MODERN CHRISTIANS WORSHIPPING THEIR HEATHEN GODS--by tossing out the 7th Day Sabbath

[Plowman]

Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

 

[Spokenpassage]

This is a classic distortion of the Word of Yahweh.

When Yeshua made this declaration, it was in direct reference to doing good on the Sabbath (the disciples were gleaning wheat for they were ahungered), NOT teaching man can ever change the order of creation and the day given by our Father as a gift of rest on the Seventh Day.

God forbid His Word be changed by any flesh or any demonic theology. It is demonic to believe one may alter in any manner the Word that is Jesus Christ.

actually if you read it, Jesus was meaning that external practices should give way for moral righteousness. That's why I posted the scripture quoted and then from that exact passage. He desires compassion over a external ordinance.

 

[JaumeJ]

You may speak for Yeshua if you like.

It is good that you agree with my post in part. However what our Father has declared may not be destroyed by destroyers. Of course mercy is always first, grace and love; they go together.

Therefore, if we love the Father, we do not label His declaration of the order of creation, and His gift to us all, that is a day of rest from our mundane labors to be with Him, a lie, or in error.

The seventh day will always follow the sixth. It is a diabolical lie to say that order is changed by flesh.

It is so easy to get reactions when one speaks truth. Please do not hate others for doing so.

actually if you read it, Jesus was meaning that external practices should give way for moral righteousness. That's why I posted the scripture quoted and then from that exact passage. He desires compassion over a external ordinance.

 

[Spokenpassage]

You may speak for Yeshua if you like.

It is good that you agree with my post in part. However what our Father has declared may not be destroyed by destroyers. Of course mercy is always first, grace and love; they go together.

Therefore, if we love the Father, we do not label His declaration of the order of creation, and His gift to us all, that is a day of rest from our mundane labors to be with Him, a lie, or in error.

The seventh day will always follow the sixth. It is a diabolical lie to say that order is changed by flesh.

It is so easy to get reactions when one speaks truth. Please do not hate others for doing so.

The Sabbath will always be the Sabbath on this earth as a day in the week. But for the OP and many others to claim that the external obedience is crucial to one's relationship with God, has made up in their minds that mankind was made for the Sabbath. When the Lord even said that is actually made for us.

"I desire compassion, and not a sacrifice"

This not only is quoted from the OT, but also by Jesus Himself when the Pharisees nagged on His disciples for picking grain on the Sabbath. He desires righteousness over external practices, this explains that the Sabbath isn't a moral command, rather a beneficial one for moral conduct. Especially for Israel who always forgot the Lord and His deeds when they were greatly provided and fattened in the land. We as Christians have every liberty to choose any day to rest, but it has nothing to do with changing the Sabbath.

 

[RedTent]

[=Stephen63;1411726]Hebrews 7:12 (NASB) [SUP]12 [/SUP]For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.
Hebrews 7:12 (NLT) [SUP]12 [/SUP]And if the priesthood is changed, the law must also be changed to permit it.

I don't think the priesthood being changed says the law is done away with. When it is replaced by Christ's law, we must look to Christ to find out what that law is. There are lots of verses explaining that, surely everyone here has read them. Written law is to remain, but we are not only to do it but we are to discipline our minds according to law, too. Don't murder, for instance, is advanced to include not calling someone a fool.

 

[RedTent]

The Sabbath will always be the Sabbath on this earth as a day in the week. But for the OP and many others to claim that the external obedience is crucial to one's relationship with God, has made up in their minds that mankind was made for the Sabbath. When the Lord even said that is actually made for us.
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The Sabbath was made for us, to help us achieve the blessings that go with honoring this day. It was not made for us to handle any way our carnal selves decide we would like to do with it, we still belong to Christ.

Even in the earthly world, if a father gives something wonderful just for a child for his pleasure and good, it would not be given to him so he could misuse or destroy it.

 

[Spokenpassage]

The Sabbath was made for us, to help us achieve the blessings that go with honoring this day. It was not made for us to handle any way our carnal selves decide we would like to do with it, we still belong to Christ.

Even in the earthly world, if a father gives something wonderful just for a child for his pleasure and good, it would not be given to him so he could misuse or destroy it.

But you see, redtent somehow I see you in the edge between this. Yes as we both agree that the Sabbath was made for us, and its beneficial right? Why would such a command accuse a believer for benefiting it on another day? Either way they are both helpful as God intended right?

But then this is where we cut off ends. You believe it must only be on the Sabbath. This statement is a contradiction to the one above. Your making sound like we are made for the Sabbath, so it must be on this specific day. I don't know how I can break that down redtent.

Jesus is the Lord, He has every right to change the whole covenant of the old and make it new. That's when He speaks as the "Lord of the Sabbath."

Jesus gave us examples of those who break it for the better of good, because it's not really broken...you see?

 

[Karraster]

The Sabbath will always be the Sabbath on this earth as a day in the week. But for the OP and many others to claim that the external obedience is crucial to one's relationship with God, has made up in their minds that mankind was made for the Sabbath. When the Lord even said that is actually made for us.



