Works Determine Whether you go to Heaven or Hell
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Works alone, self works, don't mean anything. Faith is the beginning of what means something. In this case, and according to James, work that are of true faith mean something. The Bible calls this firstfruits. Jesus was first, and the firstborn, we become brothers through Christ's family.
Leviticus 23:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
Colossians 1:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
1 Corinthians 15:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
James 1:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
In order to have "fruit" on must do work. Like what Matthew 7:16a says; "Ye shall know them by their fruits."
The fruit of the spirit are works through faith and the first one is loving God's way, NOT OUR WAY!
Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Love is works, and so it is with the rest.
Leviticus 23:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
Colossians 1:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
1 Corinthians 15:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
James 1:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
In order to have "fruit" on must do work. Like what Matthew 7:16a says; "Ye shall know them by their fruits."
The fruit of the spirit are works through faith and the first one is loving God's way, NOT OUR WAY!
Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Love is works, and so it is with the rest.
Galatians 5:22-23 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
The reason that there is no law against the “fruit of the Spirit” is because it is the law and the prophets. These nine attributes are defined as a single fruit.
Matthew 12:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
The disciples who walked directly with Jesus didn't have a full understanding immediately, and gaining understanding in order to walk in the truth was and is imperative.
John 16:12-13 "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."
As we continue in ALL of the word, and grow and mature, I believe that we are given more as we are able to bear it and to walk in it, and it's out with the old leaven, and in with the new. Was this fruit something endorsed in the Epistles only, or was it God’s will from the beginning? Here’s your answer.
Exodus 20:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Leviticus 19:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Deuteronomy 5:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
1 Kings 1:40 (KJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And all the people came up after him, and the people piped with pipes, and rejoiced with great joy, so that the earth rent with the sound of them.
Isaiah 12:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
Exodus 18:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.
Leviticus 3:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And if his offering for a sacrifice of peace offering unto the LORD be of the flock; male or female, he shall offer it without blemish.
Exodus 34:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
2 Samuel 22:36 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy gentleness hath made me great.
Faith is/was ordained as an Old Testament principle to be kept as a priority in the New Testament.
Habakkuk 2:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Romans 1:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Psalm 45:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.
Temperance is self-control as in “not to covet,” or “being drunk” “gluttonous” and so on. It is exhortation of the fruit of the spirit that I endorsed in the only negative, for covet is an attribute of the carnal, and the opposite is the attribute of the Lord’s Holy Spirit.
Exodus 20:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Deuteronomy 21:20-21 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
We would never dream of stoning our own children for being drunk, or rebellious today, but we must still recognize this spiritual aspect. Any loving parent would desire to destroy those actions before they destroy their children. That’s what Jesus has done. God’s love wants us to be separated from those transgressions that separate us from Him. Parents that truly love their children will have the same desire.
Isaiah 32:15-17 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Until the spirit be poured upon us from on high, and the wilderness be a fruitful field, and the fruitful field be counted for a forest.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Then judgment shall dwell in the wilderness, and righteousness remain in the fruitful field.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
The reason that there is no law against the “fruit of the Spirit” is because it is the law and the prophets. These nine attributes are defined as a single fruit.
Matthew 12:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
The disciples who walked directly with Jesus didn't have a full understanding immediately, and gaining understanding in order to walk in the truth was and is imperative.
John 16:12-13 "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."
As we continue in ALL of the word, and grow and mature, I believe that we are given more as we are able to bear it and to walk in it, and it's out with the old leaven, and in with the new. Was this fruit something endorsed in the Epistles only, or was it God’s will from the beginning? Here’s your answer.
Exodus 20:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Leviticus 19:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Deuteronomy 5:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
1 Kings 1:40 (KJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And all the people came up after him, and the people piped with pipes, and rejoiced with great joy, so that the earth rent with the sound of them.
Isaiah 12:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
Exodus 18:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.
Leviticus 3:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And if his offering for a sacrifice of peace offering unto the LORD be of the flock; male or female, he shall offer it without blemish.
