Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?
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What clearly amazes me is Paul said we are sealed eternally. We are given eternal (not conditional) life. That he knws exactly where he is going. That we were not given a spirit of fear. That my life is in Christ, not myself. That God would never leave us, That we should focus on our eternity, which is guaranteed. I can go on and on and on.
Yet you want him to contradict himself by interpreting the words "cut off" to mean he thought he could lose salvation.
Thanks, But I will interpret him in a way he does not contradict himself. If you want him to contradict himself so you can feel good about yourself and your ability to lose your salvation. Feel free!!
Yet you want him to contradict himself by interpreting the words "cut off" to mean he thought he could lose salvation.
Thanks, But I will interpret him in a way he does not contradict himself. If you want him to contradict himself so you can feel good about yourself and your ability to lose your salvation. Feel free!!
If only you could keep all you know, but go on and grow in the Lord by not stopping with what you have learned! You know that God is holy, we are not, and we are not capable of making ourselves holy by our works. It is called grace. It is God making us holy through His forgiveness and love. But sometimes your mind takes that word beyond what the meaning of it is. We need to be precise, and grace is grace. That is one subject, over and out. It is truth. Now about works. Works have absolutely nothing to do with salvation, that is another subject. But when we are saved it leads us to works. Salvation does not eliminate works. Grace does not eliminate works.
Now, lets look at faith. When you have faith in something solid, dependable, absolute truth, then you act on the truth you find so solid. It is like needing to cross over a bridge. You can stand near the bridge and say you have faith in that bridge, but faith in it leads you to taking steps on the bridge, using it. We say we have faith in Christ. So we use His blood to repent of our sins (when we don't follow law) and turn from them to following law. We have faith that our sins do not lead to death. We have faith in all Christ is to us. We have faith enough to do our part by repenting.
When your mind gets so stuck on the truths of God, it is good to have those truths. You are saved for eternal life through the truths you have accepted. There are more truths to accept, you should not let the truth you know keep you from growing on to more.
Now, lets look at faith. When you have faith in something solid, dependable, absolute truth, then you act on the truth you find so solid. It is like needing to cross over a bridge. You can stand near the bridge and say you have faith in that bridge, but faith in it leads you to taking steps on the bridge, using it. We say we have faith in Christ. So we use His blood to repent of our sins (when we don't follow law) and turn from them to following law. We have faith that our sins do not lead to death. We have faith in all Christ is to us. We have faith enough to do our part by repenting.
When your mind gets so stuck on the truths of God, it is good to have those truths. You are saved for eternal life through the truths you have accepted. There are more truths to accept, you should not let the truth you know keep you from growing on to more.
what i don't get is how ritual handwashing and lighting candles and spending 8 days in an RV and sweeping out crumbs of yeast are Christian Works.
they ain't.
serving your neighbor is good works.
proclaiming the Gospel is good works.
why can't we see the SO GOOD RITUAL good works God is so pleased with??
where's the BEEF
they ain't.
serving your neighbor is good works.
proclaiming the Gospel is good works.
why can't we see the SO GOOD RITUAL good works God is so pleased with??
where's the BEEF
I don't think you need to spend 8 days celebrating the Feast of Booths to learn lessons about how difficult it is to be cooped up with people while camping.
I just went camping for a week with my beloved husband and by last night, we were quietly trying to not fight about everything that happened. But I knew when I got outraged that Wendy's had "Fresh Made Salads" and I started screaming that the proper grammar was "FreshLY Made Salads" - the ADVERB, modifying the verb made (past participle, I know), that I just needed a good night's sleep and get cleaned up.
Hebrew is a great language to study the Old Testament in. But to have to continually try and meet the requirements of Jewish law????
Christ came to set us free from death and sin, and fulfilled the law.
Do we need to repeat the scriptures verses again?
I just went camping for a week with my beloved husband and by last night, we were quietly trying to not fight about everything that happened. But I knew when I got outraged that Wendy's had "Fresh Made Salads" and I started screaming that the proper grammar was "FreshLY Made Salads" - the ADVERB, modifying the verb made (past participle, I know), that I just needed a good night's sleep and get cleaned up.
Hebrew is a great language to study the Old Testament in. But to have to continually try and meet the requirements of Jewish law????
