What makes it impossible for a carnal mind to be subject to the law?

just-me · Mar 25, 2014

I agree with that.

Romans 12:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Luke 17:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.

2 Corinthians 10:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly,

just-me · Mar 25, 2014

homwardbound said:

Sorry brother, I don't understand this phrase that you used "God used all the evil top stay with his promise to Abraham," Could you explain that please?

john832 · Mar 25, 2014

Grandpa said:

It was good enough for these Gentiles...

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
1Co 11:21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
1Co 11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Notice this is not about the resurrection? It is about His death in our stead.

1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

And Christ said this about the Passover He kept with His disciples after instituting the foot-washing, bread and wine...

Joh 13:4 He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
Joh 13:5 After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
Joh 13:6 Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
Joh 13:7 Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
Joh 13:8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
Joh 13:9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
Joh 13:10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
Joh 13:11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
Joh 13:12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
Joh 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
Joh 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

An example that they should do? Why, He was crucified the very next day, os apparently that did not put an end to this.

Joh 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
Joh 13:17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

I weep for those who are so blinded they can't even see the simple Passover service Christ instituted for His.

peacefulbeliever · Mar 25, 2014

just-me said:

Jesus Christ is the light that cast the Law into shadow and it will ever be present in the shadow of the new covenant that Christ death and resurrection brought. He brought us into the holies of holies, into the very presence of His Father by shedding forth the gift of holy Spirit wherein we are one with him. Something the Law could never do.

John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. and the light shineth in darkness and the darkness comprehended it not.; 9) That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them saying, I am the light of the world; he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Hebrews 10:18-20 Now where remission of these is there is more offering for sin. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way, which he hath consecreated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

just-me · Mar 25, 2014

peacefulbeliever said:

Hebrews 4:15-16 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

So the new covenant is through the Spirit, given to us by Christ Jesus, the high Priest of the temple made without hands, observing the old covenant shadow of things to come, by the Spirit who gave both the old and the new. Long sentence, AMEN sis

homwardbound · Mar 25, 2014

Hoffco said:

I am wondering if you might see this you are talking out of two sides of your mouth and this is not meant to offend or condemn, just hoping you see this billy goat of talk you talk.

Then you say:

One side of your mouth you say it is all God, Then you throw in the but, Like a billy goat when it buts in, it discounts all that was said prior
Do you see this "BUT" that discounts takes away what you said prior?

homwardbound · Mar 25, 2014

just-me said:

In Christ there is no more shadow, outside of Christ there is a shadow
Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

In Christ we are no longer in the shadow trying to be perfect in Christ thanks to Christ we are made by Christ perfect to Father an Father from this acceptance of us has given us mew life in Father the Spirit not the flesh

Or do you not see this:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Now if you read the other verses around this, you might see it is by Faith in God's finished work we are made and kept this way, from Father and none of self

Colossians 1:23 if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

homwardbound · Mar 25, 2014

Brother_Don said:

Ever think this
Flesh is what keeps you from the perfection offered through the finished work provided at the cross for you

Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Just ask God about this passing on from any and all self works that keep you in your sin?

homwardbound · Mar 25, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

Or is that what is happening whenever one sins? I know and am convinced that any and every time I have sinned or might in the future it is my Flesh that tricked me that is under the Law of sin and death, and never the new man that I am thanks to Father. So should we thus learn to know when we sin it is our unredeemed flesh and need to learn how to forsake the Law of sin and death? Just a little steak to chew on at least as from where I am seeing this

I see this as the best is to die daily, be conformable to Christ's death, so that I might be able to see the free gift of father through Son by the resurrected Christ? I never saw this by works to try and do right, all i did am=nd do when I try to do is get worse and tried harder got better, only to be proud and boastful to my shame, I get buffeted by a messenger of Satan to humble me 2 Cor 12 God's grace is sufficient for me

Brother_Don · Mar 25, 2014

Homwardbound i'm not sure what you was saying, are you perfect? if so glad to meet you because you are the first perfect person i've met, and i've been a lot of places.

Brother_Don · Mar 25, 2014

if i could lay this flesh down and leave it behind i would, a thought can be a sin, Jesus said if you think it you did it, i can't control a thought from entering my mind, but i can ask forgiveness of my thoughts.

just-me · Mar 25, 2014

homwardbound said:

If the light is shining we are going to see a shadow unless the substance of faith disappears. Laws of God's creation. He made it that way for good reason.