Exodus 34:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
2 Samuel 22:36 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy gentleness hath made me great.
Faith is/was ordained as an Old Testament principle to be kept as a priority in the New Testament.
Habakkuk 2:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Romans 1:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Psalm 45:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.
Temperance is self-control as in “not to covet,” or “being drunk” “gluttonous” and so on. It is exhortation of the fruit of the spirit that I endorsed in the only negative, for covet is an attribute of the carnal, and the opposite is the attribute of the Lord’s Holy Spirit.
Exodus 20:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Deuteronomy 21:20-21 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
We would never dream of stoning our own children for being drunk, or rebellious today, but we must still recognize this spiritual aspect. Any loving parent would desire to destroy those actions before they destroy their children. That’s what Jesus has done. God’s love wants us to be separated from those transgressions that separate us from Him. Parents that truly love their children will have the same desire.
Isaiah 32:15-17 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Until the spirit be poured upon us from on high, and the wilderness be a fruitful field, and the fruitful field be counted for a forest.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Then judgment shall dwell in the wilderness, and righteousness remain in the fruitful field.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
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Hi David,
Were you ever on Christian Chat forum under a different name before?
I seem to recall last year there was another with a similar debating style to yours. He got banned for his abusiveness, but your style is not really abusive. Just wondering if you were that same guy, except now without the abuse?
Anyway, it seems we're going to disagree with each other constantly, but in very loooongg posts.
For the sake of brevity I'll address just one point, which no doubt we'll disagree on too. At least it will be a shortish post and therefore less time consuming and also of more interest to most of us here who don't have the time for long convoluted posts.
You quote above 1John3:8 and then conclude that good works are good deeds, which you suggest is the determining factor of whether someone is of the devil or not.
I get the picture from your posts that you seem to follow a doctrine that mixes grace with works of the law.
What are the works of the devil?
Consider John 8:41-44
Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Jesus was addressing the scribes and Pharisees here. Legalists under the law for righteousness by works. What I suspect you claim are "good works".
The DEAD WORKS of the devil and those like him ( unbelievers/legalists) is sin. Such will not submit to the righteousness of God, and instead seek to establish their own righteousness under the law.
rom 10:4
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Believers however, have repented of their DEAD WORKS, Heb 6:1.
Our faith is counted for righteousness now, Rom 4:5
The good works that Christians do that shows our faith is to believe on Jesus, John 6:29.
But those into "bad works" are those in unbelief. They remain under the law for righteousness by works. Such often follow a lukewarm mix of grace with works of the law. And in doing this they reject that Jesus is the Christ, as we cannot mix grace with works of these law, Rom 11:6.
And remember John 8:44 that the devil is a liar, and the father of it?
And who is a "liar"?
1John 2:22-25
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning (the gospel of grace). If that which ye have heard from the beginning (the gospel of grace) shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
Good works = believe on Jesus, John 6:29
bad works = unbelief= righteousness by deeds of the law or even a lukewarm mix of grace with works of the law.
Were you ever on Christian Chat forum under a different name before?
I seem to recall last year there was another with a similar debating style to yours. He got banned for his abusiveness, but your style is not really abusive. Just wondering if you were that same guy, except now without the abuse?
Anyway, it seems we're going to disagree with each other constantly, but in very loooongg posts.
For the sake of brevity I'll address just one point, which no doubt we'll disagree on too. At least it will be a shortish post and therefore less time consuming and also of more interest to most of us here who don't have the time for long convoluted posts.
You quote above 1John3:8 and then conclude that good works are good deeds, which you suggest is the determining factor of whether someone is of the devil or not.
I get the picture from your posts that you seem to follow a doctrine that mixes grace with works of the law.
What are the works of the devil?
Consider John 8:41-44
Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Jesus was addressing the scribes and Pharisees here. Legalists under the law for righteousness by works. What I suspect you claim are "good works".
The DEAD WORKS of the devil and those like him ( unbelievers/legalists) is sin. Such will not submit to the righteousness of God, and instead seek to establish their own righteousness under the law.
rom 10:4
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Believers however, have repented of their DEAD WORKS, Heb 6:1.
