Talking against the law is dangerous

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OK I WILL EXPLAIN IVANCO if you can love your nieghbour as your self and this includes all nieghbour you will no longer sin.

BUT I TELL YOU that you are a long way from this but i will pray for you ok
God is included in this equation. (smile)

Deuteronomy 6:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
 
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yes and i suppose when you love your neighbor as your self you no longer sin as spoke of in 1john 5:18


1 John 5:18

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

Yes. I love all of you, this is why I keep writing to show you the real gospel of Jesus. sorry if here and there I lost my patience and called some one pharisee, or doctor of the law. 'I apologize'

But it drive me nuts when the simple gospel of Jesus is distorted by judaizer ideologies.

-there was two streams of cristianisim:
One the Jews, who lived his Judaizim + christianisim.
Two The Gentiles, they do not have to follow Moses Law, but the Law of Grace.

If you Understand this then the scriptures are easy to be Understood. ("the apostol to the circumcision, and the apostle to the in circumcision")

If you want to have only one stream, then is impossible to conciliate all the scriptures.

This is why the argument is endless to infinitum.....
well if you so say so but im sorry i have to say to you that you thinking you are teaching the real gospel is like me thinking i am the king its that simple,

And what I know is this he who claims that he can love all of neighbor is a liar because he who claims to be with out sin is also a liar and my friend that is that and i except your apology thank you for we know that he who is born of god does not continue to sin which i think means he who knows what he is doing wrong he stops
 
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God is included in this equation. (smile)

Deuteronomy 6:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
well done great point i never even thought of that until you just said just me :)
 
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OK I WILL EXPLAIN IVANCO if you can love your nieghbour as your self and this includes all nieghbour you will no longer sin.

BUT I TELL YOU that you are a long way from this but i will pray for you ok
Thanks Mate..... I will appreciate it.
 
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I agree 100 % (you did not expect that did you?)




I even agree with this. But the pharisees asked forgiveness did they not? Did they not have the law? How good did it do for them as for as procuring eternal life?


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How do you answer romans 1 then?

[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, [SUP]19 [/SUP]because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

[SUP]32 [/SUP]who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.



oh. so you believe one can be sinless completely? or did i misunderstand you?

If you do believe this What do you say of 1 john ??


[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Notice. John included himself in that statement.
yes i know about 1 john and i also know that one day maybe i might be as good as an angel maybe ? maybe not, but as i strive not to sin any more i put the away the old and i put on the new that is it OK
 
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Now that you Injuries are cured, and you able to pray for me, which is actually fantastic.

Do not break your head with the Bible, God never Intended Moses law for the Gentiles, but it warned about an apostasy in which the pure doctrine of Grace will be contaminated.
So if you a Judaizant and more if you charging tithing to your fellows and putting it in your pockets, then ....REPENT!

Maybe this is why you hate me so much.
 

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Sorry but i have to say i feel your missing something here.

I am quoting you on this. This is what you said (This is telling us that the old law (the law of Moses) is a law of death) ok so you wrote this after quoting Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
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my response to you now timeline is this now please tell me where it says This is telling us that the old law (the law of Moses) is a law of death

it mentions the law of sin but not the law of death from Moses (Death that will come if you dont follow my comandment, and come to me heavy in laden. and i hope you can see this the law of death as you put it has nothing to do with Moses oh my goodness you need to go and wash your mouth out.

i wanted to come in and wish everyone a Good morning that was my first intention and still is. So Good morning)

what sets you free is when you become heavy in laden with whatever one of the laws of god given to Moses from God
the law of Moses was not the law of Moses it was the law of God. (given to Moses to be passed on to Gods children.

the spirit which gives life and the law that is written on your heart and you will become or sense something when you break one of his laws to which you either come to God who lightens the burden or you don't (its that simple hope you see this God bless


