sorry if I came across as slandering. I just do not care for anyone or any denomination that does not look at the Bible as a whole, but takes certain scriptures and makes them what they are not. I think that the truth of the Bible on this and any issue is by far the most important thing. so to say that drunkenness is a sin is 100% right. to say that it is a sin to have A DRINK is 100% wrong. simply because the Bible does not say that. no one should take the Word and use it further a denominational belief . if you do not wish to have your Church or group drink tell them just that. do not say that the Bible says so.
DRINKING AND THE SCRIPTURES
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Now Er was wicked, and he was in need concerning Tamar, because she was not of the land 3 of Canaan. And on the third night an angel of the Lord smote him. And he had not known her according to the evil craftiness of his mother, for he did not wish to have children by her. In the days of the wedding-feast I gave Onan to her in marriage; and he also in wickedness knew her not, 5 though he spent with her a year. And when I threatened him he went in unto her, but he spilled the seed on the ground, according to the command of his mother, and he also died through wickedness. 6 And I wished to give Shelah also to her, but his mother did not permit it; for she wrought evil against Tamar, because she was not of the daughters of Canaan, as she also herself was. 11 1 And I knew that the race of the Canaanites was wicked, but the impulse of youth blinded my 2 mind. And when I saw her pouring out wine, owing to the intoxication of wine I was deceived, and 3 took her although my father had not counselled (it). And while I was away she went and took for 4 Shelah a wife from Canaan. And when I knew what she had done, I cursed her in the anguish of 5 my soul. And she also died through her wickedness together with her sons. 12 1 And after these things, while Tamar was a widow, she heard after two years that I was going up 2 to shear my sheep, and adorned herself in bridal array, and sat in the city Enaim by the gate. For it was a law of the Amorites, that she who was about to marry should sit in fornication seven days 3 by the gate. Therefore being drunk with wine, I did not recognize her; and her beauty deceived 4 me, through the fashion of her adorning. And I turned aside to her, and said: Let me go in unto thee. And she said: What wilt thou give me? And I gave her my staff, and my girdle, and the diadem of my kingdom in pledge. And I went in unto her, and she conceived. And not knowing 6 what I had done, I wished to slay her; but she privily sent my pledges, and put me to shame. And when I called her, I heard also the secret words which I spoke when lying with her in my drunkenness; 7 and I could not slay her, because it was from the Lord. For I said, Lest haply she did it in 8 subtlety, having received the pledge from another woman. But I came not again near her while 9 I lived, because I had done this abomination in all Israel. Moreover, they who were in the city said there was no harlot in the gate, because she came from another place, and sat for a while in the 10, 11 gate. And I thought that no one knew that I had gone in to her. And after this we came into 12 Egypt to Joseph, because of the famine. And I was forty and six years old, and seventy and three years lived I in Egypt. 13 1 And now I command you, my children, hearken to Judah your father, and keep my sayings to 2 perform all the ordinances of the Lord, and to obey the commands of God. And walk not after your lusts, nor in the imaginations of your thoughts in haughtiness of heart; and glory not in the deeds 3 and strength of your youth, for this also is evil in the eyes of the Lord. Since I also gloried that in wars no comely woman’s face ever enticed me, and reproved Reuben my brother concerning Bilhah, the wife of my father, the spirits of jealousy and of fornication arrayed themselves against me, until I lay with Bathshua the Canaanite, and Tamar, who was espoused to my sons. For I said to my father-in-law: I will take counsel with my father, and so will I take thy daughter. And he was unwilling, but he showed me a boundless store of gold in his daughter’s behalf; for he was 5 a king. And he adorned her with gold and pearls, and caused her to pour out wine for us at the 6 feast with the beauty of women. And the wine turned aside my eyes, and pleasure blinded my 7 heart. And I became enamoured of and I lay with her, and transgressed the commandment of the 8 Lord and the commandment of my fathers, and I took her to wife. And the Lord rewarded me according to the imagination of my heart, inasmuch as I had no joy in her children. 