Being raped better than letting women have gun to shoot rapist with?:India and rape

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Rachel20

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If one feels threatened about internet harassment and cyberstalking then one should not provoke others. You're not a "victim" if you instigated it.

You mean instigation like this?



Sequence of events ...
According to Joe Biden a woman should pee on the rapist. He says that will make the rape stop.

Yes, he really said that.
* Somewhere in Qatar*

One more thing, since you expressed this thread is about India(which it is) then why did you divert the thread talking about the United States? I never would have brought up Qatar and their corruption and prejudice had you not thrown the US in the equation. Which I am sure we can both agree that no man made government is perfect.


And yep, no hard feelings Elizabeth
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You mean instigation like this?


Sequence of events ...
Thinking = lateral. You, sister, give me hope for womankind!

I received important and timely information today that "JFF" is an acronym for "just for fun".

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Oh really?


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... I wouldn't mind being a Pawn, if only I might join--though of course I should LIKE to be a Queen, best.'


She glanced rather shyly at the real Queen as she said this, but her companion only smiled pleasantly, and said, 'That's easily managed. You can be the White Queen's Pawn, if you like, as Lily's too young to play; and you're in the Second Square to begin with: when you get to the Eighth Square you'll be a Queen--' Just at this moment, somehow or other, they began to run.

Alice never could quite make out,in thinking it over afterwards, how it was that they began: all she remembers is, that they were running hand in hand, and the Queen went so fast that it was all she could do to keep up with her: and still the Queen kept crying 'Faster! Faster!' but Alice felt she COULD NOT go faster, though she had not breath left to say so.

The most curious part of the thing was, that the trees and the other things round them never changed their places at all: however fast they went, they never seemed to pass anything. 'I wonder if all the things move along with us?' thought poor puzzled Alice. And the Queen seemed to guess her thoughts, for she cried, 'Faster! Don't try to talk!'

Not that Alice had any idea of doing THAT. She felt as if she would never be able to talk again, she was getting so much out of breath: and still the Queen cried 'Faster! Faster!' and dragged her along. 'Are we nearly there?'Alice managed to pant out at last.

'Nearly there!' the Queen repeated. 'Why, we passed it ten minutes ago! Faster!' And they ran on for a time in silence, with the wind whistling in Alice's ears, and almost blowing her hair off her head, she fancied.

'Now! Now!' cried the Queen. 'Faster! Faster!' And they went so fast that at last they seemed to skim through the air, hardly touching the ground with their feet, till suddenly, just as Alice was getting quite exhausted, they stopped, and she found herself sitting on the ground, breathless and giddy.

The Queen propped her up against a tree, and said kindly, 'You may rest a little now.'

Alice looked round her in great surprise. 'Why, I do believe we've been under this tree the whole time! Everything's just as it was!'

'Of course it is,' said the Queen, 'what would you have it?'

'Well, in OUR country,' said Alice, still panting a little, 'you'd generally get to somewhere else--if you ran very fast for a long time, as we've been doing.'

'A slow sort of country!' said the Queen. 'Now, HERE, you see, it takes all the running YOU can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!'

--Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There (1871)



 
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i think i will go with this particular verse i guess when guns speak the sound deafen me
...We are not fighting against human beings but against the wicked spiritual forces in the heavenly world, the rulers, authorities, and cosmic powers of this dark age. Ephesian 6:12
 

Rachel20

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Oh really?.......

'A slow sort of country!' said the Queen. 'Now, HERE, you see, it takes all the running YOU can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!'

--Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There (1871)



YAY!!!


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I actually have a shirt that says this..

Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
 
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That´s true, nkz0! But a gun serves as long as people could use it to stop their EVIL spirits, otherwise. people is helpless depending on others to receive "help", just when they are hurt, used and abused.

I just think of those centuries abusing people.
 

Elizabeth619

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I actually have a shirt that says this..

Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
This is the best post in this thread.

