Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?

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I think it is pretty clear from Scripture that if you are causing other Believers to judge you, then you are sinning.

Paul became a Gentile to teach the Gentile, and became a Jew to teach the Jews.
If you are causing divisions among the brethren, then what you are doing is not in the Spirit, but in the flesh.

I'm not trying to be harsh, or denying that you have found some truth, but that the way we handle truth must be in love, and in the Spirit.
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Please enlighten me what you are referring to in his post. "causing other believers to judge him"? If other believers are judging him, wouldn't that be a sin by them?

You called him a sinner, isn't that a tad harsh? Where is the sin if what he says it true? I don't get it. At least state which portion you disagree with if you're going all out and call him a sinner. Man! his first post and he gets called a sinner....boy..hey..
 
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Yes, vEritas is Latin. It means truth.
 
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LT said:
I think it is pretty clear from Scripture that if you are causing other Believers to judge you, then you are sinning.

Paul became a Gentile to teach the Gentile, and became a Jew to teach the Jews.
If you are causing divisions among the brethren, then what you are doing is not in the Spirit, but in the flesh.

I'm not trying to be harsh, or denying that you have found some truth, but that the way we handle truth must be in love, and in the Spirit.
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Yeshua is the divider. Not saying I am not capable of putting my foot in my mouth.

I cannot cause believers to judge me. I realize that I didn't candy-coat it. Not trying to hurt feelings for the sake of hurting feelings. I have better things to do. Just telling my experience.
 
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Veritas said:
Yeshua is the divider. Not saying I am not capable of putting my foot in my mouth.

I cannot cause believers to judge me. I realize that I didn't candy-coat it. Not trying to hurt feelings for the sake of hurting feelings. I have better things to do. Just telling my experience.
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Messiah didn't candy coat it either did He? Welcome to CC. I hope you stick around.
 
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In returning to the Law, it can clearly cause people to judge you, because the Scripture calls returning to the Law "falling from grace".

That is clearly what happened when he got fired for trying to take off Saturdays. Most Christians take the Sabbath on Sunday, which clearly fulfills the spirit of the Law. By claiming that Sunday does not fulfill the Sabbath, and that Saturday off is needed, a person is both judging others, and causing judgement for themselves.

Thus: division.
 
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Veritas said:
Thank you. This is my favorite topic.
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Mine too. It really focuses on where the big divisions are! All of the Word is truth. Some like to pick and choose, so be ready. Don't say I didn't warn ya. Some say none of the Old Covenant is still valid. Where in that in the Word?
 
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LT said:
In returning to the Law, it can clearly cause people to judge you, because the Scripture calls returning to the Law "falling from grace".

That is clearly what happened when he got fired for trying to take off Saturdays. Most Christians take the Sabbath on Sunday, which clearly fulfills the spirit of the Law. By claiming that Sunday does not fulfill the Sabbath, and that Saturday off is needed, a person is both judging others, and causing judgement for themselves.

Thus: division.
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who changed the law? what year was it done?
 
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Veritas said:
Verdad, if you prefer!
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no,i meant no offense,the Sephardi jews were exiled to the Spain/France region from judah during the exile(following the fall of Israel ad70),,,i was curious "what it meant to you",,,LT answered in your stead before you could,,,the spice "cumin" is often mentioned in the scriptures as a spice used by the Hebrew people,,,,but your answer is that it is of Latin origin instead of Jewish,,,
 
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Karraster said:
who changed the law? what year was it done?
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Christ AD 33

when the sacrificial system was abrogated along with the governmental, cerimonial, Levitical, dietary and societal Laws.

Don't misquote me to say that we can live in sin, but that what is sin is in Spirit, not in what meat we eat, or day we go to worship/fellowship, or how we trim our beard.




If the sacrifice is fulfilled, what is not fulfilled in Christ?
 
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Christ AD 33

when the sacrificial system was abrogated along with the governmental, cerimonial, Levitical, dietary and societal Laws.

Don't misquote me to say that we can live in sin, but that what is sin is in Spirit, not in what meat we eat, or day we go to worship/fellowship, or how we trim our beard.




If the sacrifice is fulfilled, what is not fulfilled in Christ?
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scripture please.:)
 
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Karraster said:
scripture please.:)
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Galatians 5
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. [SUP]
2 [/SUP]Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
 
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LT said:
In returning to the Law, it can clearly cause people to judge you, because the Scripture calls returning to the Law "falling from grace".

That is clearly what happened when he got fired for trying to take off Saturdays. Most Christians take the Sabbath on Sunday, which clearly fulfills the spirit of the Law. By claiming that Sunday does not fulfill the Sabbath, and that Saturday off is needed, a person is both judging others, and causing judgement for themselves.

Thus: division.
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I did not come here to argue. My post still stands. I posted scripture to support my position. Your argument is not with me but YHWH.

You have your opinion but I do not see any scriptural basis to support your statements.
 
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I does really come down to a "heart" issue. I can profess to love Messiah all day long, but if it is in words only, where is love? If you love Him, keep His commandments. That's in the Bible too. What more needs be said?
 
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Karraster said:
I does really come down to a "heart" issue. I can profess to love Messiah all day long, but if it is in words only, where is love? If you love Him, keep His commandments. That's in the Bible too. What more needs be said?
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lol,,,if we said,,,,"john 10;30,,,I and the father are one",,,it will turn into a new verses old debate,,,,,,,,
 
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Karraster said:
I does really come down to a "heart" issue. I can profess to love Messiah all day long, but if it is in words only, where is love? If you love Him, keep His commandments. That's in the Bible too. What more needs be said?
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Romans 2
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


In case you don't like the KJV, since you didn't seem phased by Galatians 5
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice [SUP][v][/SUP]the Law; but if you are a transgressor [SUP][w][/SUP]of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. [SUP]26 [/SUP]So if the [SUP][x][/SUP]uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? [SUP]27 [/SUP]And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who [SUP][y][/SUP]though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor [SUP][z][/SUP]of the Law? [SUP]28 [/SUP]For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. [SUP]29 [/SUP]But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
 
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