Manifest Sons of God doctrine

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Oh GodisSalvation...

and I've brought the truth to you before on other threads. You will reckon with God if you do not reckon with the mirror.
Not quite sure what you mean here, I cannot recall anything on any other thread where we have had a problem. If there is one let me know that I may beg your forgiveness or at the least explain myself.
 
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You know what. There's a whole forum section titled Prayer Requests. Given your co-worker ship with God, I'd imagine there are a multitude of people who could benefit from your view that we all have such healing power--we'll more than that--that you have Jesus' healing power at "your" disposal. Which has been your message here, sir. The one thing that we have, that we know, is that ALL things are recorded in time by God. Like a cassette tape he views it all from beginning to end. In a way the same exists for you on CC.com, as it does for us all. Some random boy at Walmart is more worthy of the faithful petitioning the God you serve through your co-worker ship. Do you venture to the prayer forum much to serve the body of Christ with your head, heart, and hands?

My attitude is poor here and I admit that. Operating out of self is a daily battle for me, and if I was more mature I wouldn't let your absolute disregard for the truth bother me. And so I cast myself as a sinner here. I know you don't...you do no wrong in the eyes of God because He sees Jesus. And you're more powerful than one of the most fervent prayer warrior prophets of old, Elijah. Remember, I'm not calling you a sinner here, I'm calling myself one. That is key.
I venture to whom ever I come across. I don't see a Christian any different from a unbeliever. God paid the same price for both. I had more Christians i came across reject prayer more than unbelievers and they defend there sickness say God gave it to me to teach me a lesson.. Huuuhhhh what.. The Farther doesn't put sickness on nobody. It's all from the fall of man.

Prayer room ehh? Well let's go buddy we should go pray for people together. Lets offer the prayer of faith for all our brothers and sister.
 
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The Farther doesn't put sickness on nobody. It's all from the fall of man.
The problem with what you just said is the bible. You may not understand God's sovereignty or the fact that He has two wills. And it sounds an awful like the false teaching that comes out of Bill Johnson to me. I do believe the truth is fighting to set you free kid...
[video=youtube_share;FYA7ZkkutPw]http://youtu.be/FYA7ZkkutPw[/video]

Prayer room ehh? Well let's go buddy we should go pray for people together. Lets offer the prayer of faith for all our brothers and sister.
There are many of us who go over to the prayer room and read the requests and lift our brothers and sisters bleeding hearts up in prayer. I usually do it in the evening...no posts, just prayer. We're always emulating our Lord, because as you know, he wasn't about flashing around with Vegas lights around Him. He actually made every effort to lay low. Anyway, I've asked for prayer myself here publicly and privately. It's what we do as believers...share and bear each other's burdens. Confess sins to each other. Form groups where we share our struggles, or hopes and dreams. I had a new group start last night at a nearby church...myself and four other guys. Talked about manhood, being godly husbands, fathers, you know--addressing the areas in which we "miss the mark", daily. The goal is to try and hold to and not sway to the sound doctrine we've been taught by God's word.

In this post here, I am more sorry for offending God and then you. I have had issues with being critical at times, and this may be playing out right here. I try to live transparently like that. All my muck strewn out on the floor...no games, no dark corners for sin to play "they can't see me". Not always easy. We're all self-warped in some way. You're the type of follower where Jesus and you are equals...co-workers. I'm like the "Holy One of Israel I'm a worm and no man," kind of follower. Dunno...guess we'll both follow as He's allowing in His sovereignty and hope our wills align with His.
 