14 1 And now, my children, I say unto you, be not drunk with wine; for wine turneth the mind away 2 from the truth, and inspires the passion of lust, and leadeth the eyes into error. For the spirit of fornication hath wine as a minister to give pleasure to the mind; for these two also take away the 3 mind of man. For if a man drink wine to drunkenness, it disturbeth the mind with filthy thoughts leading to fornication, and heateth the body to carnal union; and if the occasion of the lust be 4 present, he worketh the sin, and is not ashamed. Such is the inebriated man, my children; for he 5 who is drunken reverenceth no man. For, lo, it made me also to err, so that I was not ashamed of the multitude in the city, in that before the eyes of all I turned aside unto Tamar, and I wrought 6 a great sin, and I uncovered the covering of my sons’ shame. After I had drunk wine I reverenced 7 not the commandment of God, and I took a woman of Canaan to wife. For much discretion needeth the man who drinketh wine, my children; and herein is discretion in drinking wine a man 8 may drink so long as he preserveth modesty. But if he go beyond this limit the spirit of deceit attacketh his mind, and it maketh the drunkard to talk filthily, and to transgress and not to be ashamed, but even to glory in his shame, and to account himself honourable. 15 1 He that committeth fornication is not aware when he suffers loss, and is not ashamed when put 2 to dishonour. For even though a man be a king and commit fornication, he is stripped of his 3 kingship by becoming the slave of fornication, as I myself also suffered. For I gave my staff, that is, the stay of my tribe; and my girdle, that is, my power; and my diadem, that is, the glory of my 4 kingdom. And indeed I repented of these things; wine and flesh I eat not until my old age, nor 5 did I behold any joy. And the angel of God showed me that for ever do women bear rule over 6 king and beggar alike. And from the king they take away his glory, and from the valiant man his might, and from the beggar even that little which is the stay of his poverty. 16 1 Observe, therefore, my children, the (rights limit in wine; for there are in it four evil spirits
17 1 And now, I command you, my children, not to love money, nor to gaze upon the beauty of women; because for the sake of money and beauty I was led astray to Bathshua the Canaanite. 2, 3 [For I know that because of these two things shall my race fall into wickedness. For even wise men among my sons shall they mar, and shall cause the kingdom of Judah to be diminished, which 4 the Lord gave me because of my obedience to my father. For I never caused grief to Jacob, my 5 father: for all things whatsoever he commanded I did. And Isaac, the father of my father, blessed 6 me to be king in Israel, and Jacob further blessed me in like manner. And I know that from me shall the kingdom be established. 18 1 And I know what evils ye will do in the last days.] 2 Beware, therefore, my children, of fornication, and the love of money, and hearken to Judah your father. 3 For these things withdraw you from the law of God, And blind the inclination of the soul, And teach arrogance, And suffer not a man to have compassion upon his neighbour 4 They rob his soul of all goodness, And oppress him with toils and troubles, And drive away sleep from him, And devour his flesh. 5 And he hindereth the sacrifices of God; And he remembereth not the blessing of God, He hearkeneth not to a prophet when he speaketh, And resenteth the words of godliness. 6 For he is a slave to two contrary passions, And cannot obey God, Because they have blinded his soul, And he walketh in the day as in the night
Isaiah 65:8 (KJV) [SUP]8 [/SUP]Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
Thanks again forthe verse, Laodicea.
It is true that wine was fermented on purpose:
* to keep the juice from souring. Wine was drank when the water was bad, or gone altogether.
* to purify water. Wine was mixed in water to purify it of biological contaminants because of its alcohol content
* medicinal value (good Samaritan poured in oil & wine into wounds)
Today, we have all kinds of medicine & drinking water.
You might be correct that drinking in moderation is right........ but what good is right, when family, friends, & church members see you frequenting the liquor store? Or, if they see you buying a 12-pack at Kroger? What will that do to your christian credentials? If you don't care, therein lies the real sin.
Romans 14:20-21 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP]For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Thanks again forthe verse, Laodicea.
It is true that wine was fermented on purpose:
* to keep the juice from souring. Wine was drank when the water was bad, or gone altogether.
* to purify water. Wine was mixed in water to purify it of biological contaminants because of its alcohol content
* medicinal value (good Samaritan poured in oil & wine into wounds)
Today, we have all kinds of medicine & drinking water.
You might be correct that drinking in moderation is right........ but what good is right, when family, friends, & church members see you frequenting the liquor store? Or, if they see you buying a 12-pack at Kroger? What will that do to your christian credentials? If you don't care, therein lies the real sin.
Romans 14:20-21 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP]For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
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Ok, I said I would get this, here goes.