This not only is quoted from the OT, but also by Jesus Himself when the Pharisees nagged on His disciples for picking grain on the Sabbath. He desires righteousness over external practices, this explains that the Sabbath isn't a moral command, rather a beneficial one for moral conduct. Especially for Israel who always forgot the Lord and His deeds when they were greatly provided and fattened in the land. We as Christians have every liberty to choose any day to rest, but it has nothing to do with changing the Sabbath.

Our Messiah Yahsuah has said" He desires" This is our Master speaking! How much He longs for us to follow Him, stop calling our Father's Law bad! It's man's law that is bad. Thank you Father for your mercy..

This is copy and paste, but says it better than I could:

The Pharisees did not understand Hosea 6:6 rightly for the same reason that they did not understand the Law rightly. Jesus accused them, through the Hosea quotation, of the most extreme hypocrisy, adherence to form while omitting the substance, feigning allegiance to the Lord while practicing idolatry in their hearts. Numerous times, Israel had been told the secret of their relationship to God: “the Lord will circumcise thine heart,” (Deut. 30:6) and “Rend your heart, not your garments,” (Joel 2:13) etc. Moreover, Hosea was not the only one to record the Lord’s displeasure with outward form without inward substance. There is Isaiah,

“Stop bringing meaningless offerings!
Your incense is detestable to me.
New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations—
I cannot bear your evil assemblies.
Your New Moon festivals and your appointed feasts
my soul hates…” — Isaiah 1:13,14 (NIV)​

 

[JaumeJ]

You may not know what day it is (it is Sunday today), but you sure know how to contort what has been stated...........bye.

The Sabbath will always be the Sabbath on this earth as a day in the week. But for the OP and many others to claim that the external obedience is crucial to one's relationship with God, has made up in their minds that mankind was made for the Sabbath. When the Lord even said that is actually made for us.



This not only is quoted from the OT, but also by Jesus Himself when the Pharisees nagged on His disciples for picking grain on the Sabbath. He desires righteousness over external practices, this explains that the Sabbath isn't a moral command, rather a beneficial one for moral conduct. Especially for Israel who always forgot the Lord and His deeds when they were greatly provided and fattened in the land. We as Christians have every liberty to choose any day to rest, but it has nothing to do with changing the Sabbath.

 

[Spokenpassage]

Our Messiah Yahsuah has said" He desires" This is our Master speaking! How much He longs for us to follow Him, stop calling our Father's Law bad! It's man's law that is bad. Thank you Father for your mercy..

This is copy and paste, but says it better than I could:

The Pharisees did not understand Hosea 6:6 rightly for the same reason that they did not understand the Law rightly. Jesus accused them, through the Hosea quotation, of the most extreme hypocrisy, adherence to form while omitting the substance, feigning allegiance to the Lord while practicing idolatry in their hearts. Numerous times, Israel had been told the secret of their relationship to God: “the Lord will circumcise thine heart,” (Deut. 30:6) and “Rend your heart, not your garments,” (Joel 2:13) etc. Moreover, Hosea was not the only one to record the Lord’s displeasure with outward form without inward substance. There is Isaiah,

“Stop bringing meaningless offerings!
Your incense is detestable to me.
New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations—
I cannot bear your evil assemblies.
Your New Moon festivals and your appointed feasts
my soul hates…” — Isaiah 1:13,14 (NIV)​

Nothing I said contradicts the commentary that you pasted, it actually backs my statement up. You see, the Pharisees may have gotten the whole "rest on the Sabbath" thing going. But their hearts were far from God. So whether they kept it or not, they still disobeyed God. That's religion. Practicing the external over the moral. I never said that the laws are bad either. Rather, God's law isn't external because He isn't external. His laws are righteous and spiritual, because He is righteous and is spirit. This means that all external commandments are puppeted by moral goodness. Otherwise you have a dead dummy doing external things thinking they are above everything else.

 

[Spokenpassage]

You may not know what day it is (it is Sunday today), but you sure know how to contort what has been stated...........bye.

Just trying to discuss the Word my friend. I don't see how I twisted anything.

 

[JaumeJ]

The point here is not agreeing with other flesh, the point is believing what our Father has told us.

Jesus Christ never changed the order of creation, not did he give me or you the right to say it otherwise.

Either you believe the Bible with understanding, or you are just acting like a believer.

No one is on the edge or between regarding the Word. He either believes it, or he makes himself an editor of God's Word, and this is not to be done.

Leave the Word as it is presented by Him.

Jesus did not obliterate any law, to say otherwise is not believing Him.

But you see, redtent somehow I see you in the edge between this. Yes as we both agree that the Sabbath was made for us, and its beneficial right? Why would such a command accuse a believer for benefiting it on another day? Either way they are both helpful as God intended right?

But then this is where we cut off ends. You believe it must only be on the Sabbath. This statement is a contradiction to the one above. Your making sound like we are made for the Sabbath, so it must be on this specific day. I don't know how I can break that down redtent.

Jesus is the Lord, He has every right to change the whole covenant of the old and make it new. That's when He speaks as the "Lord of the Sabbath."

