 Timothy 2 : 7-15

Plain and simple. The Word is clear.


 
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john832

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DragonSlayer said:
It's written : " Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. " 1 Timothy 2 : 7-15

Plain and simple. The Word is clear.
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Dragonslayer my friend, there are many plain and simple passages in the scripture but that doesn't seem to stand in some people's way. Don't confuse 'em with facts, their mind is made up.
 
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DragonSlayer

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john832 said:
Dragonslayer my friend, there are many plain and simple passages in the scripture but that doesn't seem to stand in some people's way. Don't confuse 'em with facts, their mind is made up.
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Facts ? All the twelve Apostles Jesus chose were Men without exception !
And the twelve Apostles ( with Paul as the 12th ) will be the eternal pillars and leaders of Israel
in the New Jerusalem and on the New Earth !
 
just-me

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I would like to know why this question was posed in the first place. Do we actually think that God will change His Word because we want something different than what He originally ordained? Keep wishin'. There is no changing with God according to our desire. We follow the Word,and the Word don't follow us. His Word is VERY plain concerning this question. The answer is "NO."

James 1:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Do not err, my beloved brethren.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
 
Misty77

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just-me said:
I would like to know why this question was posed in the first place. Do we actually think that God will change His Word because we want something different than what He originally ordained? Keep wishin'. There is no changing with God according to our desire. We follow the Word,and the Word don't follow us. His Word is VERY plain concerning this question. The answer is "NO."

James 1:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Do not err, my beloved brethren.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
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I don't think anyone is trying to change His word. We are just trying to understand how we can apply it today.
 
just-me

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Misty77 said:
I don't think anyone is trying to change His word. We are just trying to understand how we can apply it today.
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If we are not trying to find a way to justify something that is not in scripture, while being so clearly defined in the Bible, there is obviously someone trying to find something that looks like truth that they can see as wrong from the beginning. Then on the other hand, if they weren't trying to find justification outside of the Word of God, this question would never have been thought about, let alone asked. I'm sure the truth of the matter has been defined several times. If we are looking for the truth in anything, it will be given and then we can carry on to the next subject that we sincerely want to know, searching for more truth. I don't think this question had sincere motives of wanting to see the truth in God's Word.

Matthew 7:7-8 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
 
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