Strong drink in proverbs 20:1
8911 שֵׁכָר (šē·ḵār): n.[masc.]; ≡ Str 7941; TWOT 2388a—1. LN 6.197–6.202 fermented drink, beer, i.e., any drink made of fruit or grain which is potentially intoxicating, when drunk in excess (Lev 10:9; Nu 6:3, 3; Dt 14:26; 29:5[EB 6]; Jdg 13:4, 7, 14; 1Sa 1:15; Pr 20:1; 31:4, 6; Isa 5:11, 22; 24:9; 28:7; 29:9; 56:12; Mic 2:11+), note: “strong drink” as a translation may give the idea that this was a distilled liquor of high-proof alcohol, of which there is no evidence for in the ancient biblical world, and so is not recommended as a translation choice; note: in context, usually this is contrasted and compared to alcohol grape drink, “wine,” suggesting this is often a grain-class of alcohol, “beer;” note: Isa 29:9, “mixed drink,” refers to the mixing of two kinds of drink (e.g, date and cider drink) or other taste enhancers such as myrrh; 2. LN 53.16–53.27 libation offering, i.e., a drink offering of a tasty fruit or grain alcohol (Nu 28:7+); 3. LN 88.283–88.288 unit: שָׁתָה שֵׁכָר (šā·ṯā(h) šē·ḵār) drunkard, formally, one drinking fermented drink (Ps 69:13[EB 12]+)
Swanson, J. (1997). Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Hebrew (Old Testament). Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
Strong drink in proverbs 20:1
8911 שֵׁכָר (šē·ḵār): n.[masc.]; ≡ Str 7941; TWOT 2388a—1. LN 6.197–6.202 fermented drink, beer, i.e., any drink made of fruit or grain which is potentially intoxicating, when drunk in excess (Lev 10:9; Nu 6:3, 3; Dt 14:26; 29:5[EB 6]; Jdg 13:4, 7, 14; 1Sa 1:15; Pr 20:1; 31:4, 6; Isa 5:11, 22; 24:9; 28:7; 29:9; 56:12; Mic 2:11+), note: “strong drink” as a translation may give the idea that this was a distilled liquor of high-proof alcohol, of which there is no evidence for in the ancient biblical world, and so is not recommended as a translation choice; note: in context, usually this is contrasted and compared to alcohol grape drink, “wine,” suggesting this is often a grain-class of alcohol, “beer;” note: Isa 29:9, “mixed drink,” refers to the mixing of two kinds of drink (e.g, date and cider drink) or other taste enhancers such as myrrh; 2. LN 53.16–53.27 libation offering, i.e., a drink offering of a tasty fruit or grain alcohol (Nu 28:7+); 3. LN 88.283–88.288 unit: שָׁתָה שֵׁכָר (šā·ṯā(h) šē·ḵār) drunkard, formally, one drinking fermented drink (Ps 69:13[EB 12]+)
Swanson, J. (1997). Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Hebrew (Old Testament). Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
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I totally agree with this.
I think many miss John 10.10 when Jesus said:
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Besides the enemy, I believe Jesus was telling us that the thief which comes to steal, kill and destroy is also religion.
Religion has killed, stolen and destroyed millions.
It is incredible to me how many things in religion are not in the Bible.
I think many miss John 10.10 when Jesus said:
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Besides the enemy, I believe Jesus was telling us that the thief which comes to steal, kill and destroy is also religion.
Religion has killed, stolen and destroyed millions.
It is incredible to me how many things in religion are not in the Bible.
Isaiah 65:8 (KJV) [SUP]8 [/SUP]Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
Thanks again forthe verse, Laodicea.
It is true that wine was fermented on purpose:
* to keep the juice from souring. Wine was drank when the water was bad, or gone altogether.
* to purify water. Wine was mixed in water to purify it of biological contaminants because of its alcohol content
* medicinal value (good Samaritan poured in oil & wine into wounds)
Today, we have all kinds of medicine & drinking water.
You might be correct that drinking in moderation is right........ but what good is right, when family, friends, & church members see you frequenting the liquor store? Or, if they see you buying a 12-pack at Kroger? What will that do to your christian credentials? If you don't care, therein lies the real sin.
Romans 14:20-21 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP]For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Thanks again forthe verse, Laodicea.
It is true that wine was fermented on purpose:
* to keep the juice from souring. Wine was drank when the water was bad, or gone altogether.
* to purify water. Wine was mixed in water to purify it of biological contaminants because of its alcohol content
* medicinal value (good Samaritan poured in oil & wine into wounds)
Today, we have all kinds of medicine & drinking water.