We live in a world where being a victim makes you morally superior than anyone who stands up and fights. I don't get it, but you see it everywhere.
MY entire life my mother has taught me a very important thing about life, and how we choose to handle ourselves in hard times. Her motto is "you can either be a victim or victorious". This is coming from a woman who has been totally blind since the age of 7(my father was blind as well but has passed on). Neither one of them used their handicap as a crutch. Both are college educated. Both held jobs. Mom still works as a matter of fact. They didn't sit at home and draw a check. They persevered. My momma is a fighter. After losing her husband(my dad of course) to a drunk driver she didn't look at the situation as we are pathetic victims. She faught. She went to lawmakers, got involved and helped increase the drunk driving laws in the state.
She has even battled breast and bone cancer and still managed to get up every morning, go to work and live her life.
This woman is what raised me and the values she instilled in me and the examples she has set is why I choose to be victorious and fight instead of being a victim.
Ok, soapbox over.
 
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Hi ServantStrike. I am sorry I took a while to respond to this. I have considered that position many times.

Christians are expected to not allow injustice and to help the needy. I've said this before many times.

However I still don't see how guns must be the solution. There are other means of self defence or protection.
I would go a step further and say total disarmament rather.

This was my personal belief, more so because the topic was about INDIA, my country. Our country was born out of a non violent movement and the Father of our Nation Mahatma Gandhi, who was deeply influenced by Jesus, especially the verse "To Turn the other cheek" believed that arms was not the solution and he was right. I don't want my country to take that route of endorsing violence in any form.

It is my personal conviction.

However I had to spend a lot of time to go through all the attacks by the outraged Americans, ranging from pouring scorn over Qatar and India, to insinuate quoting Scripture as victim blaming, to calling trusting in God as twisted thinking, to go so far as to write a story about my death. (reasons I didn't respond soon enough)

I used to be a pro-guns anarchist Defense Distributed , liberation person until I found Jesus. My views changed. I don't really care anymore. I just want to follow Jesus and how he lived. Did he wield a sword? No.

Each one of us has been called to serve God with our own gifts. Each one of us has differing levels of faith. It is after all a matter of our conscience before God.

However these are questions I can ask you.

Does having a gun provide 100% protection?
Is the assurance of a gun beside you an assurance of your life too? Will a gun always prove worthy? Even if you were witnessing a crime or defending someone else, are the odds always going to be in favour of the party with a gun?

What if both parties have guns? No life at hand is certainity.

People might say, I am being very "illogical" saying I trust only God for my protection. There are some here who go around claiming academic degrees on logic and statistics, but since when did a virgin giving birth be logical?

Also, the question could be put, in a life or death situation, and someone attacked me, wouldn't I defend myself? Yes of course, it's a first reflex.

I just don't want to be holding a gun in my hand and being responsible for the death of another being. Or disabling or injuring them.

So what's going to protect me if I carry no arms.

God. Yes I put my trust in his protection. Even if no other person is beside me. No other vigilante.

It might seem impossible. But what is impossibe for man, is possible for God.

My advice is to wait until the return of Christ to go beating those swords into plowshares. If you decide not to wait, at the very least, please don't go advocating this view for others. Let them make their own decisions.

Total disarmament leads to abuses in power at the highest echelons. Always. Maybe not immediately, but since Christ Himself said out of the heart comes wickedness, the hearts of men always end up going back towards wickedness. A disarmed population is an easily controlled population.

There are entire countries where well meaning individuals (many of them Christians) decided to take it upon themselves to petition the government to disarm the population. Now the UK Olympic shooting team can't even practice on their home soil, and despite the fact that handguns are illegal there, they still have one of the highest crime rates of any developed nation. Disarmament did not stop the crime, but it took away freedoms for law abiding citizens.


If you want to see where total disarmament leads, ask the Germans about what happened when Hitler went after the guns, ask the Russians what happened when Stalin went after the guns, ask the Italians about what happened when Mussolini went after the guns.


It doesn't end well, historically.





I gave you my response.

It is heavily influenced by the fact I am a Christian.
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I was asleep by the time you wrote both responses. Time zone differences, remember :). Again though, if that's how you feel, that's your prerogative, but please don't advocate it at the political level, as it takes options off the table for others.

My Christian response is this is what Christ told his apostles to do in Luke 22:36.

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

It's not just the KJV either, it says that in the NASB

And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.


My response is also that I'm in no position to ever want to take a life, but that the right to personal safety stops during the commission of a crime. If someone wants to steal your wallet, let them take it, but if they want to maim or kill, then the choice is clear - either be maimed or killed, or allow others to be maimed or killed, or fight back.
 