Christ came to set us free from death and sin, and fulfilled the law.
Do we need to repeat the scriptures verses again?
Going back to your Jewish roots is a very helpful thing to do and most people do not seem to understand that the majority of the Bible was written by Jewish descent! It really is the only way to truly understand the Bible and it's laws. It is the only way to translate the Bible! Even when it is written in Greek it has Jewish sayings and concepts. But I am a Christian so I do not support the bashing of all Christians. I will admit that most Christians have got it wrong. The NT did not write out the OT, it only brought forgiveness into the mix. People should not be put to death anymore. That is about it. The laws are still valid. All of them.
Not all of the Jewish traditions and holidays are in the Bible, but we should follow the ones that are, because they were ordained by GOD HIMSELF and not derived from ungodly things. Almost all of man's holidays were based off of pagan or Wiccan holidays and gods. If anyone who is a Christian still celebrates halloween or watches horror movies, they have issues. Keeping GOD's laws, they are not the laws of the Jews, is not supposed to be easy. We are meant to strive to be like Y'shua, even if we will never be able to live up to those expectations, because GOD commands us to do so.
1 John 2:3-6:
And by this we know that we have known Him, if we keep His commandments. 4. The one who says, "I have known Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5. but whoever keeps His Word, truly the love of GOD would have been completed in him, because we know that we are in Him. 6. The one who says he remains in Him is obligated to walk the same walk just as that one walked.
1 John 2:3-6:
And by this we know that we have known Him, if we keep His commandments. 4. The one who says, "I have known Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5. but whoever keeps His Word, truly the love of GOD would have been completed in him, because we know that we are in Him. 6. The one who says he remains in Him is obligated to walk the same walk just as that one walked.
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This is just amazing Just-me that this man in that church admitted that and was actually proud of it. What a sad thing to say for that church. And it says more than not caring to grow in God. It says that this man didn't love God enough to give God his best.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?" (I Cor. 3:1-3)
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In the above passage of Scripture, the apostle Paul speaks of the Corinthian Christians as being immature babies. Rather than having grown up and matured in the Lord, these Christians were still carnal and selfish babies who were bringing shame to the name of Jesus Christ [/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?" (I Cor. 3:1-3)
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In the above passage of Scripture, the apostle Paul speaks of the Corinthian Christians as being immature babies. Rather than having grown up and matured in the Lord, these Christians were still carnal and selfish babies who were bringing shame to the name of Jesus Christ [/FONT]
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Good scripture, and may I add scripture that I have referred to many a time for those that say the Mosaic law is obsolete should be separated from the grace God.
John 5:39-47 (KJV)
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]I receive not honour from men.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
John 5:39-47 (KJV)
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]I receive not honour from men.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Might need help in the [h=2]Is The Mosaic Law Beneficial For Those Who Have Faith?[/h]
Disputes all over about the law. getting old, but defending the faith of sorts....
Philippians 1:27-30 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Having the same conflict which ye saw in me, and now hear to be in me.
Disputes all over about the law. getting old, but defending the faith of sorts....
Philippians 1:27-30 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Having the same conflict which ye saw in me, and now hear to be in me.
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Hello,
This is my first post on CC. I found this chat after doing a search using the words "hebrew" and "cult". I read page after page of the discussion here.
I was raised in the SBC. My mother was pianist for years. I received The Savior(Jesus) when I was 24. I have studied scripture for 30 years(novice) and have been studying what is being called Hebrew Roots Movement for 4. Even though many people think I know a lot, I know I am just scratching the surface of wisdom.
I have heard many names for this, Sacred Name, Hebrew Roots, Messianic Judaism, whatever, fill in the blank. I call it coming into the truth.
I have been accused of being in a cult because I told people that I found out that the Messiah's name is really Yeshua and the name of the Father was removed from Scripture almost 7000 times and replaced with title "LORD".
I got fired from a job by my Christian employer for wanting to keep the 4th Commandment.
I have been laughed at and shunned by Christians over and over. I've grown some skin over the past 4 years since coming into the knowledge of the true names and that when the "Law" was referred to that meant the Torah(instructions in righteousness).
The main thing I hear from Christians is that because of Jesus' death on the Cross we are "free from the Law".