You might be correct that drinking in moderation is right........ but what good is right, when family, friends, & church members see you frequenting the liquor store? Or, if they see you buying a 12-pack at Kroger? What will that do to your christian credentials? If you don't care, therein lies the real sin.
Romans 14:20-21 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP]For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
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Isaiah 65:8 KJV
(8) Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
H8492
תּירשׁ תּירושׁ
tı̂yrôsh tı̂yrôsh
tee-roshe', tee-roshe'
From H3423 in the sense of expulsion; must or fresh grape juice (as just squeezed out); by implication (rarely) fermented wine: - (new, sweet) wine.
(8) Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
H8492
תּירשׁ תּירושׁ
tı̂yrôsh tı̂yrôsh
tee-roshe', tee-roshe'
From H3423 in the sense of expulsion; must or fresh grape juice (as just squeezed out); by implication (rarely) fermented wine: - (new, sweet) wine.
If I did, I sure hope you have the real context available so I'll know the truth.
Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
The first thing we see here is that this chapter is about relating to a weak brother.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
The subject here? Vegetarianism
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
So, if you encounter one who is weak in the faith and believes he must eat vegetables only, don’t let this puff you up…
2Co 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
What is the gold standard here?
1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Now to the meat and potatoes…
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Why is eating and fasting (not eating) connected to days here? Let’s see…
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
From Bullingers Companion Bible…
Luke 18:12
twice in the week. The law prescribed only one in the year (Lev_16:29. Num_29:7). By the time of Zec_8:19 there were four yearly fasts. In our Lord's day they were bi-weekly (Monday and Thursday), between Passover and Pentecost; and between the Feast of Tabernacles and the Dedication.
Yes they fasted two days a week, Monday and Thursday, EVERY MONDAY and EVERY THURSDAY.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
Now Paul shifts his attention to meat offered to idols. At the time, meat and drink were offered to pagan idols. After it was offered it was sold in a meat market called the ‘Shambles’.
1Co 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
Shambles…
G3111
μάκελλον
makellon
Thayer Definition:
1) a place where meat and other articles of food are sold, meat market
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Latin origin [macellum]
Citing in TDNT: 4:370, 549
There were those who were weak in the faith (verse 1) who were offended by this. They somehow thought that eating that food was somehow connecting them with the idolatrous practices around them. This is why the following is written…
Rom 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Meat here is…
G1035
βρῶσις
brōsis
bro'-sis
From the base of G977; (abstractly) eating (literally or figuratively); by extension (concretely) food (literally or figuratively): - eating, food, meat.
Notice it is food, not clean or unclean flesh.
G4213
πόσις
posis
pos'-is
From the alternate of G4095; a drinking (the act), that is, (concretely) a draught: - drink.
Drinking, can be alcoholic or non-alcoholic beverages. Paul was dealing with ascetism and the belief that doing without was somehow a show of character. He dealt with this issue at Colossae also…
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men? Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
Rom 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
The word for meat here is broma, from Thayer’s…
G1033
βρῶμα
brōma
Thayer Definition:
1) that which is eaten, food
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from the base of G977
Citing in TDNT: 1:642, 111
Again, we are dealing with food.
Rom 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
So, it is not dealing with clean and unclean, but with flesh (meat) and wine (drink) that makes a weak brother stumble.
Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
There is no passage in Rom 14 that deals with the Sabbath or clean and unclean meats. The subjects are vegetarianism, fasting and food and drink offered to idols.
to drink or not to drink, for me the way i see it it is better for me not to drink. If someone wants to drink thats their choice, but i'd be careful about telling others to drink if they want. Drinking has destroyed many families and child hoods, i grew up without a dad because drinking and beating my mom was more important to him. i don't like being around drunks, and won't condone it. Some people maybe can have one or two, and leave it at that, but i have never witnessed it. Usually when i see people drinking they get loud and obnoxious, and laugh at the most stupid stuff.
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The Bible does warn about the bad consequences of overindulgence in alcohol. Ephesians 5:18 admonishes: “Do not be getting drunk with wine, in which there is debauchery.” Also, Proverbs 23:20, 21 exhorts: “Do not come to be among heavy drinkers of wine, among those who are gluttonous eaters of flesh. For a drunkard and a glutton will come to poverty.” And Isaiah 5:11 says: “Woe to those who are getting up early in the morning that they may seek just intoxicating liquor, who are lingering till late in the evening darkness so that wine itself inflames them!”
