What makes it impossible for a carnal mind to be subject to the law?
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Sacrifice and offering thous wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: in burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said, I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Hebrews 10:5b-8
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the LORD. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the LORD; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. Hebrews 8:8b-10
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members (flesh), warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I my I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Romans 7:22-25; 8:1,2
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holdyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-17
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the LORD. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the LORD; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. Hebrews 8:8b-10
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members (flesh), warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I my I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Romans 7:22-25; 8:1,2
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holdyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-17
And so literally what are you saying about me? Are you saying I am not of God, rather of the Devil, that God is not hearing me, that I am being blasphemous?
Whether you are or not I pray for us, bless you, love you, care for your soul, do you need to be put out to destroy your own flesh so that your soul may be saved?
Please I have not judged you, I have only asked you direct questions that you have not answered only evaded
Love you as you come to know God just love you, period there is no adding or taking away from God's completed Mercy through Son to all that believe God, are set free form all stress and walk in the light as Christ is.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
If this is you too, then thanking God for this, and I am past tense already thankful
Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
Past tense today that I have entered, thanks to Christ, and too busy thanking and praising God for this to worry whether I sin or not. For worry over one sinning or not creates it to come forth. Trying not to sin reaps flesh and death period
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Whether you are or not I pray for us, bless you, love you, care for your soul, do you need to be put out to destroy your own flesh so that your soul may be saved?
Please I have not judged you, I have only asked you direct questions that you have not answered only evaded
Love you as you come to know God just love you, period there is no adding or taking away from God's completed Mercy through Son to all that believe God, are set free form all stress and walk in the light as Christ is.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
If this is you too, then thanking God for this, and I am past tense already thankful
Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
Past tense today that I have entered, thanks to Christ, and too busy thanking and praising God for this to worry whether I sin or not. For worry over one sinning or not creates it to come forth. Trying not to sin reaps flesh and death period
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Dr. Robert Thiel does a much better job with this than I could...
"What Was Nailed to the Cross?
Since all scripture is given by the inspiration of God so that Christians should be complete (2 Timothy 3:16-17), it is wise to look at more than one verse to determine what, for example, was nailed to the cross.
There is only one only scripture that uses the "nailed it to the cross" expression (AV/NKJ), it is Colossians 2:13-14, in which Paul states,
"And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross".
We will look at what it does and does not say.
First though, let's look at what the last chapter of the last book of the Bible teaches:
"Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city" (Revelation 22:14, NKJV throughout unless otherwise noted).
Since it is only "those who do His commandments...{who} have the right to enter...the city" (Revelation 22:14), the ten commandments could not be "contrary to us". Actually, it is only those who will not keep the ten commandments that are denied access. Revelation specifically shows that those who break one of at least four of the ten commandments will be outside God's city (Revelation 22:15).
So then, if the ten commandments were not "nailed to the cross," what was?
Look again at what the Bible actually says (two translations):
14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross (Colossians 2:14, NKJV)
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.. (Colossians 2:14, NASB)
The handwriting of requirements (often also called the hand-writing of ordinances) or certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross.
Which requirements were wiped out?
Please understand that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" (cheirógrafon toís dógmasin) is a Greek legal expression that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty. It is only through the acceptance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ that the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"). But only the penalty, not the law!
Even some Protestant commentators realize this is so. Notice what Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible states about Colossians 2:14:
Whatever was in force against us is taken out of the way. He has obtained for us a legal discharge from the hand-writing of ordinances, which was against us (v. 14), which may be understood,
1. Of that obligation to punishment in which consists the guilt of sin. The curse of the law is the hand-writing against us, like the hand-writing on Belshazzar's wall. Cursed is every one who continues not in every thing. This was a hand-writing which was against us, and contrary to us; for it threatened our eternal ruin. This was removed when he redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us, Gal 3:13. (from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1991 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.).
In addition, let us look at the Greek term exaleipho translated as "wiped out" in Colossians 2:14:
NT:1813
exaleipho (ex-al-i'-fo); from NT:1537 and NT:218; to smear out, i.e. obliterate (erase tears, figuratively, pardon sin) (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
In other words, exaleipho has to do with wiping out sin. This is also confirmed in Acts 3:19 where Peter also uses the term exaleipho, which is translated as "blotted out" below:
19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord.