Our faith is counted for righteousness now, Rom 4:5
The good works that Christians do that shows our faith is to believe on Jesus, John 6:29.
But those into "bad works" are those in unbelief. They remain under the law for righteousness by works. Such often follow a lukewarm mix of grace with works of the law. And in doing this they reject that Jesus is the Christ, as we cannot mix grace with works of these law, Rom 11:6.
And remember John 8:44 that the devil is a liar, and the father of it?
And who is a "liar"?
1John 2:22-25
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning (the gospel of grace). If that which ye have heard from the beginning (the gospel of grace) shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
Good works = believe on Jesus, John 6:29
bad works = unbelief= righteousness by deeds of the law or even a lukewarm mix of grace with works of the law.
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I believe that you have mans doctrine during the time of Jesus confused with God's doctrine during the time of Moses. They are certainly not the same. They are against each other.
John 7:16-19 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
John 5:44-47 (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
The following is the law. God's law, not man's, or the Pharisaical law.
Deuteronomy 6:1-5 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Leviticus 19:11-18 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
John 14:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Matthew 22:37-40 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Jesus gave the God's law to Moses because He is the creator of all. The Pharisaical law is man's law not God's.
Colossians 1:16-20 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
John 12:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
Mark 3:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
Am I saying God's law brings salvation by the works thereof? No
Nevertheless we should not negate it with mistaking rhetoric that doesn't match all scripture.
John 7:16-19 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
John 5:44-47 (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
The following is the law. God's law, not man's, or the Pharisaical law.
Deuteronomy 6:1-5 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Leviticus 19:11-18 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
John 14:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Matthew 22:37-40 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Jesus gave the God's law to Moses because He is the creator of all. The Pharisaical law is man's law not God's.
Colossians 1:16-20 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
John 12:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
Mark 3:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
Am I saying God's law brings salvation by the works thereof? No
Nevertheless we should not negate it with mistaking rhetoric that doesn't match all scripture.
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I see that you're playing judge in more ways than just works. 
Btw, there was no debate, and if there was, my point clearly stands as he didnt even make one. He just agreed with KJVs ending on James' quote(without justifying it), but as was clearly shown, its wrong. Opening statement of quote, to end quote. Can't get past it.
Btw, there was no debate, and if there was, my point clearly stands as he didnt even make one. He just agreed with KJVs ending on James' quote(without justifying it), but as was clearly shown, its wrong. Opening statement of quote, to end quote. Can't get past it.
I see that you're playing judge in more ways than just works.
Btw, there was no debate, and if there was, my point clearly stands as he didnt even make one. He just agreed with KJVs ending on James' quote(without justifying it), but as was clearly shown, its wrong. Opening statement of quote, to end quote. Can't get past it.
Btw, there was no debate, and if there was, my point clearly stands as he didnt even make one. He just agreed with KJVs ending on James' quote(without justifying it), but as was clearly shown, its wrong. Opening statement of quote, to end quote. Can't get past it.
James 2:14-26 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
I'll quote another version.
CJB
14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith but has no actions to prove it? Is such "faith" able to save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food, 16and someone says to him, "Shalom! Keep warm and eat hearty!" without giving him what he needs, what good does it do? 17 Thus, faith by itself, unaccompanied by actions, is dead. 18 But someone will say that you have faith and I have actions. Show me this faith of yours without the actions, and I will show you my faith by my actions! 19 You believe that "God is one"? Good for you! The demons believe it too - the thought makes them shudder with fear! 20 But, foolish fellow, do you want to be shown that such "faith" apart from actions is barren? 21 Wasn't Avraham avinu declared righteous because of actions when he offered up his son Yitz'chak on the altar? 22 You see that his faith worked with his actions; by the actions the faith was made complete; 23 and the passage of the Tanakh was fulfilled which says, "Avraham had faith in God, and it was credited to his account as righteousness." He was even called God's friend. 24 You see that a person is declared righteous because of actions and not because of faith alone. 25 Likewise, wasn't Rachav the prostitute also declared righteous because of actions when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by another route? 26 Indeed, just as the body without a spirit is dead, so too faith without actions is dead.