Ezekiel 20:18-26 “I said to their children in the wilderness, ‘Do not walk in the statutes of your fathers or keep their ordinances or defile yourselves with their idols. I am the Lord your God; walk in My statutes and keep My ordinances and observe them. Sanctify My sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’ But the children rebelled against Me; they did not walk in My statutes, nor were they careful to observe My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live; they profaned My sabbaths. So I resolved to pour out My wrath on them, to accomplish My anger against them in the wilderness. But I withdrew My hand and acted for the sake of My name, that it should not be profaned in the sight of the nations in whose sight I had brought them out. Also I swore to them in the wilderness that I would scatter them among the nations and disperse them among the lands, because they had not observed My ordinances, but had rejected My statutes and had profaned My sabbaths, and their eyes were on the idols of their fathers. I also gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not live; and I pronounced them unclean because of their gifts, in that they caused all their firstborn to pass through the fire so that I might make them desolate, in order that they might know that I am the Lord.”’


Romans 7:7-25 Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man. Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

1 Timothy 1:5-11[SUP] [/SUP]But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.
But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderersand immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,[SUP] [/SUP]according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.


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Ezekiel 20:18-26 “I said to their children in the wilderness, ‘Do not walk in the statutes of your fathers or keep their ordinances or defile yourselves with their idols. I am the Lord your God; walk in My statutes and keep My ordinances and observe them. Sanctify My sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’ But the children rebelled against Me; they did not walk in My statutes, nor were they careful to observe My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live; they profaned My sabbaths. So I resolved to pour out My wrath on them, to accomplish My anger against them in the wilderness. But I withdrew My hand and acted for the sake of My name, that it should not be profaned in the sight of the nations in whose sight I had brought them out. Also I swore to them in the wilderness that I would scatter them among the nations and disperse them among the lands, because they had not observed My ordinances, but had rejected My statutes and had profaned My sabbaths, and their eyes were on the idols of their fathers. I also gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not live; and I pronounced them unclean because of their gifts, in that they caused all their firstborn to pass through the fire so that I might make them desolate, in order that they might know that I am the Lord.”’


Romans 7:7-25 Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man. Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead. I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

1 Timothy 1:5-11But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.
But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderersand immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.


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Who you will listen Ezequiel, or Paul of Tarso?
 
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Now that you Injuries are cured, and you able to pray for me, which is actually fantastic.

Do not break your head with the Bible, God never Intended Moses law for the Gentiles, but it warned about an apostasy in which the pure doctrine of Grace will be contaminated.
So if you a Judaizant and more if you charging tithing to your fellows and putting it in your pockets, then ....REPENT!

Maybe this is why you hate me so much.
i think you need many payers my friend because the grace you speak about is also seen in this scripture [SIZE=+2]Paul says in Romans 3:31, “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” A law that is established is certainly not abolished or nailed to the cross.[/SIZE]

and i feel strongly that grace also come from loving your neighbor which we know if you follow that command you no longer sin correct do you see and please feel free to pray for me .

I feel also that grace is a reward to for not sinning and grace is also when one become light in burden yes no i think yes

And when you no longer sin that particular sin you might be sinning you have grace from that sin like when you no longer hate people you have grace from the sin of hate. yers no ?

And we know in here also look here We see in First John 3:4 that sin is breaking any of the Ten Commandments. “Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law
[h=3]1 John 3:4[/h]English Standard Version (ESV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
 
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thanks timeline good scripture i like this and i will read later thank you and after i get an idea pop in to my head and i feel strongly that condemnation of the law comes from the evil one and you are not free of that condemnation until what ever law you are condemned for on the flesh you stop doing it and master it and you beet it spiritually that's how i see it.
 
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I love the LORD, because he hath heard my voice and my supplications. 2Because he hath inclined his ear unto me, therefore will I call upon him as long as I live.
3The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.
4Then called I upon the name of the LORD; O LORD, I beseech thee, deliver my soul.

5Gracious is the LORD, and righteous; yea, our God is merciful.
6The LORD preserveth the simple: I was brought low, and he helped me.
beautiful scripture thankyou verry much bump :)
 

Timeline

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I hope that I hear God, in all scripture and understood through the Holy Spirit.

