The Sabbath is Here!

[homwardbound]

These verses are referring to a change in the Priesthood. All one has to do is read the entire chapter.

Christ is my high priest forever, and his kingdom is not of this earth, it is in heaven where the true tabernacle is, where I worship daily in Spirit and truth, daily die to me with Christ in the flesh, reckoning me daily dead to sin in this flesh and alive to God in Spirit and truth

[h=3]Hebrews 8:1-4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [SUP]2 [/SUP]a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

 

[homwardbound]

I would say you might want to duck Deuteronomy 30:11-14.
If one understands the meaning of under the weather one would probably understand the meaning of under the law. Are you under the law in where you live? Only when you have offended the law, got caught, found guilty and have to serve the time.
Of course USA, the whole North America for that matter, will soon become lawless and the criminals will soon be under grace.

When one obeys the Law of liberty through belief one is not under Law no need; for they are doers of the Law not hearers trying to be doers, trusting God has taken care of that problem

 

[homwardbound]

"Under the Law" for Salvation? You're right.

Instructed to follow the Law? Yes, we are.

Matthew 5: 17-19

“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Very simple concept. Jesus told His disciples to follow the Law and teach others to do so. Any other opinion that the Bible teaches otherwise is wrong.

Yes you are right, until one comes to full assurance in their salvation from God through Son, then no need for the Law to show one their sinfulness being under it. Nor do we neglect it, rather uphold it as perfect true and correct. But every time it flows though this unredeemed flesh I am buffeted to be reminded I need God and to remain humble
God's grace is sufficient for me, and not to be used as an excuse to get away with sin

 

[homwardbound]

Exactly.

Jesus is the perfect fulfillment of the law, and the perfect sacrifice.

And that's why we walk in obedience to His commands, because He first loved us.

We then thus love all or else how can we:
[h=3]Luke 6:32[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]32 [/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

 

[GregoryC]

It never ceases to amaze me. Men seem to prefer bondage over freedom and darkness before light.
Being ignorant of the gift of righteousness, rather than surrender to Christ they continue going about seeking to establish thier own righteousness.
Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

[homwardbound]

Out of curiosity, when and where did God "cleanse" food that He had already said was "unclean" forever? (Leviticus 11)

It was shown to Peter in the three dreams in Acts, and this was to bring him to the house of Cornelius and family. Peter was not even by Law allowed to step into a Gentile house, yet by the Spirit of God was led to go in and preach. The Gentile family received the Spirit of God without water Baptism, even though Peter by his flesh led them to be water Baptized after they were already Baptized in Spirit and truth from God using Peter as God's vessel.
Anyway in the next Chapter later Peter perceived this as God gave them the very same Spirit by believing God and love is thus poured out to all
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Romans 2:11 for there is no respect of persons with God.

God simply loves us all, and each can worship God as they see fit for them, Yet God can only be worshiped in Spirit and truth
John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spiritand in truth.

What flesh is involved? we are to reckon self dead to flesh are we not, by htre death of Christ is our death to self is it not?

 

[homwardbound]

Now don't be silly with your assumptions, brother.
1) I do not think any less of the New Testament or the book of Acts. Both are anointed by God
2) I have read the book of Acts many times.

My point is this: If God told His people in Leviticus 11 that certain animals were unclean, detestable and abhorrent, He is going to be consistent with what He says in Acts 10. So what's the resolution? Peter's vision had nothing to do with animals or food. God wasn't making food clean because that would contradict what he had already said was unclean, detestable and abhorrent. It was about people...

Acts 10:28 "And he said to them, “You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him; and yet God has shown me that I should not call any man unholy or unclean."

Regardless, this thread is about the Sabbath, not diet. That should be a topic for a different thread.

But rest assured, I'm saved by grace just as much as you are, and am not under the law for salvation, just as much as you are not.

Matt

Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Acts 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

By God through Son all things are cleansed

Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

 

[chubbena]

When one obeys the Law of liberty through belief one is not under Law no need; for they are doers of the Law not hearers trying to be doers, trusting God has taken care of that problem

Law of liberty is abused by quite a few.
The context reads:
Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do.

The perfect law that gives freedom. The freedom from sin. Not the freedom to do whatever we'd like.
And the law is not grievous and is not difficult. Just as He says in Deuteronomy 30:11-14.
It becomes grievous and difficult only when we want to keep our habit and don't want to yield to his way.

 

[chubbena]

It never ceases to amaze me. Men seem to prefer bondage over freedom and darkness before light.
Being ignorant of the gift of righteousness, rather than surrender to Christ they continue going about seeking to establish thier own righteousness.
Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

It's great you quoted Romans 10. It's greater if you read the whole context where Paul quoted from Deuteronomy 30:11-14 where said the law is not difficult.
If one truly understand freedom, one would not condemn those who choose to abide the law.
USA is a land of free (relatively) if one abides the law of USA. If one breaks any of the law, he'll be judged and punished.
Christians are free if we continue to abide His law. If one breaks any, the blood of His Son has paid and will pay for any penalty. The question is, shall we continue to sin that grace may abound?

