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I venture to whom ever I come across. I don't see a Christian any different from a unbeliever. God paid the same price for both. I had more Christians i came across reject prayer more than unbelievers and they defend there sickness say God gave it to me to teach me a lesson.. Huuuhhhh what.. The Farther doesn't put sickness on nobody. It's all from the fall of man.
Prayer room ehh? Well let's go buddy we should go pray for people together. Lets offer the prayer of faith for all our brothers and sister.
Prayer room ehh? Well let's go buddy we should go pray for people together. Lets offer the prayer of faith for all our brothers and sister.
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The problem with what you just said is the bible. You may not understand God's sovereignty or the fact that He has two wills. And it sounds an awful like the false teaching that comes out of Bill Johnson to me. I do believe the truth is fighting to set you free kid...
[video=youtube_share;FYA7ZkkutPw]http://youtu.be/FYA7ZkkutPw[/video]
There are many of us who go over to the prayer room and read the requests and lift our brothers and sisters bleeding hearts up in prayer. I usually do it in the evening...no posts, just prayer. We're always emulating our Lord, because as you know, he wasn't about flashing around with Vegas lights around Him. He actually made every effort to lay low. Anyway, I've asked for prayer myself here publicly and privately. It's what we do as believers...share and bear each other's burdens. Confess sins to each other. Form groups where we share our struggles, or hopes and dreams. I had a new group start last night at a nearby church...myself and four other guys. Talked about manhood, being godly husbands, fathers, you know--addressing the areas in which we "miss the mark", daily. The goal is to try and hold to and not sway to the sound doctrine we've been taught by God's word.
In this post here, I am more sorry for offending God and then you. I have had issues with being critical at times, and this may be playing out right here. I try to live transparently like that. All my muck strewn out on the floor...no games, no dark corners for sin to play "they can't see me". Not always easy. We're all self-warped in some way. You're the type of follower where Jesus and you are equals...co-workers. I'm like the "Holy One of Israel I'm a worm and no man," kind of follower. Dunno...guess we'll both follow as He's allowing in His sovereignty and hope our wills align with His.
[video=youtube_share;FYA7ZkkutPw]http://youtu.be/FYA7ZkkutPw[/video]
There are many of us who go over to the prayer room and read the requests and lift our brothers and sisters bleeding hearts up in prayer. I usually do it in the evening...no posts, just prayer. We're always emulating our Lord, because as you know, he wasn't about flashing around with Vegas lights around Him. He actually made every effort to lay low. Anyway, I've asked for prayer myself here publicly and privately. It's what we do as believers...share and bear each other's burdens. Confess sins to each other. Form groups where we share our struggles, or hopes and dreams. I had a new group start last night at a nearby church...myself and four other guys. Talked about manhood, being godly husbands, fathers, you know--addressing the areas in which we "miss the mark", daily. The goal is to try and hold to and not sway to the sound doctrine we've been taught by God's word.
In this post here, I am more sorry for offending God and then you. I have had issues with being critical at times, and this may be playing out right here. I try to live transparently like that. All my muck strewn out on the floor...no games, no dark corners for sin to play "they can't see me". Not always easy. We're all self-warped in some way. You're the type of follower where Jesus and you are equals...co-workers. I'm like the "Holy One of Israel I'm a worm and no man," kind of follower. Dunno...guess we'll both follow as He's allowing in His sovereignty and hope our wills align with His.
I will say this. I'm not sure If you have a child or not, but will you put sickness on your own child?
Also if your child was sick would you not do what was needed for that child to get better?
I believe I know your answer to both those questions. So why wouldn't the Farther do the same for us who He sent his only Son for? Do we love each other and care for each other more than God does?
Also if your child was sick would you not do what was needed for that child to get better?
I believe I know your answer to both those questions. So why wouldn't the Farther do the same for us who He sent his only Son for? Do we love each other and care for each other more than God does?
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Just a heads up.....
In the Favorite Pastors/Teachers thread that Simiel started, Simiel posted this:
He mentioned that name on another thread...I think it was the "People Say I'm Crazy" thread.
I googled that name and found out that this is an NAR teacher who is associated with Bill Johnson and Bethel Church. No wonder Simiel keeps making threads and posts that promote NAR doctrines.....
In the Favorite Pastors/Teachers thread that Simiel started, Simiel posted this:
He mentioned that name on another thread...I think it was the "People Say I'm Crazy" thread.
I googled that name and found out that this is an NAR teacher who is associated with Bill Johnson and Bethel Church. No wonder Simiel keeps making threads and posts that promote NAR doctrines.....