Hence, it is sin and the related penalties that are to be blotted or wiped out. And the penalties could vary from "being unclean to the evening" (Leviticus 11:24-28) to making an offering (Leviticus 5:5-6) to being "cut off from his people" (Leviticus 7:27) to the death penalty (Exodus 31:14).
This is also confirmed elsewhere in the New Testament:
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (Galatians 3:13).
The curse of the law is related to the penalty. And Jesus paid it.
But what about the law of God? Was the law of God to be wiped out? No:
17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill (Matthew 5:17)
While some erroneously think that Jesus, for example, did away with the Ten Commandments by how He led His life, that most certainly was not the view of the early Christians who continued to keep them (see also The Ten Commandments and the Early Church).
Furthermore, remember that the Bible clearly teaches that sin is lawlessness:
Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. (I John 3:4-5).
Notice that Paul wrote:
Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? (Romans 6:1-2).
Thus the New Testament makes clear that the law of God continues, thus it was not nailed to the cross or somehow wiped out.
The Bible, however, also shows that the requirements of the Levitical priesthood (Hebrews 9:1,6-10) sometimes called the law, which were part of the penalty of sin, were blotted out.
And why?
"For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins...By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus once for all" (Hebrews 10:4,10).
Jesus' one sacrifice was and is sufficient--we do not have to sacrifice animals any more!
Another requirement (which is related) would be the death penalty of sin, as "the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 6:23) or other specific ceremonial penalties associated with the Old Testament statutes (such as making a sin offering, being put outside the camp, or washing).
For those who wish to look them up, perhaps most of the statutes in the Old Testament are listed in the following chapters: Exodus 20-24; Leviticus 16-27; Numbers 18-19, 27-30, 35-36; and Deuteronomy 12-18."
Which Laws Are Done Away? Which Remain?
"What Was Nailed to the Cross?
Since all scripture is given by the inspiration of God so that Christians should be complete (2 Timothy 3:16-17), it is wise to look at more than one verse to determine what, for example, was nailed to the cross.
There is only one only scripture that uses the "nailed it to the cross" expression (AV/NKJ), it is Colossians 2:13-14, in which Paul states,
"And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross".
We will look at what it does and does not say.
First though, let's look at what the last chapter of the last book of the Bible teaches:
"Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city" (Revelation 22:14, NKJV throughout unless otherwise noted).
Since it is only "those who do His commandments...{who} have the right to enter...the city" (Revelation 22:14), the ten commandments could not be "contrary to us". Actually, it is only those who will not keep the ten commandments that are denied access. Revelation specifically shows that those who break one of at least four of the ten commandments will be outside God's city (Revelation 22:15).
So then, if the ten commandments were not "nailed to the cross," what was?
Look again at what the Bible actually says (two translations):
14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross (Colossians 2:14, NKJV)
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.. (Colossians 2:14, NASB)
The handwriting of requirements (often also called the hand-writing of ordinances) or certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross.
Which requirements were wiped out?
Please understand that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" (cheirógrafon toís dógmasin) is a Greek legal expression that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty. It is only through the acceptance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ that the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"). But only the penalty, not the law!
Even some Protestant commentators realize this is so. Notice what Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible states about Colossians 2:14:
Whatever was in force against us is taken out of the way. He has obtained for us a legal discharge from the hand-writing of ordinances, which was against us (v. 14), which may be understood,
1. Of that obligation to punishment in which consists the guilt of sin. The curse of the law is the hand-writing against us, like the hand-writing on Belshazzar's wall. Cursed is every one who continues not in every thing. This was a hand-writing which was against us, and contrary to us; for it threatened our eternal ruin. This was removed when he redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us, Gal 3:13. (from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1991 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.).
In addition, let us look at the Greek term exaleipho translated as "wiped out" in Colossians 2:14:
NT:1813
exaleipho (ex-al-i'-fo); from NT:1537 and NT:218; to smear out, i.e. obliterate (erase tears, figuratively, pardon sin) (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
In other words, exaleipho has to do with wiping out sin. This is also confirmed in Acts 3:19 where Peter also uses the term exaleipho, which is translated as "blotted out" below:
19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord.