The Bible also mentions the pleasures and benefits of drinking moderately. For instance, Psalm 104:15 states that one of God’s gifts is “wine that makes the heart of mortal man rejoice.” And the reward for doing good works, says Ecclesiastes 9:7, is to “eat your food with rejoicing and drink your wine with a good heart.” Knowing medicinal benefits of drinking wine, Paul told Timothy not to “drink water any longer, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent cases of sickness.” (1 Timothy 5:23) The ability of alcohol to help one to endure distress is noted in the Bible.—Proverbs 31:6, 7.
Clearly, the Bible does not prohibit the drinking of alcoholic beverages. What it does condemn, however, is drinking to excess and drunkenness. Therefore, Paul admonished Christian overseers, ministerial servants, and older women not to give themselves over “to a lot of wine,” and he advised Timothy to take only “a little wine.” (1 Timothy 3:2, 3, 8; Titus 2:2, 3) All Christians are reminded that “drunkards” will not “inherit God’s kingdom.”—1 Corinthians 6:9, 10.
The Bible also mentions the pleasures and benefits of drinking moderately. For instance, Psalm 104:15 states that one of God’s gifts is “wine that makes the heart of mortal man rejoice.” And the reward for doing good works, says Ecclesiastes 9:7, is to “eat your food with rejoicing and drink your wine with a good heart.” Knowing medicinal benefits of drinking wine, Paul told Timothy not to “drink water any longer, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent cases of sickness.” (1 Timothy 5:23) The ability of alcohol to help one to endure distress is noted in the Bible.—Proverbs 31:6, 7.
Clearly, the Bible does not prohibit the drinking of alcoholic beverages. What it does condemn, however, is drinking to excess and drunkenness. Therefore, Paul admonished Christian overseers, ministerial servants, and older women not to give themselves over “to a lot of wine,” and he advised Timothy to take only “a little wine.” (1 Timothy 3:2, 3, 8; Titus 2:2, 3) All Christians are reminded that “drunkards” will not “inherit God’s kingdom.”—1 Corinthians 6:9, 10.
All that didn't mean a thing to me. I only used v20-21 to confirm the fact that offending our brethen in an uncaring way is sin, & that drinking wine was one of those ways mentioned.
Speaking of v21:
Romans 14:21 (KJV) [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
FLESH
Greek Strong's Number: 2907
Greek Word: κρέας
Transliteration: kreas
Phonetic Pronunciation:
kreh'-as
Root: perhaps a primary word
Cross Reference:
Part of Speech: n n
Vine's Words: Flesh
Usage Notes:
English Words used in KJV:
flesh 2
[Total Count: 2]
perhaps a primary word; (butcher's) meat :- flesh.
WINE
Greek Strong's Number: 3631
Greek Word: οἶνος
Transliteration: oinos
Phonetic Pronunciation:
oy'-nos
Root: a primary word (or perhaps of Hebrew origin <H3196>)
Cross Reference: TDNT - 5:162,680
Part of Speech: n m
Vine's Words: Wine
Usage Notes:
English Words used in KJV:
wine 32
winepress + <G3125> 1
[Total Count: 33]
a primary word (or perhaps of Hebrew origin [<H3196> (yayin)]); “wine” (literal or figurative) :- wine.
If you had only checked the verses I listed, you would have saved yourself a lot of time & trouble.
Speaking of v21:
Romans 14:21 (KJV) [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
FLESH
Greek Strong's Number: 2907
Greek Word: κρέας
Transliteration: kreas
Phonetic Pronunciation:
Root: perhaps a primary word
Cross Reference:
Part of Speech: n n
Vine's Words: Flesh
Usage Notes:
English Words used in KJV:
flesh 2
[Total Count: 2]
perhaps a primary word; (butcher's) meat :- flesh.
WINE
Greek Strong's Number: 3631
Greek Word: οἶνος
Transliteration: oinos
Phonetic Pronunciation:
Root: a primary word (or perhaps of Hebrew origin <H3196>)
Cross Reference: TDNT - 5:162,680
Part of Speech: n m
Vine's Words: Wine
Usage Notes:
English Words used in KJV:
wine 32
winepress + <G3125> 1
[Total Count: 33]
a primary word (or perhaps of Hebrew origin [<H3196> (yayin)]); “wine” (literal or figurative) :- wine.
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