I had to hurry on that last post, but I want to explain that I do not think that the law of Moses (from God, as we both know) is bad. It was given as a guide so that we would be aware of sin. But without the law of grace, the law of Moses finds us all in sin. And though we do still sin, Jesus covers our sin. The old law was not bad because it gave bad advice, but because it condemns all.

Galatians 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.Galatians 3:23-29 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. [SUP] [/SUP]Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. [SUP] [/SUP]For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.

Galatians 5:21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?
 
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I just don't understand you. There is a change from the physical to the spiritual because the letter killed, that ministration was death - NO ONE has said anything about changing God's words - the rules changed that's all . . . they didn't disappear, they are still there but we are not under bondage to do them. THEY DID NOT WORK THE FIRST TIME . . . JESUS TOOK AND NAILED THEM TO THE CROSS WITH HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE AGAINST US.
I agree that there is a change from the physical to the spiritual, and if I might add, in us who belleive. Where we part company is when people say the “rules” have changed by changing the priesthood to the tribe of Judah. That is not a rule that we have to follow. The Father and the Son predetermined that change before time began. It is also prophesied. When you insinuate that the rules didn’t work so they were nailed to the cross, it sounds as if the rules (being God’s ordinances) were crucified at Calvary. When you say “JESUS TOOK AND NAILED THEM TO THE CROSS WITH HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE AGAINST US” you are clearly pointing to God’s words, instead of the enmity that sin causes (the physical punishment for sin) that Jesus destroyed on the cross. The rules are the laws, which Jesus did NOT come to destroy, are still in effect according to His own words. He came to save us “from our sins that condemn us to death.

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid
The thing is any one responding to this thread is more than likely a born again believer so they would be walking after the Spirit and they are not in the flesh. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Now look at this:

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. . .
Romans 8:2-9 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Rhetorically asking; Is the law of sin God’s law, or a *law in our members that is carnal, and sinful? Henceforth the law of sin and death is NOT God’s law, it’s our law. The first failed because of man’s transgression against the rules. It was meant to be that way, “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,” Galatians 4:4 (KJV) It was always meant to be that way. First things first.

Romans 7:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see another *law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones
Let us add the word “glorious” to this scripture. 2 Corinthians 3:6-8 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

was glorious (past tense) verse 8 (present tense to the believer in Christ)
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Again, as we have talked before, “covenant” is an added word that is NOT in the original manuscript. When the first part of this chapter begins the writer is explaining temple worship. So this phrase relates directly to the “first covenant” with a physical temple made with hands.

Acts 7:48 (KJV)
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Where does the Holy Spirit of God dwell now if not on the mercy seat of the old temple?
Romans 7:5-13 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

The phrase “The law is holy” is present tense.
He dwells within us, because we are the new temple not made with hands.

Acts 17:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

1 Corinthians 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
It seems as though the law only brought death and a remembrance of sin bringing with it condemnation and guilt.
See post #380
 
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yes i know about 1 john and i also know that one day maybe i might be as good as an angel maybe ? maybe not, but as i strive not to sin any more i put the away the old and i put on the new that is it OK
well you will not be as good as an angel until your body is redeemed and your flesh is completely destroyed in the grave.

I strive not to sin any more either. Not by following the law. As I have already shown in two examples now. The law is powerless to do this.
 
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i think you need many payers my friend because the grace you speak about is also seen in this scripture [SIZE=+2]Paul says in Romans 3:31, “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” A law that is established is certainly not abolished or nailed to the cross.[/SIZE]

and i feel strongly that grace also come from loving your neighbor which we know if you follow that command you no longer sin correct do you see and please feel free to pray for me .

I feel also that grace is a reward to for not sinning and grace is also when one become light in burden yes no i think yes

And when you no longer sin that particular sin you might be sinning you have grace from that sin like when you no longer hate people you have grace from the sin of hate. yers no ?

And we know in here also look here We see in First John 3:4 that sin is breaking any of the Ten Commandments. “Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law
1 John 3:4

English Standard Version (ESV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
actually yes it is.