Hence, it is sin and the related penalties that are to be blotted or wiped out. And the penalties could vary from "being unclean to the evening" (Leviticus 11:24-28) to making an offering (Leviticus 5:5-6) to being "cut off from his people" (Leviticus 7:27) to the death penalty (Exodus 31:14).
This is also confirmed elsewhere in the New Testament:
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (Galatians 3:13).
The curse of the law is related to the penalty. And Jesus paid it.
But what about the law of God? Was the law of God to be wiped out? No:
17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill (Matthew 5:17)
While some erroneously think that Jesus, for example, did away with the Ten Commandments by how He led His life, that most certainly was not the view of the early Christians who continued to keep them (see also The Ten Commandments and the Early Church).
Furthermore, remember that the Bible clearly teaches that sin is lawlessness:
Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. (I John 3:4-5).
Notice that Paul wrote:
Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? (Romans 6:1-2).
Thus the New Testament makes clear that the law of God continues, thus it was not nailed to the cross or somehow wiped out.
The Bible, however, also shows that the requirements of the Levitical priesthood (Hebrews 9:1,6-10) sometimes called the law, which were part of the penalty of sin, were blotted out.
And why?
"For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins...By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus once for all" (Hebrews 10:4,10).
Jesus' one sacrifice was and is sufficient--we do not have to sacrifice animals any more!
Another requirement (which is related) would be the death penalty of sin, as "the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 6:23) or other specific ceremonial penalties associated with the Old Testament statutes (such as making a sin offering, being put outside the camp, or washing).
For those who wish to look them up, perhaps most of the statutes in the Old Testament are listed in the following chapters: Exodus 20-24; Leviticus 16-27; Numbers 18-19, 27-30, 35-36; and Deuteronomy 12-18."
Which Laws Are Done Away? Which Remain?
How did you come up with that? The new temple is spiritual not made by man meaning not physical, yet in spirit the same as originally planned by our Father in heaven and His Son our Savior.
Malachi 3:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Hebrews 13:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
The priesthood is now of the tribe of Judah through Christ Jesus. Other than that the spiritual aspects of the law have not changed.
Malachi 3:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Hebrews 13:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
The priesthood is now of the tribe of Judah through Christ Jesus. Other than that the spiritual aspects of the law have not changed.
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So sorry that you seem to not understand that oil and water do not mix as is the same with the letter of the Law and grace not possible to mix
Oil and water in a glass can be stirred up and appear to mix as is what I am now seeing you seem to say Law and grace do mix by stirring it up, and in all is meant by the enemy to cause one to walk in there flesh and sin all the more trapping one in their flesh. Which this ploy has taken on much gloss denying the finished work of my Savior Jesus Christ
Hoe many know of his death and say yeah he died for me, and go no further getting busy with self to obey, never dying to self with Christ in the flesh with Christ back at the cross, in order to see the resurrected Christ for us to be the same resurrected in Spirit not flesh as of yet. So we are to reckon self through Cross of Christ dead to flesh sin and alive to Father in the Spirit of Father, right or wrong?
I think Romans 6 is very clear on this aspect in truth
Oil and water in a glass can be stirred up and appear to mix as is what I am now seeing you seem to say Law and grace do mix by stirring it up, and in all is meant by the enemy to cause one to walk in there flesh and sin all the more trapping one in their flesh. Which this ploy has taken on much gloss denying the finished work of my Savior Jesus Christ
Hoe many know of his death and say yeah he died for me, and go no further getting busy with self to obey, never dying to self with Christ in the flesh with Christ back at the cross, in order to see the resurrected Christ for us to be the same resurrected in Spirit not flesh as of yet. So we are to reckon self through Cross of Christ dead to flesh sin and alive to Father in the Spirit of Father, right or wrong?
I think Romans 6 is very clear on this aspect in truth
In the Bible oil represents the Spirit, and water is for cleansing. Physically they don't mix "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26 (KJV)
Spiritually they do. The law is spiritual according to Paul, and we are cleaned from sin through Christ.