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No Praus I am not mad. I actually feel sorry for you and Rachel20 which is why I will keep you 2 in my prayers.
As you are led friend, as you are led!
Rachel20 and I are being led but I'm not sure why anyone who claims to be a Christian should see that as a reason to pray for us.

Luke 9:23 ¶ And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
 

Rachel20

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Total disarmament leads to abuses in power at the highest echelons. Always. Maybe not immediately, but since Christ Himself said out of the heart comes wickedness, the hearts of men always end up going back towards wickedness. A disarmed population is an easily controlled population.
Do we represent democracy or do we represent Christ?


There are entire countries where well meaning individuals (many of them Christians) decided to take it upon themselves to petition the government to disarm the population. Now the UK Olympic shooting team can't even practice on their home soil, and despite the fact that handguns are illegal there, they still have one of the highest crime rates of any developed nation. Disarmament did not stop the crime, but it took away freedoms for law abiding citizens.
You're making correlations without it being verified.
Have you read Freakonomics? It makes a correlation between the drop in crime rates and abortion.
According to the authors, with the advent of abortion, crime rates, reduced. Does that mean we support abortion? Can you see that thinking?


If you want to see where total disarmament leads, ask the Germans about what happened when Hitler went after the guns, ask the Russians what happened when Stalin went after the guns, ask the Italians about what happened when Mussolini went after the guns.

Your examples of history are very short sighted ServantStrike. You're trying to make Hitler and Stalin the poster boys for gun control.
You must consider that as far as time goes , as much as human civilization existed there were absolute monarchies which practiced extreme torture and abuse of its citizens.
Nero, for example repeatedly persecuted Christians in the most horrific ways imaginable to mankind. Did Christians retaliate or kill their persecutors?
What happened to Peter?


It doesn't end well, historically.
Yep, Peter was crucified upside down.


I was asleep by the time you wrote both responses. Time zone differences, remember :). Again though, if that's how you feel, that's your prerogative, but please don't advocate it at the political level, as it takes options off the table for others.

My Christian response is this is what Christ told his apostles to do in Luke 22:36.

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

It's not just the KJV either, it says that in the NASB

And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.
Yep I shall post the next verses from Luke 22:37-38

It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’[a]; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.

38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied.

And let's not forget what Jesus said when Peter cut off the ear of the high priest's servant

Matthew 26:51-56

51 And behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword and struck the servant[a] of the high priest and cut off his ear. 52 Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?” 55 At that hour Jesus said to the crowds, “Have you come out as against a robber, with swords and clubs to capture me? Day after day I sat in the temple teaching, and you did not seize me. 56 But all this has taken place that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples left him and fled.


My response is also that I'm in no position to ever want to take a life, but that the right to personal safety stops during the commission of a crime. If someone wants to steal your wallet, let them take it, but if they want to maim or kill, then the choice is clear - either be maimed or killed, or allow others to be maimed or killed, or fight back.
Man was made in the image of God.
Even more so, Christ died to save the lost. I consider the sacrifice of Jesus to be so precious that I don't want that by my hands life would be cut short, or disabled or maimed.
Even if I were to lose my life, I would gain it in Christ. Even if you're a Calvinist ( I am NOT), that person standing in front of you could be among the persons Jesus died to save. (I believed he died for us all. The world. John 3:16)
That person you could possibly shoot and disable, was also created in the image of God.
There are many ways to protect oneself. I wish people would stop glamourizing and putting guns on a pedestal making it the ticket to the sanctity of your life.
Jesus is. Not a gun.
 

Rachel20

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My advice is to wait until the return of Christ to go beating those swords into plowshares. If you decide not to wait, at the very least, please don't go advocating this view for others. Let them make their own decisions.
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I am sorry ServantStrike.

The kingdom of God is for now.
Luke 17:20-21
Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, 21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”
Also I should say, as an Indian sister who has a lot of regard for you, I find it very hurtful how you disregard the culture and nuances of my country.
As an Indian I am not allowed to speak about my own country's traditions, which is at the heart of this thread? Ahimsa and satyagraha are deeply rooted in the history of India.
Ahimsa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Satyagraha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





 

Rachel20

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I actually have a shirt that says this..

Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

Amen.

Only Women should own guns.
 
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