The end result of the law is condemnation. As EVERYONE who does not obey it in its entirety is condemned.

It is established, because it is fulfilled.

The jews did not get this, They tried to live under it, and by it rejected Christ. Who needs a savior when according to your version of the law your a good person not worthy of condemnation.

They did not get what the law was meant for. Neither do the LAWyers.
 
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the Ten Commandments are only just a portion of our responsibility concerning what God has instructed.
When Jesus brings us out from underneath the law, we have the Holy Spirit giving us the capability to see the law in a totally different perspective. Even though our flesh wars against being submissive to the law, with our renewed mind, we have a sincere desire to keep the law of our responsibility in every avenue of our lives. So yes, our responsibility can be seen as physical, but the principles of the law are kept and motivated by the gift of faith.


In summary we desire to keep the law of our responsibility (starting with Exodus chapter 20 through 23) because we are motivated by faith and the indwelling Holy Spirit. So that makes the "Ten Commandments" that are part of the law, our responsibility to keep by the the Holy Spirit of God. That's why I say that the law has to be seen in Spirit, not physical.


What is important about the Sabbath day (whenever it really is) is to cease doing our own works, and do God's works.

Spiritually motivated, by faith is the key. We still have a fleshly body that we constantly need to fight and put into submission to the inner man where the new temple is located.
What you say here seems consistent with what I have heard from some others.
You claim Christians are to do the law, but that it's the Holy Spirit within us that does this through us.

I'm still interested in what you think God will do to those Christians who do not do the Sabbath as you describe?

Here's another example that may help to clarify for me where your coming from.
1Cor 5 tells us to put out anyone within the church who is a fornicator or drunkard, etc. Interestingly it does not mention failing to keep the Sabbath.
How do you think God sees the fornicators, drunkards, etc spoken of in 1Cor 5?
 
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i think you need many payers my friend because the grace you speak about is also seen in this scripture [SIZE=+2]Paul says in Romans 3:31, “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” A law that is established is certainly not abolished or nailed to the cross.[/SIZE]

and i feel strongly that grace also come from loving your neighbor which we know if you follow that command you no longer sin correct do you see and please feel free to pray for me .

I feel also that grace is a reward to for not sinning and grace is also when one become light in burden yes no i think yes

And when you no longer sin that particular sin you might be sinning you have grace from that sin like when you no longer hate people you have grace from the sin of hate. yers no ?

And we know in here also look here We see in First John 3:4 that sin is breaking any of the Ten Commandments. “Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law
1 John 3:4

English Standard Version (ESV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
What you have not have investigated is to whom is Paul talking to: so now see the very next verse to romans 3:31, is romans 4:1

"4 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather"

Just in case you have not pick it "Abraham....our...forefather", is taking to the Jews in Rome.

So this fits perfectly with what I have been telling you:
There is two kind of Christians, the jew who still uphold the law.
and the Gentile who live by grace.
In this verse Paul is talking to the Jews.

All this things happened 2k years ago, so the will of God has been fulfilled, today you rarely see a Jew who is also Christian. so you could conclude that in the last 2k years the Jew Christians have been extinguished or otherwise gentilized stopping the circumcision of their children and losing it Jew identity. The circumcised Jews that did not accepted Jesus are now still following the "Law" and rejecting "Jesus".

Sorry my friend. Best luck for the next try! (I am afraid from your position will be difficult to be fully coherent)
 
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What you say here seems consistent with what I have heard from some others.
You claim Christians are to do the law, but that it's the Holy Spirit within us that does this through us.

I'm still interested in what you think God will do to those Christians who do not do the Sabbath as you describe?

Here's another example that may help to clarify for me where your coming from.
1Cor 5 tells us to put out anyone within the church who is a fornicator or drunkard, etc. Interestingly it does not mention failing to keep the Sabbath.
How do you think God sees the fornicators, drunkards, etc spoken of in 1Cor 5?
I will just quote some of Romans chapter 1, and then say I agree with it.

Romans 1:19-20 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
 
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1Peter 1:13-16, Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15 But as He which has called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.