He Comes Back as the King of Israel

[RedTent]

I wish more of us could just say "I don't know" about the specifics of how God is going to carry everything out. The Jews are returning to Jerusalem, we know that, that is true now and even though it was prophesied, it wasn't true for almost 2,000 years after Christ. The Jews will acknowledge Christ we are told. Well, right now a lot of them aren't even acknowledging God, to say nothing of Christ and how God is going to accomplish that is a question. We don't know how or when.

Scripture tells us that God will never forget the Jews because of what they did for us the times they listened to God, yet many of our biblical scholars say that God took away any blessing or thanks He had for them and gave them to us, and scholars say we are so lily white because we accept Christ. I've studied history of how we treated the Jews, and lily white we are not.

We know the important things about it. God will take care of us. We also know that we are accepting sin as normal more and more, denying the law as valid for us, not obeying Christ, and demons are becoming more and more active in our world through our acceptance of sin. We are going to have a tough time of it, including the saints. We are told to hang tight to the Lord, even if our world gets so difficult we have to give up our lives here, because we can trust our eternal life to Christ.

It is enough to know.

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

The law is spiritual, in righteousness. But it doesn't soak within as with the Holy Spirit. Our new nature is from within, not outside by law keeping you know that. You know that inner change must occur before outer change appears. Paul talks a lot about that in Romans. Jeremiah briefs it in prophecy.

Great Post Spoken!

 

[Karraster]

I can only speak for myself, but understanding how to relate to Israel and seeing the Hebrew mindset has only Majorly increased my understanding of the entire Bible. Also, I want to educate myself about how to speak to those who keep Torah but haven't found Messiah yet.

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

Which Jesus do you speak about? I ask, because I don't assume.

There are 2 very different Messiahs, and 2 different types.

The Jews know prophesy and know that the Jesus being preached mainstream is not the true Messiah.

The real Jesus/Yahshua/Messiah, would never go against what His Father said was ETERNAL.

So again, which Jesus do you talk about? The one who agrees with Father, or the one who rebelled against Father?

If you have any doubts about the wickedness of the Judiazers in this room,
here it is!!!!!!

 

[JaumeJ]

So you are in agreement that obedience is right, and disobedience is evil, correct?

If you have any doubts about the wickedness of the Judiazers in this room,
here it is!!!!!!

 

[Karraster]

If you have any doubts about the wickedness of the Judiazers in this room,
here it is!!!!!!

Your hatred is palatable. I will say a prayer for you.

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

Your hatred is palatable. I will say a prayer for you.

I would rather not have the prayers of Satan if you don't mind!

Besides that I said nothing in hatred, I just put YOUR post out there,
for folks to see the corruptness of it!

 

[RedTent]

I can only speak for myself, but understanding how to relate to Israel and seeing the Hebrew mindset has only Majorly increased my understanding of the entire Bible. Also, I want to educate myself about how to speak to those who keep Torah but haven't found Messiah yet.

Amen. I've been asked by a Jew and blew it. I have had two opportunities since, and did so much better because I had studied how they think and also understand their devotion to God that often makes the gentile Christian devotion look very tame. Paul teaches to go along with others and build them up, and from that stance I found you can introduce the next step for them, you can introduce Christ.

 

[Karraster]

El Shaddai -- Amy Grant - YouTube

 

[RedTent]

If you have any doubts about the wickedness of the Judiazers in this room,
here it is!!!!!!

And you have proved your wickedness, for it is wicked to profess yourself as against the word, as scripture is.

 

[Karraster]

Amen. I've been asked by a Jew and blew it. I have had two opportunities since, and did so much better because I had studied how they think and also understand their devotion to God that often makes the gentile Christian devotion look very tame. Paul teaches to go along with others and build them up, and from that stance I found you can introduce the next step for them, you can introduce Christ.

It happened with me over 10 years ago, at a dinner party, a very nice Jewish couple who didn't think Jesus was Messiah. I royally blew it. I just could not understand at that time. I know now that everything is in God's hands and I have little power over anything. Except that is, that I am feeling so compelled in my heart to reach out, so God must want me to do something, just I have no idea what it is. I keep studying, and praying. All in God's timing I know.

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

And you have proved your wickedness, for it is wicked to profess yourself as against the word, as scripture is.

Say what ever makes you feel better redtent!
I do not profess the wickedness of the Jews, over the Church of Jesus Christ!
Thank you karraster for the perfect quote from your mouth to God's ears!
I hope the young people in here will read this as Spoken did,
it's not hard to tell the truth from the lie, when something is written down for all to see!