Jesus gave us examples of those who break it for the better of good, because it's not really broken...you see?

 

[Karraster]

Nothing I said contradicts the commentary that you pasted, it actually backs my statement up. You see, the Pharisees may have gotten the whole "rest on the Sabbath" thing going. But their hearts were far from God. So whether they kept it or not, they still disobeyed God. That's religion. Practicing the external over the moral. I never said that the laws are bad either. Rather, God's law isn't external because He isn't external. His laws are righteous and spiritual, because He is righteous and is spirit. This means that all external commandments are puppeted by moral goodness. Otherwise you have a dead dummy doing external things thinking they are above everything else.

The Pharisees got the Sabbath thing going? R U kidding?

 

[Spokenpassage]

The point here is not agreeing with other flesh, the point is believing what our Father has told us.

Jesus Christ never changed the order of creation, not did he give me or you the right to say it otherwise.

Either you believe the Bible with understanding, or you are just acting like a believer.

No one is on the edge or between regarding the Word. He either believes it, or he makes himself an editor of God's Word, and this is not to be done.

Leave the Word as it is presented by Him.

Jesus did not obliterate any law, to say otherwise is not believing Him.

If I posted scripture, you would give me a different interpretation. If I explain it instead, you will tell me im twisting the word. As far as I know, I'm presenting the teachings of God the way He told us.

I told redtent about the edge because she seems to be wandering back in fourth in this, because I believe she is trying to actually figure this out. So it's more of a compliment for her effort to be open minded in that. Unless I'm completely wrong and she isn't opened minded.

It takes an open mind, in which I should have, you should have, and everyone who knows Jesus should have.

 

[Spokenpassage]

The Pharisees got the Sabbath thing going? R U kidding?

You neglected my post. They were strict on not doing anything on the Sabbath, thinking they obeyed God. But since they were morally corrupt, it didn't make a difference. That still goes on today karraster...

 

[JaumeJ]

Please bear in mind, this teaching is to the congregation of those who believe. When one ignores what the Word teaches in favor of the doctrines of man, it is imperative and urgent to continue advising others to believe God, pure and simple. If others believe they are arguing, they must deal with it. I do not mind repeating truth as many times as it becomes necessary, and this is love. If love were not present I would not bother.

Shall I concede to others the right to change the Father's instructions because they do not believe Him? I do not think this proper. However, I will now drop this thread from my following for the peace of those who believe caring enough to enlighten is contention.

Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

 

[danschance]

Perhaps because one of the main reasons that the day was changed was that it was done by ex pagans who were used to worshipping pagan idols on Sunday. They used the excuse that it was discovered that Christ rose on the day of the Sun so we should worship that day. They were excellent at Christianizing pagan holidays, just changing the Gods they worshipped.

Prove it and lets see what the truth is.

Keep in mind I was asking about what pagan gods Christians worship. Satan is the one we fight with, not other Christians.

 

[BradC]

You are judging the keeping of the Sabbath as a way of not keeping the Sabbath as Christ told us to do. That doesn't make sense. Do you think that denial of Sabbath is a way to teach the proper way to keep it? I don't think that is good reasoning.

This is objectivity concerning those Jews that followed Christ. Why was it so difficult and such a hard saying for them to keep what Christ commands them to do by eating his flesh and drinking his blood? To do so is eternal life and they would not do it. These Jews were pricked in their ears with this new doctrine because Christ spoke as one who had authority and not as the Scribes and Pharisees. Is keeping the Sabbath a prerequisite for eternal life or have anything to do with keeping righteousness? If I do not keep the Sabbath as was prescribed under the law of Moses is that a transgression of the law and unrighteousness with God? If you believe in keeping the Sabbath as prescribed under the law, where it was given, your answer must be YES or you would be unfaithful in teaching others to keep the commandments and to not break them. JaumeJ can answer also if he would like, but he has written me and some others off already and that his own doing. Show me what the NT church is prescribed under the new covenant as to the Sabbath and as to the rest that God has given to those who have been redeemed under grace through the blood of Christ.

 

[posthuman]

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth.
Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand

(Romans 14:1-4)

That has nothing to do with the Sabbath of the Lord. It is talking about food.

let's read the next few verses:

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.
He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
(Romans 14:5-6)

but down here in verse 10 is the point i wanted to make:

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
(Romans 14:10)

who am i to judge another man's servant?

as for me, i am fully persuaded that every day belongs to the Lord. the Father on the 7th day rested because creation was finished.

Jesus said at the cross:
"it is finished"

you don't like that? be persuaded in your own mind and work out your own devotion. but don't condemn your family that also loves the Lord.

 

[J-Kay-2]

I wonder what was accomplished here ? I am exhausted from all the different
theories, learning nothing from them.

I prefer to believe my Lord is allowing me to simply love Him and make every
day a Sabbath day, because I chose to allow Christ to live in my heart, and make
Him Lord over all my life.

How confusing this OP made the Christian walk and love of our Lord. No one
person is going to believe the same as another. We each have our own
independent relationship with our Father, Savior, and Holy Spirit.