Brother_Don · Mar 25, 2014

when the Almighty wants us to be perfect we will be, its what He is doing in us.

homwardbound · Mar 25, 2014

just-me said:

We are under a new priesthood, the law that was given 430 years later was to show them their need to have faith in God and thus love all as God does love all. The law as posted earlier is the shadow and not God himself to the better promise in Christ in the order of Melchizedek, under new laws not law
You have read these verses before:
[h=3]Hebrews 7:11-12[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

A change of Law to what? LAWS, see this, the two Laws of Love that are the greatest of all commandments
We are not under the law of condemnation anymore because we have unredeemed flesh. this is what changed via the cross in the resurrected Christ being risen from death to life in the resurrected Christ in the Spirit of God.
God's operation to us a free gift, and works of flesh are not a gift are they?: so any works of self make God's gift void
We move and have our being by God the Father only
Hope this helps to explain and only God can reveal this to you, praying so

john832 · Mar 25, 2014

Brother_Don said:

Brother_Don, when a thought enters your mind, you can't control that. What you can do is control what happens to that thought once it enters. You can put it back out or you can harbor it.

When the thought enters, it is temptation. Even Christ was tempted, but He NEVER allowed the thought to stay and grow into sin. Notice what James says here about temptation, lust, sin and death...

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Jesus Christ had thoughts that could have led to sin enter His mind when He was on earth...

***edit, what I originally wrote here was in error, this is more accurate***

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

You can bet that Satan was working overtime to try to get Christ to maek one little mistake but He never did. But notice, "yet without sin". He never allowed a wrong thought to stay and always vehemently conquered them.

homwardbound · Mar 25, 2014

Brother_Don said:

Wrong interpretation, God mis the only one Father of Christ even Christ said this and is the only one that ever pleased Father in the flesh or ever will
Jesus was born a life-giving Spirit to give us new life in the Spirit and kill the flesh.
Well is that not what happened his flesh went to the death so we can agree and reckon ourselves dead as well to flesh?
Then what? the resurrection is that for him or for us to be revived in Spirit and truth as is the only way Father can be worshiped today or do we just go on with our bad selves and get proud and boastful or so guilty we can't make it and quit?
Or trust God in this:
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

And see what is said to you and all is truth God through Son sees you as perfect whether you sin or not we have Christ as our advocate

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

When are you going to settle this between God and you and you and you God Christ is:

1 John 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world
1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Romans 3:25 whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

How soon Brother is any sin past? Is it faster than you can ask God for more forgiveness. It is as soon as it is past forgiven by God thanks to Christ is it not? It is finished according to Christ John 19:30, he did what he came to do and it is finished in me, in you and anyone when they settle this issue and trust God to do in them what they know they can't do in self. God moves us on into the new life Son came to give them new life in the Spirit and dead to the flesh, done in the resurrected Christ for us a gift from God to you
Love you Brother and I do not claim to be perfect I claim God to be this for me

homwardbound · Mar 25, 2014

just-me said:

The evil that his Brothers did to him and sold him to the Ismaelites and they to the Egyptians, spent time in Jail falsely accused of things he did not do, read the whole story and where he tells his Brothers to whom they bowed to just as he told them they would he saw it in their dreams. He stayed trusting God through it all. Can we do this as well trust Gods that God did do what God says he did through Son?

homwardbound · Mar 25, 2014

Brother_Don said:

I think yes when flesh is redeemed yes, so in the mean time reckon thyself here dead to flesh and alive to God in Spirit and stay there where there is no sin

[h=3]Romans 6:1[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Read on Brother we are by Christ's death when one believes are dead to flesh sin period and all sin is condemned to the flesh all the more reason to reckon self dead to the flesh by the death of
Christ and alive to Father by the resurrected Christ here today right now walk as Christ walked in the Spirit of Father only, all Things are possible with God and God made this possible via his Spirit via the resurrected Son

homwardbound · Mar 25, 2014

[h=3]Romans 6:11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

just-me · Mar 25, 2014

homwardbound said:

That story makes me cry, as Joseph cried. It is glorious, and the pain that needed to be revealed, and released is pain that we all face from one time or another. The grace of God that brought them together is fabulous!!!!!!

The other story is the reconciliation between Jacob and Esau.

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