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The problem with what you just said is the bible. You may not understand God's sovereignty or the fact that He has two wills. And it sounds an awful like the false teaching that comes out of Bill Johnson to me. I do believe the truth is fighting to set you free kid...
[video=youtube_share;FYA7ZkkutPw]http://youtu.be/FYA7ZkkutPw[/video]


There are many of us who go over to the prayer room and read the requests and lift our brothers and sisters bleeding hearts up in prayer. I usually do it in the evening...no posts, just prayer. We're always emulating our Lord, because as you know, he wasn't about flashing around with Vegas lights around Him. He actually made every effort to lay low. Anyway, I've asked for prayer myself here publicly and privately. It's what we do as believers...share and bear each other's burdens. Confess sins to each other. Form groups where we share our struggles, or hopes and dreams. I had a new group start last night at a nearby church...myself and four other guys. Talked about manhood, being godly husbands, fathers, you know--addressing the areas in which we "miss the mark", daily. The goal is to try and hold to and not sway to the sound doctrine we've been taught by God's word.

In this post here, I am more sorry for offending God and then you. I have had issues with being critical at times, and this may be playing out right here. I try to live transparently like that. All my muck strewn out on the floor...no games, no dark corners for sin to play "they can't see me". Not always easy. We're all self-warped in some way. You're the type of follower where Jesus and you are equals...co-workers. I'm like the "Holy One of Israel I'm a worm and no man," kind of follower. Dunno...guess we'll both follow as He's allowing in His sovereignty and hope our wills align with His.
If that's how you see yourself, that's the way you will see others.. I can't see you as a worm, Because I know the Farther don't see me that way. He sent his only Son for u. We must be more valuable than a worm if he say we are worth the blood of Jesus.
 
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I will say this. I'm not sure If you have a child or not, but will you put sickness on your own child?

Also if your child was sick would you not do what was needed for that child to get better?

I believe I know your answer to both those questions. So why wouldn't the Farther do the same for us who He sent his only Son for? Do we love each other and care for each other more than God does?
 
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Just a heads up.....

In the Favorite Pastors/Teachers thread that Simiel started, Simiel posted this:

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I listen to Dan Mohler someone who just don't teach the bible but actually lives it out...
He mentioned that name on another thread...I think it was the "People Say I'm Crazy" thread.

I googled that name and found out that this is an NAR teacher who is associated with Bill Johnson and Bethel Church. No wonder Simiel keeps making threads and posts that promote NAR doctrines.....
 
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@38mile I don't think you're a worm. I get where you are skeptical of people I feel the same way a lot too and feel a lot of the same things you said you feel sometimes. It's very nice thing of you to pray for other people and to confess your shortcomings and try to get better. You're an okay dude in my opinion even if we have minor disagreements here and there (and know that I personally don't hold any of them against you I am just trying to learn so it is good way to learn for me.) Very cool too that you have some friends in your community to talk about trying to be a better dad and husband too! I am not sure if I myself will ever be married, but I wish more guys were like that around my age-range that have kids.
 
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Just a heads up.....

In the Favorite Pastors/Teachers thread that Simiel started, Simiel posted this:



He mentioned that name on another thread...I think it was the "People Say I'm Crazy" thread.

I googled that name and found out that this is an NAR teacher who is associated with Bill Johnson and Bethel Church. No wonder Simiel keeps making threads and posts that promote NAR doctrines.....
Dan Mohler yep he's one of my favorite preachers/teacher. I like how you fellas judge a person before you meet/listen to a person. Shows what mind set your still living in. It shows who is still drinking milk.
 
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Dan Mohler yep he's one of my favorite preachers/teacher. I like how you fellas judge a person before you meet/listen to a person. Shows what mind set your still living in. It shows who is still drinking milk.
So, I think you know a little bit more about the NAR movement than you are letting on.

I can't judge Dan Mohler, although I do evaluate NAR doctrine....and since a simple google of him reveals that he teaches the exact same things you have been promoting on this site....such as that Christians are sinless, etc., then I can rightly say that his doctrine is off. He is also associated with the Elijah List website, and he has his own Supernatural School thing on a website.....

That is all I need to know to say that his doctrine is off.

You have come in here, trying to innocently claim that you don't know anything about these teachings, but that the Holy Spirit taught you these things, and that you heard them from no one. Then, a simple google reveals that this guy teaches them, and you affirm that he is one of your favorite teachers....