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Hi Just-me,
Not exactly sure about what you are saying. There are so many differing doctrines presented on forums that it often takes more direct explanations to present ones idea clearly. I think we may have discussed issues before but that was some time ago and I can't recall the doctrine you follow.
I agree the commandments we keep are to love the Lord thy God, and love one another. We see the same in 1John 3:22,23.
But the 10 commandments along with the rest of the law are not the works God seeks of us. You say that salvation by works of the law is not how we gain salvation. That's good to hear. But are you saying, like some others here, that obedience to the law are the works that God expects as evidence of one having the Holy Spirit?
I've come across many doctrines that subtly mix grace with works of the law, and this should not be, Rom 11:6.
Not exactly sure about what you are saying. There are so many differing doctrines presented on forums that it often takes more direct explanations to present ones idea clearly. I think we may have discussed issues before but that was some time ago and I can't recall the doctrine you follow.
I agree the commandments we keep are to love the Lord thy God, and love one another. We see the same in 1John 3:22,23.
But the 10 commandments along with the rest of the law are not the works God seeks of us. You say that salvation by works of the law is not how we gain salvation. That's good to hear. But are you saying, like some others here, that obedience to the law are the works that God expects as evidence of one having the Holy Spirit?
I've come across many doctrines that subtly mix grace with works of the law, and this should not be, Rom 11:6.
Read the previous post #127. James says it better than I ever could. In the law are instructions that can only be seen as a positive influence to actions only through the Spirit of God. Rejecting that is well said by Paul.
Romans 8:5-8 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
The physical temple worship is gone, yet is relevant to the temple not made by hands, but by Christ Himself. The responsibility that God has given us in the law is the Spiritual persuasion of love defined therein.
Example
Leviticus 19:11-18 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
The love commandment are not anything new. They are old testament. Jesus taught that, and all He taught before His death was old testament. And the blood still counts as it did then, and the bloodletting is over, but it still counts as necessary.
Hebrews 9:16-22 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Christ's sacrifice is law.
Romans 8:5-8 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
The physical temple worship is gone, yet is relevant to the temple not made by hands, but by Christ Himself. The responsibility that God has given us in the law is the Spiritual persuasion of love defined therein.
Example
Leviticus 19:11-18 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
The love commandment are not anything new. They are old testament. Jesus taught that, and all He taught before His death was old testament. And the blood still counts as it did then, and the bloodletting is over, but it still counts as necessary.
Hebrews 9:16-22 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Christ's sacrifice is law.
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Psalm 69:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.
Romans 15:2-4 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Romans 8:24-25 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Why are we sacred of the law, and works?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.
Romans 15:2-4 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Romans 8:24-25 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Why are we sacred of the law, and works?
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FYI to all
Isaiah 55:7-11 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Isaiah 55:7-11 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
there are two groups in the fields there are the fleshy and there ise the spiritual the spiritual do what the father says and say nothing ofthemselves only to respond it is my father that does the works the fleshy say you have to do this', you have to do that but when that and even some of the flesh say works hah !all whiles the works of God is his word then the flesh dies they see that t is only our God bdoing the works we are but instruments our God does the works because we have surrendered to our own labors and all that remains is the works of God manifest the fruit of the spirit i all righteousness
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Viewing the Standard King James Version (Pure Cambridge). Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of Galatians Chapter 5
[SUP]1[/SUP] Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[SUP]2[/SUP] Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
[SUP]3[/SUP] For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[SUP]4[/SUP] Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[SUP]5[/SUP] For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
[SUP]6[/SUP] For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
[SUP]7[/SUP] Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
[SUP]8[/SUP] This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
[SUP]9[/SUP] A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
[SUP]10[/SUP] I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
[SUP]11[/SUP] And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
[SUP]12[/SUP] I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
[SUP]13[/SUP] For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
[SUP]14[/SUP] For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]15[/SUP] But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
[SUP]16[/SUP] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
[SUP]17[/SUP] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
[SUP]18[/SUP] But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[SUP]19[/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[SUP]20[/SUP] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[SUP]21[/SUP] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22[/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23[/SUP] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[SUP]24[/SUP] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
[SUP]25[/SUP] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
[SUP]26[/SUP] Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
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Viewing the Standard King James Version (Pure Cambridge). Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of Galatians Chapter 5
[SUP]1[/SUP] Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[SUP]2[/SUP] Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
[SUP]3[/SUP] For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[SUP]4[/SUP] Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[SUP]5[/SUP] For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