 

[john832]

It never ceases to amaze me. Men seem to prefer bondage over freedom and darkness before light.
Being ignorant of the gift of righteousness, rather than surrender to Christ they continue going about seeking to establish thier own righteousness.
Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

The amazing misuse of Romans 10:4 never ceases to amaze me...

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

This is quoted and the we are told it means the abolition of the Law. What is the word here for end?

G5056
τέλος
telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.

Does it mean abolition? Or does it mean the goal, the point to be aimed at, the result? Is this word τέλος used elsewhere in the N.T.?

1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end (G5056 - τέλος) of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Oh no, the abolition of our faith? Even worse yet...

Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end (G5056 - τέλος) of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

The abolition of the Lord? Of course not.

G5056 - τέλος can mean end as in the finality of something, the conclusion of something and the meaning, just like many English words, is determined by context. So should G5056 - τέλος in Rom 10:4 mean the abolition of the Law? In the clear light of these statements of Paul...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The writings of Paul uphold the use of g5056 - τέλος as meaning the point of aim or goal, not the abolition.

 

[Karraster]

Thank you for your interpretations, and how you see to be, love it and appreciate your thoughts on the subject, sorry you do not appreciate mine as well. To each their own, I am good between God and me, thanks to Son Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What? That I don't buy your Replacement Theology?

 

[Grandpa]

So who's correct?
Jesus telling His disciples to follow the Law?
Or Paul, who is supposedly saying not to?

Ephesians 3:3-7
[SUP]3 [/SUP]How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.


Everyone is under law until they come to Christ. No one could come to Christ, understanding that He is the Atonement of God, until after He became a Sacrifice for us all. So Christs ministry, for lack of a better term I apologize, is to magnify the Law of God and show by His Life that He is the Perfect Lamb of God. Among other things.

Paul, by revelation of Christ, shows what happens and what is happening when we come to Christ. What it means for the Spirit to reveal these things to us and what it means for us to understand the Love, Grace and Mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul is basically describing the new birth and what it means to be a new creation in Christ.

They are both correct. I think those bible verses explain it better than I did, but I thought I would try anyway...

 

[Grandpa]

What? That I don't buy your Replacement Theology?

What replacement?

Galatians 4:21-29
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Isn't Galatians awesome? I love the bible. If I just told you, according to my experience, the law didn't get me into the Kingdom of God that wouldn't do a whole lot of good. You would just call me crazy or stupid or think it and not change your mind one bit on the matter. But when its in the bible that makes it the word of God and His Word won't come back void. So even if it doesn't effect you right away I have faith that one day it will. May God richly bless you.

 

[Karraster]

Is God everywhere? Yes He is, praise His Name I can meet with Him anytime. Has He said He would meet with me in a special way on Sabbath if I set that day aside for the appointment? YES!!!

 

[Karraster]

Ephesians 3:3-7
[SUP]3 [/SUP]How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.


Everyone is under law until they come to Christ. No one could come to Christ, understanding that He is the Atonement of God, until after He became a Sacrifice for us all. So Christs ministry, for lack of a better term I apologize, is to magnify the Law of God and show by His Life that He is the Perfect Lamb of God. Among other things.

Paul, by revelation of Christ, shows what happens and what is happening when we come to Christ. What it means for the Spirit to reveal these things to us and what it means for us to understand the Love, Grace and Mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul is basically describing the new birth and what it means to be a new creation in Christ.

They are both correct. I think those bible verses explain it better than I did, but I thought I would try anyway...

Did Paul keep Sabbath and the Feasts?

 

[Grandpa]

Did Paul keep Sabbath and the Feasts?

Didn't Paul say that he attempted to be all things to all people in order to win them to Christ?

After Paul received the revelation of Christ he couldn't go back to the way of the shadow in good conscience.

It wouldn't be unlawful for him to participate in those things while attempting to expound who Christ is to people, though.

 

[Karraster]

Didn't Paul say that he attempted to be all things to all people in order to win them to Christ?

After Paul received the revelation of Christ he couldn't go back to the way of the shadow in good conscience.

It wouldn't be unlawful for him to participate in those things while attempting to expound who Christ is to people, though.

In other words, it wouldn't be unlawful to follow the law?

 

[chubbena]

In other words, it wouldn't be unlawful to follow the law?

In other words, Paul is a two faced just like Cephas whom he rebuked - if one thinks Paul considered Sabbath and the feasts optional.

 

[john832]

Christ is my high priest forever, and his kingdom is not of this earth, it is in heaven where the true tabernacle is, where I worship daily in Spirit and truth, daily die to me with Christ in the flesh, reckoning me daily dead to sin in this flesh and alive to God in Spirit and truth

Hebrews 8:1-4

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [SUP]2 [/SUP]a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

The Kingdom will be on the earth...

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

This is what Daniel teaches us...

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

The Kingdom of God breaks the fourth great empire at the time of the return of Christ.

 

[john832]

Didn't Paul say that he attempted to be all things to all people in order to win them to Christ?

A whoremonger to adulterers? An assasin to murderers? Did he compromise God's Law to win them over?

After Paul received the revelation of Christ he couldn't go back to the way of the shadow in good conscience.

Got some scripture for this?

It wouldn't be unlawful for him to participate in those things while attempting to expound who Christ is to people, though.

How about stealing to convert a thief?

MBFM