Simiel, please don't play any more games.
 
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So, I think you know a little bit more about the NAR movement than you are letting on.

I can't judge Dan Mohler, although I do evaluate NAR doctrine....and since a simple google of him reveals that he teaches the exact same things you have been promoting on this site....such as that Christians are sinless, etc., then I can rightly say that his doctrine is off. He is also associated with the Elijah List website, and he has his own Supernatural School thing on a website.....

That is all I need to know to say that his doctrine is off.

You have come in here, trying to innocently claim that you don't know anything about these teachings, but that the Holy Spirit taught you these things, and that you heard them from no one. Then, a simple google reveals that this guy teaches them, and you affirm that he is one of your favorite teachers....

Simiel, please don't play any more games.
There you make assumptions again... I was taught by the Holy Spirit before I met any of these people or listen to these people. I was praying for people in the streets before I heard of these guys. Then later on in life they crossed my path. So that's why I listen to them for I have met them and seen what fruit they bear.
 
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After reviewing all of the threads that Simiel started, and also considering that he still has not addressed the kenosis issue here....but that he has consistently been evangelically promoting NAR doctrine....

I'm done with this discussion.

Simiel, I am still praying for you, though.
 
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After reviewing all of the threads that Simiel started, and also considering that he still has not addressed the kenosis issue here....but that he has consistently been evangelically promoting NAR doctrine....

I have decided that trying to discuss things further with him on any thread is a waste of my time, at least as long as things continue as they have been.

Simiel, I am still praying for you, and I pray that God would reveal His truth to you, as only He can.
I hope you pray from a place of love.
 
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Hey just to digress a little bit. I really admire your knowledge and zeal Arwen. Since it seems our paths cross a lot in discussion on the site I was thinking we should be friends even if we have disagreements from time to time. Would you mind at all if I added you to my friends list?
 

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I think Simiel is correct in what he is teaching us about Jesus, I think he just has a hard time explaining it. Let me try to explain it (and forgive me if I am misinterpretting you Simiel and feel free to correct me where I am wrong.)

Okay now let's all look that we all agree Jesus is the Son of God, he had the Holy Spirit of God, etc. We all agree on this and this is good starting point. So let's build off of what we all agree upon that we all might then come to better understanding.

Now Simiel's main claim I think that disturbs you all (and I admit it even made me wonder) is that we can do things like Jesus did like for instance healing people. Now see here is the thing, Jesus Himself said we can heal people and do all those wonders. That is not unbiblical and I don't think anyone argues against this. I think what everyone's concern here is that if Simiel is healing people, is if he is doing it in the name of Jesus as Jesus said we should. So anyone that claims to heal in the Name of Jesus is not nessecarily a liar and they should be considerred not cast aside immediately. (Not saying you shouldn't weigh them, look I weighed Simiel myself. Like Arwen has done a good point in pointing out is though healing powers is real, some people do in fact try to use them to teach another Gospel, which is of course bad.) But don't cast aside the people too fast now because if they really are healing people in the Name of Jesus in accordance to the Gospels then we should be thankful to Jesus for helping people even in our time today.

I think it really comes down to this reoccuring topic. Was Jesus God and how did He prove it? See all the miracles like turning water to wine, healing people, casting out demons, etc. are in fact not proof at all that Jesus was God because Jesus said we can all do the same (in His Name mind you.) And of course the Apostles and such who were trully human like all of us did the same, but we know none of them were the Messiah, but rather acting in His Name.

Now Jesus was in fact human. I think what Simiel means by Him leaving His deity behind in Heaven is moreso him trying to express that God didn't come down to earth in his grand awesome glory because if you refer back to Exodus 33 when Moses got to see God's back parts, God even tells Moses that if he had seen God's full glory that Moses would have perished. Thus Jesus was God in human form if I might coin such a term, because otherwise everyone that saw him would have perished immediately.