 

[prodigal]

Moderator watching...there's a point in time where its best just to move on

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

Moderator watching...there's a point in time where its best just to move on

Were you watching when these same particular people were jumping on an 18 yr old,
Christian, who was just asking questions? and trying to be apart of something bigger then himself?

And as thy go from thread to thread trying to run people out of here who don't believe in their Judiazer ways?

tks for moderating!

 

[prodigal]

there are so many threads on forums that we rely on members to report any misconduct, and we do our upmost to keep to established rules, and try to keep a platform of peace and and respect for one another, . Blessings..

 

[ProphetExcalibur]

there are so many threads on forums that we rely on members to report any misconduct, and we do our upmost to keep to established rules, and try to keep a platform of peace and and respect for one another, . Blessings..

What a perfect P C answer from a trusted moderator!....blessings

 

[Elin]

Which Jesus do you speak about? I ask, because I don't assume.

There are 2 very different Messiahs, and 2 different types.

The Jews know prophesy and know that the Jesus being preached mainstream is not the true Messiah.

The real Jesus/Yahshua/Messiah, would never go against what His Father said was ETERNAL.

So again, which Jesus do you talk about? The one who agrees with Father, or the one who rebelled against Father?

Are you saying the NT record presents a Jesus who rebelled against his Father?

 

[Elin]

If my words confuse you, imagine how the Jewish people might feel!!! Twisting scripture is confusion, not me agreeing with the Messiah that died for us.

I am trying my best to be clear on what I believe. I have always believed in Jesus, since I was a child. My whole family went to church on Sunday, and the consensus was be a good person and believe in Jesus. Jesus did away with the old testament
Now I know that is false! He said Himself He did not come to do away with the Law, but to fulfill what is written of Him. I was relying on preachers to tell me the Word instead of reading it myself.

He made the distinction not to follow man's laws, but adhere to what the Father gave Moses, love God, love man (10 commandments). It's not about washing hands or which shoe to put on first etc. as the Pharisees taught.

Furthermore, we never even learned about the Feast of the Lord! It's just wrong, all the stuff I've heard in Church all these years. And this is what is confusing, that we mistakenly think we can believe Jesus died for us so we can live as we please. So it's no wonder the Jewish people don't believe, because we have twisted the Messiah's Words.

So basically, a false Messiah is being preached if they say He did away with all the law, prophets, and feasts. And that is what is being preached in most churches today.

Jesus is the fulfillment of all those shadows of the law, the prophets and the feasts.

We have the complete fulfillment, why would we go back to their mere shadows?

 

[Elin]

Please spare me your lifeless words,..... "The new law is inner change. Does this make sense? Inner change is the yoke to the egg. That's what we obey, inner godliness, which then automatically obeys the ten commandments, does this make sense."10 commandments (let's leave out the Sabbath for later)" No, it contradicts itself.

I've heard enough of the egg/yoke, and what you say is precisely what I walk, no RUN away from. I am studying the Bible, this time with a clear head. I am purging all the man made analogies, and commentary.

The pure Word, nothing more nothing less.[SUP]
13 [/SUP]Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. {lawlessness}

Yes, that would be disobedience to the NT commands, the most important being Mt 22:37-39,
which fulfills the law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8-10).

It's not complicated.

 

[Elin]

Here's a little meat to go with your potatoes...

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Blindness has happened to Israel. Why?

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

How? Isn't there only one way?

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

But God has blinded Israel (not only Israel but most of the world) at this time...

Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Not everyone can understand the mysteries of heaven. There is a special miracle that must occur in the mind of anyone who comes to the Father through Christ...

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Now until this happens, EVERYONE is in this condition...

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Why?

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Not some small tribe of 43 people in the Amazon, the WHOLE WORLD. The SDAs have this false doctrine of the Great Controversy and almost everyone has bought into it. This doctrine says that God is desparately trying to save everyone right now, today. It also says that the Devil is doing everything he can to thwart God's plan and send everyone to the Lake of Fire. If this doctrine is correct, who is winning? Who is the greatest and most powerful? The truth is that God is not trying to save everyone today...

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

And yet we read...

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Seems to be a dichotomy here. How do we resolve it? Stay tuned for part II.

No dichotomy.

"And so (in a remnant, as now) all (true-Ro 9:8, 27, 11:5) Israel will be saved." (Ro 11:26)