Proverbs 30:
[SUP]4[/SUP] Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
[SUP]5[/SUP] Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
[SUP]6[/SUP] Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
I know who my Creator is and I know his Son. I love him. He is in a marriage covenant with me and with all who believe. We are the Bride. A bride should submit to her husband and love him.
By trying to follow the Commandments I am trying to be a good bride(even though I am a man).
Question, when we repent, what we repenting from? Sin. What is sin? Missing the mark. What mark? Righteousness. What is Torah? Torah means Instruction in righteousness. So, if we say that we are "free from the Law" what does that mean? Does it mean it's now okay to sin. NO! YHWH forbid. What we are free from is the penalty for sin, which is death.
Yeshua said, "...Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Mt. 5:18
The heaven and the earth are still here. So is Yeshua a liar? No.
Here is an enormously sad fact; In Mt.7, Yeshua says, "[SUP]22[/SUP] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[SUP]23[/SUP] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Another question, what is iniquity? Sin. In other words, lawlessness. That scripture makes me shake in my boots. I do NOT want to be one of those He says that to. Clearly Yeshua is telling us there will be people who believe they are following Him but are not.
Bottom line is Christians and Jews get very upset when they think you are messing with their Traditions. I have observed that people love and identify themselves with traditions. Myself included. It has been quite a journey for me. People also make snap judgements without studying what is written in the scriptures and known Biblical history.
David
This is my first post on CC. I found this chat after doing a search using the words "hebrew" and "cult". I read page after page of the discussion here.
I was raised in the SBC. My mother was pianist for years. I received The Savior(Jesus) when I was 24. I have studied scripture for 30 years(novice) and have been studying what is being called Hebrew Roots Movement for 4. Even though many people think I know a lot, I know I am just scratching the surface of wisdom.
I have heard many names for this, Sacred Name, Hebrew Roots, Messianic Judaism, whatever, fill in the blank. I call it coming into the truth.
I have been accused of being in a cult because I told people that I found out that the Messiah's name is really Yeshua and the name of the Father was removed from Scripture almost 7000 times and replaced with title "LORD".
I got fired from a job by my Christian employer for wanting to keep the 4th Commandment.
I have been laughed at and shunned by Christians over and over. I've grown some skin over the past 4 years since coming into the knowledge of the true names and that when the "Law" was referred to that meant the Torah(instructions in righteousness).
The main thing I hear from Christians is that because of Jesus' death on the Cross we are "free from the Law".
Proverbs 30:
[SUP]4[/SUP] Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
[SUP]5[/SUP] Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
[SUP]6[/SUP] Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
I know who my Creator is and I know his Son. I love him. He is in a marriage covenant with me and with all who believe. We are the Bride. A bride should submit to her husband and love him.
By trying to follow the Commandments I am trying to be a good bride(even though I am a man).
Question, when we repent, what we repenting from? Sin. What is sin? Missing the mark. What mark? Righteousness. What is Torah? Torah means Instruction in righteousness. So, if we say that we are "free from the Law" what does that mean? Does it mean it's now okay to sin. NO! YHWH forbid. What we are free from is the penalty for sin, which is death.
Yeshua said, "...Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Mt. 5:18
The heaven and the earth are still here. So is Yeshua a liar? No.
Here is an enormously sad fact; In Mt.7, Yeshua says, "[SUP]22[/SUP] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[SUP]23[/SUP] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Another question, what is iniquity? Sin. In other words, lawlessness. That scripture makes me shake in my boots. I do NOT want to be one of those He says that to. Clearly Yeshua is telling us there will be people who believe they are following Him but are not.
Bottom line is Christians and Jews get very upset when they think you are messing with their Traditions. I have observed that people love and identify themselves with traditions. Myself included. It has been quite a journey for me. People also make snap judgements without studying what is written in the scriptures and known Biblical history.
David
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I think it is pretty clear from Scripture that if you are causing other Believers to judge you, then you are sinning.
Paul became a Gentile to teach the Gentile, and became a Jew to teach the Jews.
If you are causing divisions among the brethren, then what you are doing is not in the Spirit, but in the flesh.
I'm not trying to be harsh, or denying that you have found some truth, but that the way we handle truth must be in love, and in the Spirit.