Spiritually they do. The law is spiritual according to Paul, and we are cleaned from sin through Christ.
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I know to be only led by God the Father of Christ. I can not speak for this woman. Yet God did lead Hosea to do what? And led Abraham to take his Son to do what? And do you think others would have agreed with his going forward by Faith
Just as in Job those counselors were wrong were they not.
God said Job will not deny God and neither will I ever, for God loves me that deep and deeper than what I see right now. The hedge has been taken down, and Satan has gone to town to sift me like wheat and has done this. And by all this I have learned to count all things a joy, As Abraham have learned to hear my Father's voice, thanks to Christ the Son my propitiation for sin, not only for mine; the whole world's, Christ is the redeemer as Job said in his time of tragedy that he knew his redeemer liveth
Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
I am at rest in Father through Christ and love as Father loves.
For his sheepo know his voice and do as he asks being my friend
Thanks Lois
Just as in Job those counselors were wrong were they not.
God said Job will not deny God and neither will I ever, for God loves me that deep and deeper than what I see right now. The hedge has been taken down, and Satan has gone to town to sift me like wheat and has done this. And by all this I have learned to count all things a joy, As Abraham have learned to hear my Father's voice, thanks to Christ the Son my propitiation for sin, not only for mine; the whole world's, Christ is the redeemer as Job said in his time of tragedy that he knew his redeemer liveth
Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
I am at rest in Father through Christ and love as Father loves.
For his sheepo know his voice and do as he asks being my friend
Thanks Lois
Thanks for showing the fight that still is going on today:
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
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When you have the carnal mind, that means the sinful human nature you are born with unless you have been born again, in which case you will be walking in the Spirit. If you walk in the Spirit that means you will keep the Law of God.
If you will remember, way back in Genesis when Adam and Eve had sinned, God promised to put enmity between they and the serpent, or the Devil. This means that they would become enemies of Satan rather than enemies of God. This enmity is put in our hearts by the grace of God. We will then have a new purpose for living, new desires, we will be born again.
Jesus said that we need an eye that is single to the glory of God. If we are born again, our entire lives will then be revolved around giving glory to God instead of selfish pursuits.
And so if we are born again, then when we are reading the Scriptures, and we see a requirement or something that is forbidden to do, instead of trying to lie to ourselves and either ignore that verse or passage, or else try to justify our own unchristlike behaviour, we will instead welcome the light in God's Word. We will welcome the light because now we are willing to do whatever God wants for us to do that will glorify Him. We realize that anything God asks of us is for our own welfare. Everything is seen in a new light.
The Bible says
"I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart." Psalm 40:8
What used to be a burden to you to try to do, now becomes a delight.
I hope you don't mind if I quote from my favourite author, Ellen White on this,
Ellen White, Steps to Christ, Page 59
"There is no evidence of genuine repentance unless it works reformation. If he restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, confess his sins, and love God and his fellow men, the sinner may be sure that he has passed from death unto life.
When, as erring, sinful beings, we come to Christ and become partakers of His pardoning grace, love springs up in the heart. Every burden is light, for the yoke that Christ imposes is easy. Duty becomes a delight, and sacrifice a pleasure."
When this takes place in you, called being born again, then you will really want to search the scriptures to find out more and more how to please God. But if you choose to hold onto your carnal mind, then the scripture requirements will seem like a drudgery to you.
"Nothing is drudgery to the one who submits to the will of God. “Doing it unto the Lord” is a thought that throws a charm over whatever work God gives him to do."—Testimonies for the Church 9:150.
“For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous” 1John 5:3
If you will remember, way back in Genesis when Adam and Eve had sinned, God promised to put enmity between they and the serpent, or the Devil. This means that they would become enemies of Satan rather than enemies of God. This enmity is put in our hearts by the grace of God. We will then have a new purpose for living, new desires, we will be born again.
Jesus said that we need an eye that is single to the glory of God. If we are born again, our entire lives will then be revolved around giving glory to God instead of selfish pursuits.