@38mile I don't think you're a worm. I get where you are skeptical of people I feel the same way a lot too and feel a lot of the same things you said you feel sometimes. It's very nice thing of you to pray for other people and to confess your shortcomings and try to get better. You're an okay dude in my opinion even if we have minor disagreements here and there (and know that I personally don't hold any of them against you I am just trying to learn so it is good way to learn for me.) Very cool too that you have some friends in your community to talk about trying to be a better dad and husband too! I am not sure if I myself will ever be married, but I wish more guys were like that around my age-range that have kids.
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So, I think you know a little bit more about the NAR movement than you are letting on.
I can't judge Dan Mohler, although I do evaluate NAR doctrine....and since a simple google of him reveals that he teaches the exact same things you have been promoting on this site....such as that Christians are sinless, etc., then I can rightly say that his doctrine is off. He is also associated with the Elijah List website, and he has his own Supernatural School thing on a website.....
That is all I need to know to say that his doctrine is off.
You have come in here, trying to innocently claim that you don't know anything about these teachings, but that the Holy Spirit taught you these things, and that you heard them from no one. Then, a simple google reveals that this guy teaches them, and you affirm that he is one of your favorite teachers....
Simiel, please don't play any more games.
I can't judge Dan Mohler, although I do evaluate NAR doctrine....and since a simple google of him reveals that he teaches the exact same things you have been promoting on this site....such as that Christians are sinless, etc., then I can rightly say that his doctrine is off. He is also associated with the Elijah List website, and he has his own Supernatural School thing on a website.....
That is all I need to know to say that his doctrine is off.
You have come in here, trying to innocently claim that you don't know anything about these teachings, but that the Holy Spirit taught you these things, and that you heard them from no one. Then, a simple google reveals that this guy teaches them, and you affirm that he is one of your favorite teachers....
Simiel, please don't play any more games.
There you make assumptions again... I was taught by the Holy Spirit before I met any of these people or listen to these people. I was praying for people in the streets before I heard of these guys. Then later on in life they crossed my path. So that's why I listen to them for I have met them and seen what fruit they bear.
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After reviewing all of the threads that Simiel started, and also considering that he still has not addressed the kenosis issue here....but that he has consistently been evangelically promoting NAR doctrine....
I'm done with this discussion.
Simiel, I am still praying for you, though.
I'm done with this discussion.
Simiel, I am still praying for you, though.
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Hmm, this is what I have been watching him closely for myself. I thought he said though that Jesus does all the healing, not he (simiel) himself. Sorta like he is the tool and God is the hand that guides the tool. Hence why I assume it to be legit.
As for God being able to warp physics, I would say that's possible since anything through God is possible.
I will keep watching though, forgive me if I misinterpretted you or simiel and correct me where I am wrong if I misinterpretted either both your own statements. Like I said I'm just trying to learn, I just don't want this to turn into attacking eachother again please. We can all learn more about eachother and learn where we are wrong and learn to make ourselves better in Jesus in my opinion.
And hey since you quoted that quote in particular, I'd like to see you take up my challenge and post one of your favorite non-supernatural proofs for Jesus divinity Wanderer. (Like my cross to resurrection example and arwen's John the Baptist example. Like I said it is good proofs for Jesus and good way to bring us all closer together in understanding that way. Plus it's fun to find support for Jesus
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EDIT: and thank you Arwen, glad to add you as a friend!
As for God being able to warp physics, I would say that's possible since anything through God is possible.
I will keep watching though, forgive me if I misinterpretted you or simiel and correct me where I am wrong if I misinterpretted either both your own statements. Like I said I'm just trying to learn, I just don't want this to turn into attacking eachother again please. We can all learn more about eachother and learn where we are wrong and learn to make ourselves better in Jesus in my opinion.
And hey since you quoted that quote in particular, I'd like to see you take up my challenge and post one of your favorite non-supernatural proofs for Jesus divinity Wanderer. (Like my cross to resurrection example and arwen's John the Baptist example. Like I said it is good proofs for Jesus and good way to bring us all closer together in understanding that way. Plus it's fun to find support for Jesus
)EDIT: and thank you Arwen, glad to add you as a friend!
simiel you are straight evil you have fallen to far, i feel so much sorrow meeting and seeing that there is a person as lost as you. i pray everyone close to you escapes that darkness wife, kids, family, friends, everyone. i pray the Lord cast you into a loneliness we cannot comprehennd and either you rise and find the truth, or God delivers you to destruction so you cannot corrupt any more souls