[SUP]6[/SUP] For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
[SUP]7[/SUP] Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
[SUP]8[/SUP] This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
[SUP]9[/SUP] A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
[SUP]10[/SUP] I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
[SUP]11[/SUP] And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
[SUP]12[/SUP] I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
[SUP]13[/SUP] For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
[SUP]14[/SUP] For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]15[/SUP] But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
[SUP]16[/SUP] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
[SUP]17[/SUP] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
[SUP]18[/SUP] But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[SUP]19[/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[SUP]20[/SUP] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[SUP]21[/SUP] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22[/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23[/SUP] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[SUP]24[/SUP] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
[SUP]25[/SUP] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
[SUP]26[/SUP] Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
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Viewing the Standard King James Version (Pure Cambridge). Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of Galatians Chapter 5
[SUP]1[/SUP] Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[SUP]2[/SUP] Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
[SUP]3[/SUP] For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[SUP]4[/SUP] Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[SUP]5[/SUP] For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
[SUP]6[/SUP] For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
[SUP]7[/SUP] Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
[SUP]8[/SUP] This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
[SUP]9[/SUP] A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
[SUP]10[/SUP] I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
[SUP]11[/SUP] And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
[SUP]12[/SUP] I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
[SUP]13[/SUP] For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
[SUP]14[/SUP] For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]15[/SUP] But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
[SUP]16[/SUP] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
[SUP]17[/SUP] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
[SUP]18[/SUP] But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[SUP]19[/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[SUP]20[/SUP] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[SUP]21[/SUP] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22[/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23[/SUP] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[SUP]24[/SUP] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
[SUP]25[/SUP] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
[SUP]26[/SUP] Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
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[SUP]1[/SUP] Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[SUP]2[/SUP] Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
[SUP]3[/SUP] For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
[SUP]4[/SUP] Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
[SUP]5[/SUP] For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
[SUP]6[/SUP] For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
[SUP]7[/SUP] Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
[SUP]8[/SUP] This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
[SUP]9[/SUP] A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
[SUP]10[/SUP] I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
[SUP]11[/SUP] And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
[SUP]12[/SUP] I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
[SUP]13[/SUP] For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
[SUP]14[/SUP] For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]15[/SUP] But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
[SUP]16[/SUP] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
[SUP]17[/SUP] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
[SUP]18[/SUP] But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[SUP]19[/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[SUP]20[/SUP] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[SUP]21[/SUP] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22[/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23[/SUP] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[SUP]24[/SUP] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
[SUP]25[/SUP] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
[SUP]26[/SUP] Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
[SUP]14[/SUP] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
The Golden Rule
Matthew Chapter 7 : 9
[SUP]15[/SUP] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[SUP]16[/SUP] Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[SUP]17[/SUP] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[SUP]18[/SUP] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[SUP]19[/SUP] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[SUP]20[/SUP] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[SUP]21[/SUP] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]22[/SUP] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23[/SUP] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[SUP]24[/SUP] Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Matthew Chapter 7 : 9
[SUP]15[/SUP] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[SUP]16[/SUP] Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[SUP]17[/SUP] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[SUP]18[/SUP] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[SUP]19[/SUP] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[SUP]20[/SUP] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[SUP]21[/SUP] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]22[/SUP] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23[/SUP] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[SUP]24[/SUP] Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
now the works of God are in the spirit bearing much fruit a transformed life not just in deeds but un every thought feeling that we are truly reborn of the spirit in christ but the fruit that brings death is [SUP]19[/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[SUP]20[/SUP] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[SUP]21[/SUP] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]20[/SUP] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[SUP]21[/SUP] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.