And so if we are born again, then when we are reading the Scriptures, and we see a requirement or something that is forbidden to do, instead of trying to lie to ourselves and either ignore that verse or passage, or else try to justify our own unchristlike behaviour, we will instead welcome the light in God's Word. We will welcome the light because now we are willing to do whatever God wants for us to do that will glorify Him. We realize that anything God asks of us is for our own welfare. Everything is seen in a new light.
The Bible says
"I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart." Psalm 40:8
What used to be a burden to you to try to do, now becomes a delight.
I hope you don't mind if I quote from my favourite author, Ellen White on this,
Ellen White, Steps to Christ, Page 59
"There is no evidence of genuine repentance unless it works reformation. If he restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, confess his sins, and love God and his fellow men, the sinner may be sure that he has passed from death unto life.
When, as erring, sinful beings, we come to Christ and become partakers of His pardoning grace, love springs up in the heart. Every burden is light, for the yoke that Christ imposes is easy. Duty becomes a delight, and sacrifice a pleasure."
When this takes place in you, called being born again, then you will really want to search the scriptures to find out more and more how to please God. But if you choose to hold onto your carnal mind, then the scripture requirements will seem like a drudgery to you.
"Nothing is drudgery to the one who submits to the will of God. “Doing it unto the Lord” is a thought that throws a charm over whatever work God gives him to do."—Testimonies for the Church 9:150.
“For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous” 1John 5:3
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I could not find where the young man knew he was not perfect.
In Matthew, Yeshua said if he want to enter life, keep the commandments. Yeshua says if you want to be perfect, sell all his belongings and follow Him.
Looks to me there are two aspects here.
a. To enter life, not necessarily eternal life here, keep the commandments.
b. To be perfect, one must obey his direct commands, in the young man's case sell everything, and follow Him.
Question is, can we skip entering life into perfectness?
In Mark, the rich young man said he has kept all the commandments since his youth. Then, looking at him, Yeshua loved him and wanted him to follow.
Looks to me Yeshua loved him even though he apparently kept the commandments in the flesh.
Is keeping the commandments in the flesh against the Spirit?
Then this: Luke 10:25-28
Just then an expert in the law stood up to test Him, saying, “Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” “What is written in the law?” He asked him. “How do you read it?” He answered: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself. “You’ve answered correctly,” He told him. “Do this and you will live.”
Question is, did Yeshua say he will live just this life or he will live eternal life?
I'm asking myself these questions so your input is appreciated.
In Matthew, Yeshua said if he want to enter life, keep the commandments. Yeshua says if you want to be perfect, sell all his belongings and follow Him.
Looks to me there are two aspects here.
a. To enter life, not necessarily eternal life here, keep the commandments.
b. To be perfect, one must obey his direct commands, in the young man's case sell everything, and follow Him.
Question is, can we skip entering life into perfectness?
In Mark, the rich young man said he has kept all the commandments since his youth. Then, looking at him, Yeshua loved him and wanted him to follow.
Looks to me Yeshua loved him even though he apparently kept the commandments in the flesh.
Is keeping the commandments in the flesh against the Spirit?
Then this: Luke 10:25-28
Just then an expert in the law stood up to test Him, saying, “Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” “What is written in the law?” He asked him. “How do you read it?” He answered: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself. “You’ve answered correctly,” He told him. “Do this and you will live.”
Question is, did Yeshua say he will live just this life or he will live eternal life?
I'm asking myself these questions so your input is appreciated.
And what about these scriptures that say:
Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Flesh is flesh period brother, and is fighting to be right and admired as =this is going on since Adam and Eve
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
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To add to what I said in my previous post... you must choose to "die daily" as the Apostle Paul said. This means you choose daily to "take up your Cross (of self denial) take His yoke upon you, and follow Him. Its not a one time thing. You have to decide each day to deny your carnal sinful nature and become a partaker of the 'divine nature' as it says in 2Peter 1:4. This is the new birth. Die daily, and Born daily.
Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Faith is dead without the works of God. So who doeth the works we or God?
And Jesus said what about this who does the works? him or Father, is this not to be the same for us the believers? And if not then why did the disciples have to wait before the preaching of the Gospel could be preached by Father through them in the form of the Holy Spirit of truth?