Also remember God came to us as a human in Jesus because He had to save us all and the only way that is possible is if He came as a human to sacrifice Himself because obviously God the Father (or God's godly form) cannot die or be harmed in anyway possible.

So since we know Jesus was God in human form, and we know none of his supernatural miracles are proof that He is God, let's ask ourselves this question. How can we prove Jesus was God? How did Jesus prove that He was who He was?

Now hey this can be a kind of fun exercise in faith and understanding. Understand through his words and life story Jesus proved this to be true in literally hundreds of ways. So let's all have a little exercise in Bible Discussion and instead of fighting show our testimony of our belief in Jesus. I ask you all to give one proof that lead you to believe Jesus is God.


My personal favorite proof is one that is often the most misinterpretted.

When Jesus was on the cross Jesus asked a question. That question is "Father why have you forsaken me?"

Now a lot of people think Jesus sinned here, thus the misunderstanding, but they are incorrect because Jesus could not sin. Jesus merely asked a question to His Father. Furthermore Jesus asked a question on behalf of all humanity. This is a very human question too that I think every human asks at one point or another. Also mind you Jesus then said "It is done." Thus signifying He had fulfilled His purpose and laid the contract before humanity which God signed in blood.

Now what people often forget is the Father's answer to the Son's question. That answer is the Resurrection. That answer is that God did not forsake humanity. That answer is that God is Salvation and God is With Us. Thus it is that question and that answer is God's eternal promise of Salvation to all those who believe in His only begotten Son.

So that is my proof that God is Jesus is the Holy Spirit. I am very curious what you all think too or what made you all believe Jesus is God. Let's have an exercise in how we all know Jesus is God without any supernatural miracles required.
the one problem i have with simiel is he says he can do wonders without invoking the name of Christ and he can do acts that are left alone to God ie controlling the world by warping the laws of psychics
 
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Hey just to digress a little bit. I really admire your knowledge and zeal Arwen. Since it seems our paths cross a lot in discussion on the site I was thinking we should be friends even if we have disagreements from time to time. Would you mind at all if I added you to my friends list?
I would welcome your friendship. :) I won't mind at all.
 
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the one problem i have with simiel is he says he can do wonders without invoking the name of Christ and he can do acts that are left alone to God ie controlling the world by warping the laws of psychics
Hmm, this is what I have been watching him closely for myself. I thought he said though that Jesus does all the healing, not he (simiel) himself. Sorta like he is the tool and God is the hand that guides the tool. Hence why I assume it to be legit.

As for God being able to warp physics, I would say that's possible since anything through God is possible.

I will keep watching though, forgive me if I misinterpretted you or simiel and correct me where I am wrong if I misinterpretted either both your own statements. Like I said I'm just trying to learn, I just don't want this to turn into attacking eachother again please. We can all learn more about eachother and learn where we are wrong and learn to make ourselves better in Jesus in my opinion.

And hey since you quoted that quote in particular, I'd like to see you take up my challenge and post one of your favorite non-supernatural proofs for Jesus divinity Wanderer. (Like my cross to resurrection example and arwen's John the Baptist example. Like I said it is good proofs for Jesus and good way to bring us all closer together in understanding that way. Plus it's fun to find support for Jesus :) )


EDIT: and thank you Arwen, glad to add you as a friend!
 

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simiel you are straight evil you have fallen to far, i feel so much sorrow meeting and seeing that there is a person as lost as you. i pray everyone close to you escapes that darkness wife, kids, family, friends, everyone. i pray the Lord cast you into a loneliness we cannot comprehennd and either you rise and find the truth, or God delivers you to destruction so you cannot corrupt any more souls
 
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Arwen4CJ

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Lol I think someone just proved you wrong
Simiel, I will still discuss things with you in threads if:
1.) You are straightforward about everything

2.) If you answer and respond to everything that is presented in discussion

As it stands right now, you appear to be here just to spread NAR doctrine.