Has this changed I think not?
And Jesus said what about this who does the works? him or Father, is this not to be the same for us the believers? And if not then why did the disciples have to wait before the preaching of the Gospel could be preached by Father through them in the form of the Holy Spirit of truth?
Has this changed I think not?
, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
What is the Commandment here?
Num 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.
And WHO could do this?
Exo 28:1 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.
The sons of Aaron. Only the sons of Aaron could be Priests...
Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Now let's read on...
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Now what Law are we speaking of here?
Exo 28:1 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.
Context here is very important. It plainly shows that the Law being spoken of here is the Law concerning the Priesthood and just who could be a Priest...
Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
This Law is about DNA. It is about the sons of Aaron were the only ones who could be a Priest under the Levitical Priesthood, Judah could not.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
The word carnal here means...
G4559
σαρκικός
sarkikos
sar-kee-kos'
From G4561; pertaining to flesh, that is, (by extension) bodily, temporal, or (by implication) animal, unregenerate: - carnal, fleshly.
Not an evil command, a fleshly command. What Command that had to tdo wtih flesh (DNA)?
Exo 28:1 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
What Commandment? Paul goes on to show...
Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Heb 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
The Commandment we have already looked at, the Commandments that says only the sons of Aaron could be Priests. Jesus Christ was not a son of Aaron, He was not even a Levite, He was a Jew and there fore was disqualified from being a Priest under this Commandment. So, because Christ absolutely will NOT VIOLATE His own Laws, the Law was changed BACK TO that of the Melchisidec Priesthood. This is not at all about changing the Ten Commandments and a cursory reading of the chapter plainly shows this.
The new Law you speak of here is actually a reversion to the Law that existed PRIOR to Ex 28:1. The Law concerning the Mechisdec Priesthood.
This chapter has NOTHING to do with changing the Ten Commandments.[/QUOTE]
And this be the Law of Faith that God the Father counts me as righteous and all others that believe God as well
Thanks
What is the Commandment here?
Num 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.
And WHO could do this?
Exo 28:1 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.
The sons of Aaron. Only the sons of Aaron could be Priests...
Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Now let's read on...
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Now what Law are we speaking of here?
Exo 28:1 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.
Context here is very important. It plainly shows that the Law being spoken of here is the Law concerning the Priesthood and just who could be a Priest...
Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
This Law is about DNA. It is about the sons of Aaron were the only ones who could be a Priest under the Levitical Priesthood, Judah could not.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
The word carnal here means...
G4559
σαρκικός
sarkikos
sar-kee-kos'
From G4561; pertaining to flesh, that is, (by extension) bodily, temporal, or (by implication) animal, unregenerate: - carnal, fleshly.
Not an evil command, a fleshly command. What Command that had to tdo wtih flesh (DNA)?
Exo 28:1 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
What Commandment? Paul goes on to show...
Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Heb 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
The Commandment we have already looked at, the Commandments that says only the sons of Aaron could be Priests. Jesus Christ was not a son of Aaron, He was not even a Levite, He was a Jew and there fore was disqualified from being a Priest under this Commandment. So, because Christ absolutely will NOT VIOLATE His own Laws, the Law was changed BACK TO that of the Melchisidec Priesthood. This is not at all about changing the Ten Commandments and a cursory reading of the chapter plainly shows this.
The new Law you speak of here is actually a reversion to the Law that existed PRIOR to Ex 28:1. The Law concerning the Mechisdec Priesthood.
This chapter has NOTHING to do with changing the Ten Commandments.[/QUOTE]
And this be the Law of Faith that God the Father counts me as righteous and all others that believe God as well
Thanks
Thank you and looking to see all you say it is confusing at times and anything that confuses is not from God, me having wrong interpretation of what you are really trying to say, The enemy works well this way to try to stop communication between each other. So that iron will not sharen iron. And bring out stubborness in us all. seeing this: I am trusting God my teacher to sort it all out in teaching me to be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove.
For truth sets one free and if Chirst sets me free I am free indeed, which am thankful for this free revelation found only through Christ to Father
For truth sets one free and if Chirst sets me free I am free indeed, which am thankful for this free revelation found only through Christ to Father